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#1 Posted on 21.8.02 0855.32
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I read that Poolboy has a petition to save Deadpool.
I heard that Deadpool wasn't being cancelled as much as renamed as Agent X, so they could re-issue a #1 and tie it in the the X-Men. It is a real cheap trick to push the reset button on a comic, but Marvel loves to do it. Does anyone know if Deadpool has gotten any worse. I think it hasn't been good since Joe Kelly left the book at 25. The X-Men hasn't been good since they got Morrison and Casey to write the book.
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#2 Posted on 21.8.02 1554.38
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Rob Liefield owns the copyrights to Deadpool, Cable & X-Force. Marvel smartly wants to save money, so they kept the same characters, but changed the names and relaunched the comics so they don't have to pay Liefield anymore.
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#3 Posted on 21.8.02 1625.55
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How´d he get the rights? Now, keep in mind I stopped following comics in about 1993 (right when I stopped following music too), and the last I heard the big stink was that all the artists left to do their own label, Image, because Marvel kept the right to their characters. So what happened in the last 10 years on this front?
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#4 Posted on 21.8.02 1629.56
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Yeah, I seem to remember something about Lefield leaving because he was upset that he didn't get control of characters like Stryfe and Cable. I stopped reading Marvel comics around the same time, though.
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#5 Posted on 21.8.02 2254.02
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    Originally posted by Freeway420
    Rob Liefield owns the copyrights to Deadpool, Cable & X-Force. Marvel smartly wants to save money, so they kept the same characters, but changed the names and relaunched the comics so they don't have to pay Liefield anymore.


Wrong. Creators didn't own their characters in the time Liefeld created his characters. And Deadpool is being cancelled because of low sales and he's going to move to the Weapon X team book.
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#6 Posted on 22.8.02 0000.56
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    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman

      Originally posted by Freeway420
      Rob Liefield owns the copyrights to Deadpool, Cable & X-Force. Marvel smartly wants to save money, so they kept the same characters, but changed the names and relaunched the comics so they don't have to pay Liefield anymore.


    Wrong. Creators didn't own their characters in the time Liefeld created his characters. And Deadpool is being cancelled because of low sales and he's going to move to the Weapon X team book.



yet another reason i left comics almost 3 years ago...

cancelling books, rotating creative teams, having characters do the 'soap' thing and dying and only to return as a evil twin, and having gimmick books [multi covers, acate covers, hologram covers, issue 1A and 1B and both are limited and you need both to complete the story and both books only are 1/2 full of orgional story...]

grrrrr....deadpool was cool upto the revealing of t-bone's orig...that was around the time i dropped out of comics all together...it felt like my store owner was like a drug dealer....i needed to kick the habit...

2 years and 8 months clean and counting...
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#7 Posted on 22.8.02 0024.28
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Well, in "X-Statix" #1, there's this narration: "We are the X-STATIX. We changed our name from X-Force because legally it wasn't ours, which meant our owner had to kind of lease the name, at some cost." At the end of "Deadpool" #69, it says "Not the end -- join us in two weeks for 'Agent X' #1."

I'm inclined to believe that they changed the names because Liefeld created the titular character(s) and he got a royalty with every issue. Why else would it be just those three books? I mean, "X-Force" was, I think, a pretty popular book, post-#116. I hadn't read it since around the "Onslaught" crossover, but I picked it up and I really dug it. I've got every issue of "Deadpool," but maybe that's just me. I can't speak for "Cable."
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#8 Posted on 22.8.02 0623.18
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The egregious number of things Marvel is doing now are nigh-infinite.

Retitling and renumbering books is a staple of the company.
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#9 Posted on 22.8.02 0852.46
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wow, you guys need to really not quit comics but just start picking up some other books like "Savage Dragon" by Erik Larson... My favorite and a great read every month!

B.t.w. I don't think Liefeld gets any royalties whatsoever for those characters... it's just a way Marvel likes to revamp their books to sell more.
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#10 Posted on 22.8.02 1003.48
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As much as I like to bash Marvel for renumbering books and destroying continuity. I'd also like to bash artists who make it big and get an ego trip into thinking they can draw and write the same book. 9 times out of 10 they really suck.

I don't think Marvel would give Liefeld any royalties on any new issues. Also he has done nothing since he left Marvel 10 years ago.
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#11 Posted on 22.8.02 1041.58
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I have read many an interview with Liefeld and he DOES (or did rather) somehow earn royalties from these characters. He often spoke of declining sales (years ago) and how he was being brought back to breathe some life into the scene. It's kinda murky now. I don't understand all the particulars, but that is why when you saw an issue of Cable or Deadpool, it sometimes said "______, created by Rob Liefeld and Louise Simsonson or whoever."

I think there is some kind of established difference between creator-owned which implies totally creative control (which Marvel does not give any artist or writer) and creative kick-backs. I'm sure Liefled negotiatied this in the boom of the 90s after his success on New Mutants.
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#12 Posted on 22.8.02 1343.20
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For the last few years, DC at least has been good about both sticking in the "created by" credit in books and also creators getting royalties for ancilliary uses of their characters. For example, the people that created Bane (Chuck Dixon or Doug Meonch and the artist) got some small royalty for each Bane action figure sold. And so on.

I wouldn't expect Marvel to do the same, because, well, they're Marvel.
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#13 Posted on 22.8.02 1429.25
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    Originally posted by Teapot
    Well, in "X-Statix" #1, there's this narration: "We are the X-STATIX. We changed our name from X-Force because legally it wasn't ours, which meant our owner had to kind of lease the name, at some cost." At the end of "Deadpool" #69, it says "Not the end -- join us in two weeks for 'Agent X' #1."

    I'm inclined to believe that they changed the names because Liefeld created the titular character(s) and he got a royalty with every issue. Why else would it be just those three books? I mean, "X-Force" was, I think, a pretty popular book, post-#116. I hadn't read it since around the "Onslaught" crossover, but I picked it up and I really dug it. I've got every issue of "Deadpool," but maybe that's just me. I can't speak for "Cable."



That is correct. One would be led to believe that Stan Lee gets a hefty sum for every X-Men, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Avengers and Spider-Man comic...but that is not true. Liefield was fairly smart in grabbing the rights to his characters. He was pissed when he left Marvel for Image and tried to sue for control, but the judge ruled that Liefield was a dumbass and having control of the copyrights doesn't entitle him to the characters, just their names. So, Marvel paid out moolah to him for a bit, then got fed up and decided to stop.

EDIT: And DC is owned by AOL Time Warner, so they can afford to give money out. Marvel, I believe, gives "Created by..." credits and small sums of cash, but not as much as AOL Comics.

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#14 Posted on 23.8.02 0018.36
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Whether Liefield owns the rights to them, gets royalties for their names, or anything of the sort... I am still of the firm opinion that he should be slapped, repeatedly and hard, for ruining the New Mutants and creating some of the most god-awful characters that ever stunk up the Marvel Universe.

The horrifically lame Cable (and his Evil Clone Twin From An Alternate Reality In The Future, Stryfe).
X-Treme, The Other Other Summers Brother (Or Is He DUN DUN DUN.)
The Mutant Liberation Force.
Petey the Skank..er, Domino, and her Gang Of Cable's Ex-Buddies.
The Yet-Another-Evil-Shapeshifter Lady Who Pretended To Be Domino. (She's like Mystique... except with WHITE skin!)
The X-Ternals (Highlander meets the X-Men, how much can it suck? Give it to Rob and find out!)
Shatterstar.
Feral.

It goes on and on, and that doesn't even touch his god-awful retreads of existing characters. He took James Proudstar, a normal-looking man with super-strength, and turned him into the freakin' Incredible Hulk in warpaint so he could draw another circus freak with giant shoulders and tiny legs, for cryin' out loud!

The only character he "created" (before and after he left Marvel) that was worth even a second look was Deadpool, and there wasn't even a single original aspect to him. Spider-Man's trash-talking, Wolverine's healing factor (and most of his origin, to boot!), and Cable's "big gun anti-hero" schtick.

Hell, he and the creatively bankrupt morons who tried to emulate his style are one of the main reasons I quit collecting comics. When Marvel did their reboots of Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, and Fantastic Four and gave them to him and his Image cronies to ruin, there was no turning back.
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#15 Posted on 23.8.02 0239.32
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    Originally posted by acrid 2.0
    wow, you guys need to really not quit comics but just start picking up some other books like "Savage Dragon" by Erik Larson... My favorite and a great read every month!

    B.t.w. I don't think Liefeld gets any royalties whatsoever for those characters... it's just a way Marvel likes to revamp their books to sell more.



he's STILL trying to do SD on a regular basis...i thought the dragon would go the way of P.I.T.T.

Skorpio17 said:
Also he has done nothing since he left Marvel 10 years ago.

wrong...he has come back and done special covers and did the Post Age of Apoc Capt. America with the Nazi Eagle on the head...

(edited by rikidozan on 23.8.02 0341)
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