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#1 Posted on 5.8.02 1641.35
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Hey all!

I was bored today, and so I went rummaging throughout the internet to get 2001-02 Salary Figures for various sports stars. The highest paid player, as in my understanding, is listed, along with the games played inherent for that player to earn that salary. This is how many games they are EXPECTED to play, not how many they actually did.

NHL: Peter Forsberg; $11 million; 82 games; $134,000/game
NBA: Kevin Garnett; $22.4 million; 82 games; $273,000/game
MLB: Kevin Brown; $15 million; 34* games; $468,000/game
NFL: Mark Brunell; $8.8 million; 16 games; $550,000/game

*-The 34 games is gotten by dividing 162 game Major League Season by 5, the average number of starting pitchers in a rotation.

Statistically, NFL players are the MOST overpaid, but when you consider that NBA players run back & forth for 82 games and baseball players STAND THERE and get paid that much, it's mind-boggling. Perhaps THAT is why baseball is in such bad shape. Or maybe it's just that they had no foresight when the set the entire salary system up. We need salary caps. Badly.
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#2 Posted on 6.8.02 1140.27
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Mike Hampton makes something between 10 - 15 million a season for an ERA of about 7.00.

He's the hands down winner.
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#3 Posted on 6.8.02 1221.46
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Frank Thomas is making about 9 million this year, and hovering around .240 for his batting average. And Kevin Brown, with his lofty salary, has been on the DL most of this year. Those two, along with Hampton are probably the most overpaid in baseball.

I don't think it's fair to say that baseball players just stand around. There's a lot more to it than that, although your comparison seems like it's just based on conditioning. But I will agreee that baseball needs a salary cap. And a luxury tax.

The NFL is probably the best-run league out there, but even they have a few salary cap problems. The Ravens were forced to cut about half of their team, a team that won the Super Bowl two years ago, because of the cap. But it is nice to see that pretty much any team in the league has a chance at the title now (See Rams, Ravens, Patriots).
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#4 Posted on 6.8.02 1252.03
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    Originally posted by cfgb
    Mike Hampton makes something between 10 - 15 million a season for an ERA of about 7.00.

    He's the hands down winner.



We have a winner. It gets better since he is signed through 2008 and a buyout in 2009. The contract amounts starting in 2002 are:

$8.5 M
11.0 M
12.0 M
12.5 M
13.5 M
14.5 M
15.5 M
and in 2009 - $20M or a $6Million buyout.

There is at minimum $85 million on his contract. Plus there is a $20 million signing bonus deferred until the end of the contract in 2009 for a grand total of $127 million or only $113 if they buy him out.

Yes, we have a winner.
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#5 Posted on 6.8.02 1308.50
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I'm going to have to say Jason Kendall 6yrs 60 million.

He's hitting about .280 with i think 3 hrs and about 35 RBI.

To put this in perspective, Brian Giles was signed for 5yrs 45 million. He is hitting .300 even though he sees NOTHING to hit, he's got 29 homers, and he's got about 70 RBI. What's more, he's third or second in the majors in OPS. It's pathetic really.

Kendall and Hampton...that would be a helluva battery!
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#6 Posted on 6.8.02 1318.53
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Well, I legitimize sports when somebody's been killed playing them: football & hockey are givens. I don't see how somebody can be killed by standing in the outfield... I mean, in hockey & football, everybody on the field/ice at any time is moving and doing something to help their team win. Same with basketball. In baseball, the guys stand around until the ball comes to them. And they make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in contracts. Heck, I'm glad that hockey's salaries aren't as out-of-control as baseball's...yet.
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#7 Posted on 6.8.02 1515.50
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    Originally posted by Freeway420
    Heck, I'm glad that hockey's salaries aren't as out-of-control as baseball's...yet.


Are you kidding? Hockey salaries are the most out of control of any sport because Hockey doesnt make nearly as much as the other sports from TV. Ratings for NHL games were lower than the XFL's. The NHL is barreling for a huge financial meltdown once the networks follow NBC's lead and tells the leagues to go fuck themselves with their astronomical rights fees.
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#8 Posted on 7.8.02 0119.04
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    Originally posted by Freeway420
    Well, I legitimize sports when somebody's been killed playing them: football & hockey are givens. I don't see how somebody can be killed by standing in the outfield...

Quite a morbid way of choosing how to confer legitimacy, but I would point out the only death in professional football was due to a heart attack (Chuck Hughes of the Detroit Lions in 1971 IIRC), whereas Ray Chapman of the Cleveland Indians was killed by a pitch from New York Yankees pitcher Carl Mays on August 16, 1920. If you don't think a hard ball coming 100 MPH at you can be dangerous, you are just wrong.
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#9 Posted on 7.8.02 0613.31
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Albert Belle hasn't played for two years and still makes $13 million a season. That pretty much trumps most everybody else...
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#10 Posted on 7.8.02 1057.00
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    Originally posted by The Big Kat
    The NFL is probably the best-run league out there, but even they have a few salary cap problems. The Ravens were forced to cut about half of their team, a team that won the Super Bowl two years ago, because of the cap. But it is nice to see that pretty much any team in the league has a chance at the title now (See Rams, Ravens, Patriots).


The only thing about this is the fact that the reason the Ravens had to cut their whole team was that they offered them all huge contracts with huge signing bonuses. Those signing bonuses are pro-rated over all the years of their contract against the cap. They knew when they signed those players that most would need to be cut to make room for a whole roster. They ducked the salary cap one year and now are forced to pay the price of sucking for another few. (and believe me, when the Ravens suck, I'm happy).
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#11 Posted on 7.8.02 1218.37
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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Albert Belle hasn't played for two years and still makes $13 million a season. That pretty much trumps most everybody else...


Nope. I am sticking with Hampton. He kills you every time he pitches, while Belle at least does nothing to hurt your chances while he's adjusting his Barco-Lounger.

(edited by pieman on 7.8.02 1318)
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#12 Posted on 7.8.02 1242.21
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    Originally posted by pieman
    Nope. I am sticking with Hampton. He kills you every time he pitches, while Belle at least does nothing to hurt your chances while he's adjusting his Barco-Lounger.

    (edited by pieman on 7.8.02 1318)



Granted, but Belle kills off a space on the 40-man roster for somebody competent every winter because we have to activate him off of the 60-day DL to keep the insurance money...
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#13 Posted on 7.8.02 1545.01
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Belle's still getting paid now? Wow, I probably should be surprised, only that he's getting a paycheck from Mr. Angelos, so basically anything that he does at this point shouldn't be a big shock.

In terms of payment for lack of production, I'd probably have to give the nod to Hampton... although I'm wondering where exactly he came across the problem in the first place - he wasn't bad New York, so what made him start sucking royally? Aside from the fact he's a sinker pitcher, and those don't get on too well up in the thin air. Kendall doesn't strike me as entirely useless - I think he's just having an off year myself; if I remember correctly, he still has a bit of time to correct himself.

In terms of payment for sitting around on your ass and playing when you feel like it, Kevin Brown takes it, hands down. It's gotten to the point where I don't even have to worry about possibly taking Perez off my roster when Brown comes back (there was a rumor to the effect that Perez is gone when Brown's back), because I don't think that Brown's going to last for more than two weeks before he goes down. I don't include Belle in this because he's obviously not playing (on the O's) when he feels like it, having retired and all. Not to mention I'm not too familiar with the O's farm system, so I have no clue whose place he's taking on the 40-man roster.
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#14 Posted on 8.8.02 0838.15
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Remember, Bobby Bonilla is still getting paid by the Mets.

Kevin Appier, 4 yrs 42 mil.....OY!
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#15 Posted on 9.8.02 1044.02
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In baseball, the most overpaid goes to Manny "I bruised my finger so I won't hustle' Ramirez. Remember, football contracts make the players look like they are overpaid, but most of the money is not guaranteed, so they usually don't see anything on the backloaded portion of the contract
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#16 Posted on 11.8.02 1632.02
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How is Bobby Bonilla getting paid by the Mets still? He played for the Redbirds after the mets.... i thought when he left as a free agent from the Mets (dear god i dont think we traded for him) they didn't owe him any money.
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#17 Posted on 11.8.02 2134.17
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One thing about the overpaid tip as it comes to pitchers.

The only person in a game, at any time, who has the game in his hands every time he appears is the pitcher. He's got to touch the ball each and every time anyone comes up to face him and take any pitch. I think if someone broke this down by # of pitches seen/thrown and # of defensive opportunities during each game, the average starting pitcher is doing more in his 1 day every 5th day than the hitters do in their 3 or 4 times up every day.

Example: Pedro Martinez is averaging 102.1 pitches per start. Over his 24 starts, that's 2450 pitch chances, and we can tack on his 32 chances as a fielder to come to 2482 total chances to change the outcome of the game. However, the fielding stuff *could* be ignored because he's already handled the ball one time when he threw it. But, if fielders can get 2 errors on one play, then I guess Pedro's fielding chances should count, too.

As an example hitter, Ichiro Suzuki has seen 1887 pitches in all his plate appearances. He's had 246 chances as a fielder, so his total comes to only 2133 total chances to change the game's outcome, despite playing 4x as many games. Looking at it from that perspective, pitchers don't seem too overpaid. However, Hampton is a big bag of suck these days. Whoever voted for Unit as Cy Young that year was a wiser man than I, as I had Hampton winning.

Then again, the same people voted for Mark Davis in '89.
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#18 Posted on 12.8.02 1054.51
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    Originally posted by SerWolfe
    How is Bobby Bonilla getting paid by the Mets still? He played for the Redbirds after the mets.... i thought when he left as a free agent from the Mets (dear god i dont think we traded for him) they didn't owe him any money.


As far as I remember, the only way that the Mutts could dump Bobby Bo was to shell out a million per over about 15-20 years, starting in 2005? I don't remember the specifics, but that was the general idea.
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#19 Posted on 12.8.02 1504.35
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    Originally posted by Jubuki
    One thing about the overpaid tip as it comes to pitchers.

    The only person in a game, at any time, who has the game in his hands every time he appears is the pitcher. He's got to touch the ball each and every time anyone comes up to face him and take any pitch. I think if someone broke this down by # of pitches seen/thrown and # of defensive opportunities during each game, the average starting pitcher is doing more in his 1 day every 5th day than the hitters do in their 3 or 4 times up every day.

    Example: Pedro Martinez is averaging 102.1 pitches per start. Over his 24 starts, that's 2450 pitch chances, and we can tack on his 32 chances as a fielder to come to 2482 total chances to change the outcome of the game. However, the fielding stuff *could* be ignored because he's already handled the ball one time when he threw it. But, if fielders can get 2 errors on one play, then I guess Pedro's fielding chances should count, too.



What about a Catcher?
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#20 Posted on 12.8.02 1926.32
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Catchers are pretty drastically underrated in that respect - they're there for every freaking thing that goes on. My main point was just to dispel the singling-out of pitchers, as the thread-starter had brought up Kevin Brown's 34 starts as a point of comparison next to the other athletes. But yes, catchers are the one position player who gets the best (or worst, money-wise) of both worlds for the argument I was making.
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