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#21 Posted on 24.5.13 0008.19
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It's amazing how many people can just be deliberately obtuse about this entire situation/situations.

Begazhi isn't about who rewrote talking points. It's about how the administration (reportedly) told people who COULD help those under attack to stand down, or lose their command (military officers).
A US consulate is under attack, requesting help numerous times, and is basically left to fend for themselves with Marines who weren't allowed to have loaded weapons.
It's the administration's responsibility to protect it's citizens, no matter if they volunteered for the assignment or not. Being in a hostile zone doesn't mean you get left twisting in the wind.

It's also about the administration, knowingly putting out false information regarding the situation.



The IRS situation is this, the President had the head of the IRS target organizations and people who could harm him politically. If you don't think that's offensive, I don't know what to tell you. This whole "it was low level people at one office" line is about as believable as "Ambassador Stevens was killed after a spontaneous protest over a youtube video got out of hand".
27 months and not a single Tea Party group was given tax exempt status? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/14/irs-tea-party-progressive-groups/2158831/
And, it's merely coincidence the person in charge of that division has a history of targeting Christian groups for harassment?
http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/fw/9609/fec.html
And, lets not forget, this is the same federal government that sends Dept of Homeland Security officers, ICE officers, and helicopters to intimidate Tea Party Protesters, because of all the riots that break out at Tea Party protests.

Any time a government entity has the ability to arbitrarily freeze an individual or a group's assets, with little to no oversight, it's bad enough. When they're being directed to do it to targeted groups, it's criminal.
Oh, and then there's this, which to me is a bigger concern regarding the IRS.
http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/irs-face-lawsuit-over-theft-60-million-patient-health-records
And that line about "there's no language in the health care law that allows the IRS to enforce the law or collect fines" doesn't seem to Kosher right now, does it?

The IRS is out of control.

As for the AP scandal, when your government spies on reporters, it inhibits a free press. It's amazing how many leaks this administration has had since coming into office, yet somehow it's now a "national security" issue to listen to reporter's phone conversations? How about investigating the people in the departments that are leaking information?






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#22 Posted on 24.5.13 0131.21
Reposted on: 24.5.20 0131.35
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    It's amazing how many people can just be deliberately obtuse about this entire situation/situations.

    Begazhi isn't about who rewrote talking points. It's about how the administration (reportedly) told people who COULD help those under attack to stand down, or lose their command (military officers).


By "reportedly" you mean "in the imaginations of people who hate the President." THAT NEVER HAPPENED.


    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    The IRS situation is this, the President had the head of the IRS target organizations and people who could harm him politically.


No, he didn't. Or, at least, there is no evidence whatsoever that he did.


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#23 Posted on 24.5.13 0527.56
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    this is the same federal government that sends Dept of Homeland Security officers, ICE officers, and helicopters to intimidate Tea Party Protesters



Are these the black helicopters the Clintons used to kill Vince Foster?
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#24 Posted on 24.5.13 0729.00
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Not sure their color. They were buzzing over the protesters this week in Los Angeles.



Edit: and while yes, I absolutely abhor Obama, this obvious pattern of abuses of power would be just as offensive to me if anybody else was in the White House. Our Constitution is being crapped on, nearly daily, and people are apathetic about it.

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#25 Posted on 24.5.13 2325.49
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When Harry Reid won't let any legislation even come to a vote on the floor of the Senate, how are they supposed to do anything substantial?
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#26 Posted on 26.5.13 2121.34
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee


    When Harry Reid won't let any legislation even come to a vote on the floor of the Senate, how are they supposed to do anything substantial?
Win the Senate and the Presidency?
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#27 Posted on 26.5.13 2126.37
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    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by StaggerLee


      When Harry Reid won't let any legislation even come to a vote on the floor of the Senate, how are they supposed to do anything substantial?
    Win the Senate and the Presidency?


Good luck with that. If it weren't for Gerrymandering prior to the election, the GOP wouldn't even have Congress. All of these are little or nothing compared to the past administration and now, we are finding out Fox News knew about the investigation and didn't seem to care. Also, leaking confidential information is illegal especially when it comes to national security. We are not talking about some whistle blower or anything like that.
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