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#1 Posted on 9.8.02 0923.41
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Do you remember any moments which killed your supsension of disbelief during a wrestling match?

Mine has and always will be a match with Vader and Mark Mero.

Mark was suppose to dive from the top rope and hit a Super Sunsetflip on Vader. The only problem is, Mark overshot the Vader and was unable to hold onto him. Vader, not wanting to kill the finish spot, walked backwards towards Mark, until Mark could finish the spot.

To this day, me and my brother mock this spot.

Anyone else?

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#2 Posted on 9.8.02 0944.56
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The first such incident I can remember was back in the early days of Raw. The Headshrinkers were wrestling the Smoking Gunns, who were faces. Fatu ran toward Bart Gunn but Bart moved. Fatu's head went between the top and middle ropes and he flipped over the top rope and hanged himself outside the ring with his neck trapped between the twisted ropes.
Fatu was in obvious agony and Earl Hebner and Bart helped bring him back into the ring. When they made sure he was okay, Bart went back to stomping him in the head.
It was kind of like the recent incident where Bubba Ray ran outside the ring and started checking on Kevin Nash when Nash hurt his quad, only much more dramatic and a much worse break in kayfabe.
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#3 Posted on 9.8.02 1003.51
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forget the exact royal rumble it was, but the camera cut to el matador, he throws a forearm that in plain view misses the guy he was to be hitting by several miles. the guy sells of course like he'd been shot, resulting in complete death
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#4 Posted on 9.8.02 1024.03
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That Gawd-Awful match between TE Jackie and Trish...

I still shudder when I think of that match...
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#5 Posted on 9.8.02 1027.09
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I think it was Wrestlemania X-7, the match...Test vs Eddie Guerrero. Since I don't have the tape in front of me, I'm doing this from memory and I think this was set up by a missed watsitolla boot. Anyway, Test's foot got tangled in the ropes as he, if I remember correctly, flipped to the outside, but his foot was still trapped. Eddie tried to save the moment by going to the outside to start working Test over, and he himself slipped off the apron, but managed to kind of make it look like an axe handle. By this point Test is laughing as the ref is trying to loosen him. Finally Eddie pretty much breaks character and helps the ref get Test loose. My friends and I always joke that Test was originally supposed to win that match, but after that happened, Vince informed the ref via some signal that now Eddie will go over.
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#6 Posted on 9.8.02 1030.52
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    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    It was kind of like the recent incident where Bubba Ray ran outside the ring and started checking on Kevin Nash when Nash hurt his quad, only much more dramatic and a much worse break in kayfabe.


this one wasn't that bad. He at least made it look like he was working over Nash.
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#7 Posted on 9.8.02 1030.57
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    Originally posted by ThreepMe
    That Gawd-Awful match between TE Jackie and Trish...

    I still shudder when I think of that match...



This was the first one that popped into my head. Trish flying over Jackie Gayda, whose three second delay in selling made it one of the more comedic in ring moments of all time.
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#8 Posted on 9.8.02 1110.34
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Speaking of women's matches, I'd also add anytime Lita does her moonsault, over jumps, and lands 3 to 5 feet away from her opponent. She scurries back to cover them and STILL gets the 1-2-3.

Other than that, I realize that these matches and the wins/losses are planned. So, 'suspension on belief' is just caused by sloppy ring work, most of the time.
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#9 Posted on 9.8.02 1303.27
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I remember once on WWF TV, it was on RAW I think, Jericho and X-pac having another one of their *RIVETING* matches. Anway, Jericho does the springboard dropkick and misses X-pac by about a mile. X-pac still sells the move and flies from the apron to the barrier. It just looked really bad. Another occassion was about a year ago. Lance Storm did a BIG dropkick on Christian except it didn't connect with Christian at all. Christian fell down anyway. So we can only assume the power of Storm's dropkick was able to thrust the air in Christian's direction and was strong enough to knock him down.
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#10 Posted on 9.8.02 1445.13
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I was watching Bash at the Beach 96 last night. One of the matches was Steve McMichael vs. Joe Gomez (who I'd never heard of before, incidentally). Near the end Gomez dove over Mongo and grabbed him for a sunset flip -- but Mongo failed to fall back for the flip properly, just squatting down and wobbling. After a few seconds of confusion, Gomez managed to steer Mongo into the right position for the near-fall. It was blatantly obvious that Mongo had no idea what he was doing, and I hope Gomez got a bonus for saving his ass.

I also recently watched In Your House: Beware of Dog -- I picked up a bunch of '95 and '96 tapes at a used video store a few days ago -- and saw that infamous British Bulldog/HBK match where Shawn gets pissed at having the match cut short and starts no-selling a sleeper while he argues with Hebner. Of course, that's a deliberate break of suspension of disbelief rather than an accidental fuckup.
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#11 Posted on 9.8.02 1454.16
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there are so many moments in matches where i just go "this is so unbelievable" about the stupidity of some of the guys, or the blown spots. but this comes from watching with non-fans who criticise everything that happens in some way. there are some moments (during cage and ladder matches) where one minute, the guy will fly up the ladder or cage to stop the other guy from getting the victory, and then 10 seconds later, they will take 5 minutes to climb three rungs. stuff like that adds suspense, but i also scoff at the stupidity of the matter.

the jackie gayda saga was a definate moment that made me sit back and go "what the fuck was that supposed to be?!" and totally turned me off of the tough enough trainees, probably for life. oh well, i still got maven and nowinski.

if anybody watches indy wrestling, there has got to be tons and tons of those moments during matches where somebody fucks up and the other one looks either confused, or sells a move that blantantly missed. i just recently started watching roh, ecwa, and japw, and in the few matches i've seen, there have been countless messups and things that ruin the atmosphere of the match for me.

*jer.
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#12 Posted on 9.8.02 1504.47
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Regarding suspension of disbelief, three words:

David. Arquette. Excrement.
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#13 Posted on 9.8.02 1523.28
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I hate absolute no-selling of otherwise devastating moves, like the Piledriver. At Survivor Series 97, and Summerslam 2000, Hawk/Animal and Tazz were totally no-selling piledrivers by D'Lo Brown and Jerry Lawler, this killed everything in these matches! I found myself watching and saying "yeah, like this is supposed to hurt when a piledriver didn't do any harm!"

Another thing coming to mind was a Jeff vs. Matt Hardy encounter (Royal Rumble 2001?), where Jeff attempted a dropkick to the back of Matt, completely missing him, but then Matt turned around, saw the dropkick movement of Jeff and sold that move with a three second delay!!!
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#14 Posted on 9.8.02 1641.41
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When stone cold beat the Big Show clean before some wrestlemania...I belive it was the RAW before X-Five...Or as we called it those days...fifteen.

I just couldn't buy a broken-necked drunken hick with no inklings of a legitmate background in anything beating a monster of a man (with, admittedly...no inklings of a legitimate background in anything). I know, Show's not the best athlete on earth, but there's no way he couldn't snap Austin like a twig.

I was always more convinced when Bret Hart beat a much bigger man. He would do it logically. He wasn't so arrogant that he'd do it by 'beating him up' like face Austin insisted on doing...He'd chop them down. Work the legs. So, so much more believable.
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#15 Posted on 9.8.02 1722.44
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I remember in a match of Shotgun Saturday Night a few years ago when the Hardyz still wore the ugly neon green plaid tights.Jeff goes for a springboard to the outside,gets his feet on the ropes,his left foot slips off and he just falls to the floor.


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#16 Posted on 9.8.02 1724.20
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One moment that made me shudder, and laugh, and then feel pretty bad was back in 2000, I think, on an ECW on TNN broadcast wher Tony Mamaluke COMPLETELY blew a high risk move to the outside of the ring against Mikey Whipwreck.
The way Mamaluke hit the guard rail was SICKENING! And to boot, the way Joey Stiles and Joel Gertner called it was hilarious. Joey screatms, "HOLY SH!T!" And Gertner replies, "What the HELL?! You can't say SH!T on national TV! What the F@CK are you thinking?!" (of course the expletives were bleeped out.)

That moment there was just bad bad bad. And in a warped way, pretty damn entertaining.
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#17 Posted on 9.8.02 1827.51
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I remember in the last year of Nitro, the Magnificent Seven were doing a beat-down on DDP. Animal picks DDP up for a powerbomb, and DDP was supposed to escape. Except, instead of landing on his feet, he falls flat on his back, making it look like Animal had actually powerbombed him. He then got right back up on started fighting everyone off. Meanwhile, Schiavone's trying to sell it like DDP had faked out the entire Magnificent Seven. (Untintentionally)Hilarious stuff.
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#18 Posted on 9.8.02 1948.37
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I have always hated the spot in cage matches when one wrestler is almost all the way over the side of the cage, just holding on with his arms, and the other competitor pulls him back in by the hair.
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#19 Posted on 9.8.02 2029.57
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Blown spots in general work to that effect. Something else incredibly dumb is seeing Benoit, or anyone else who does it, use rolling German suplexes for a near-fall and then try to get as much reaction out of a single German later in the match.
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#20 Posted on 10.8.02 1232.07
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I've always hated when someone has to get into position for a top rope move. At KOTR 2002, Jericho landed near the ropes, but someone crawled to the center of the ring, just so RVD could hit the five-star. looked pretty damn stupid.
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