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#41 Posted on 11.9.12 1319.57
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
    a 62-year-old man with a heart weakened from years of steroid use


Normally this is the last thing you'd ever say in a wrestling thread with a straight face, but Jerry Lawler didn't take steroids. He used to do anti-steroid promos against WWF when he was in Memphis. His reputation in wrestling is no steroids, no drinking, no drugs, which as with anything in wrestling could be not completely true, but since drinking is a badge of honor in wrestling, it's not really something you'd lie to impress people with.

    Originally posted by Mr Heel II
    I'm fine with them not stopping the show now. Not sure if I'd feel differently if Lawler had passed away in the building.


Same, although to me it's not so much about taste as it is that it's not especially safe to send people out to wrestle when they're that freshly distracted by something so grave.
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#42 Posted on 11.9.12 1406.45
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Tenken347
      a 62-year-old man with a heart weakened from years of steroid use


    Normally this is the last thing you'd ever say in a wrestling thread with a straight face, but Jerry Lawler didn't take steroids. He used to do anti-steroid promos against WWF when he was in Memphis. His reputation in wrestling is no steroids, no drinking, no drugs, which as with anything in wrestling could be not completely true, but since drinking is a badge of honor in wrestling, it's not really something you'd lie to impress people with.


I've watched a ton of shoot interviews over the years and even the most open of subjects confirmed the stories about Lawler completely clean. Even guys who don't particularly like him and could have taken the opportunity to expose him if they wanted to confirmed he was tea-total.
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#43 Posted on 11.9.12 1507.19
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    Originally posted by CTX
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        Originally posted by Tenken347
        a 62-year-old man with a heart weakened from years of steroid use


      Normally this is the last thing you'd ever say in a wrestling thread with a straight face, but Jerry Lawler didn't take steroids. He used to do anti-steroid promos against WWF when he was in Memphis. His reputation in wrestling is no steroids, no drinking, no drugs, which as with anything in wrestling could be not completely true, but since drinking is a badge of honor in wrestling, it's not really something you'd lie to impress people with.


    I've watched a ton of shoot interviews over the years and even the most open of subjects confirmed the stories about Lawler completely clean. Even guys who don't particularly like him and could have taken the opportunity to expose him if they wanted to confirmed he was tea-total.


Well, color me surprised. I retract my previous statement, and am shocked to learn that there is anybody who didn't use steroids, especially as it wasn't illegal to use them when Jerry started out. Still, good on him. A weakened heart probably would have killed him if the attack is as bad as reports are saying.
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#44 Posted on 11.9.12 1745.48
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The argument could be made that Lawler's other vice(s) made up for his not drinking or PED use.

Get Well Soon...
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#45 Posted on 11.9.12 1748.43
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I would be surprised if a production team as meticulous as WWE's doesn't have a "break glass in case of emergency" contingency.


especially after the [name redacted] RAW.

Also, I think the on-air heart attack by a show's performer would be a justifiable reason to stop a live TV show. If Tina Fey had a heart attack on SNL while doing a Sarah Palin sketch, I think they would stop the show.
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#46 Posted on 11.9.12 1753.06
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    Originally posted by Tenken347

    Well, color me surprised. I retract my previous statement, and am shocked to learn that there is anybody who didn't use steroids, especially as it wasn't illegal to use them when Jerry started out. Still, good on him. A weakened heart probably would have killed him if the attack is as bad as reports are saying.


You HAVE seen his physique, right? It wasn't built by years of steroids, by all accounts (and from his book) his only vice is Coca-Cola and Twinkies.

WWE shouldn't have stopped the show, any more than if a wrestler was injured live, you cart them out, and move on.

The fact that he received immediate attention is what saved his life, as those first few minutes after his heart stopped is the most crucial. And, from having blocked arteries, it also wasn't the physical exertion that wrestling put on him that caused this. These kind of cardiac arrests are the ones that kill people in their sleep.

(edited by StaggerLee on 11.9.12 1804)
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#47 Posted on 11.9.12 1835.25
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    WWE shouldn't have stopped the show, any more than if a wrestler was injured live, you cart them out, and move on.


Why even cart them out? Just put a sheet over them.
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#48 Posted on 11.9.12 1917.26
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I suspect that Jerry Lawler would be personally insulted at the idea of stopping a show even if he had died in the ring. You can debate morality all you want, but things are done the way things are done and when they stop being done that way, it won't be the same thing anymore.
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#49 Posted on 11.9.12 1950.06
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    Originally posted by CTX
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        Originally posted by Tenken347
        a 62-year-old man with a heart weakened from years of steroid use


      Normally this is the last thing you'd ever say in a wrestling thread with a straight face, but Jerry Lawler didn't take steroids. He used to do anti-steroid promos against WWF when he was in Memphis. His reputation in wrestling is no steroids, no drinking, no drugs, which as with anything in wrestling could be not completely true, but since drinking is a badge of honor in wrestling, it's not really something you'd lie to impress people with.


    I've watched a ton of shoot interviews over the years and even the most open of subjects confirmed the stories about Lawler completely clean. Even guys who don't particularly like him and could have taken the opportunity to expose him if they wanted to confirmed he was tea-total.


Maybe that is why Punk feuded with him. Jerry was the first ever Straight Edge Superstar.

Get well Jerry.
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#50 Posted on 11.9.12 2049.53
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    Originally posted by InVerse
    I suspect that Jerry Lawler would be personally insulted at the idea of stopping a show even if he had died in the ring. You can debate morality all you want, but things are done the way things are done and when they stop being done that way, it won't be the same thing anymore.


It's show biz. The show must go on. Not to be all reiterate-ey.

I've been doing theatre for a few years now off and on, and all manner of oddities have occured, though thankfully none as drastic as a heart attack or death of a performer. We have had actors drunk, actors evacuate in their pants, actors break their hands punching a wall having a conniption, and even one show a cast member quit and disappeared right before the 4th act. We trucked on, had to finish the show, because frankly, the audience doesn't actually know anything is wrong unless we let them know and even if something went wrong they'd demand their money back. Granted, everyone knew something was up with Lawler going backstage, and the only reason it was explained to us, the viewers and audience, was because they didn't want this muddled with the Punk angle. However, they could not just tell a full arena to go home early because Lawler wouldn't be with them; not to be cold they had other performers to send out to entertain the people, which they did, and needed to, else you'd have at least 3,000 people lined up and pissed they didn't get their 3 hours of entertainment, their chance to buy a foam dongle to put on their hands, their money's worth.

Jerry Lawler has been in the business longer than most anybody else still active on TV, both TNA and WWE combined, and has always been the consummate showman; never broken Kayfabe, kept trucking through Owen Hart's death, through the Benoit fiasco, never mouthed off in public with their disdain for what was happening around him. He would definitely be very upset if they stopped the show on account of him, because as any performer in any type of show can and should tell you, the show is bigger than you because your friends and colleagues are counting on you to make money, not lose it. The Office is still around without Carrell, Two and a Half Men without Sheen, and they've remade both Judge Dredd and Total Recall without Stallone or Schwarzenegger. Raw is still on without Austin, Rock, or Jim Ross, and people are still watching.

Again, thoughts and prayers are with Lawler, and I feel the classiest thing the WWE could've done they did by not having announcing the rest of the show.

(edited by Lexus on 11.9.12 2152)
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#51 Posted on 11.9.12 2103.40
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My son and I dealt with the awkwardness of having no announcers by saying what King and Cole would have been saying--"Here's a look at beautiful downtown Montreal" "Oui, oui".....

I was so relieved that my 12 year old avoided having his own "Owen Hart moment". This was quite similar though.

The Sheamus/Otunga skit just didn't live up to Kane/Bryan. I did laugh at "If the Lipshitz, what does the arse do?"

If you're going to get Punk heel heat, in Canada vs. Bret is a good way to go.

Though he still smirks, I'm liking the more serious Cena we've been seeing.

EDIT--Oops-- guess this turned into a general RAW post.


(edited by dwaters on 11.9.12 1909)
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#52 Posted on 11.9.12 2109.23
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If you freeze frame it, it looks like Michael Cole is out of his chair and on the other side of the announce table kneeling down trying to help Jerry.

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#53 Posted on 12.9.12 0910.03
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    Originally posted by Lexus

    Jerry Lawler has been in the business longer than most anybody else still active on TV, both TNA and WWE combined, and has always been the consummate showman; never broken Kayfabe, kept trucking through Owen Hart's death, through the Benoit fiasco, never mouthed off in public with their disdain for what was happening around him. He would definitely be very upset if they stopped the show on account of him, because as any performer in any type of show can and should tell you, the show is bigger than you because your friends and colleagues are counting on you to make money, not lose it. The Office is still around without Carrell, Two and a Half Men without Sheen, and they've remade both Judge Dredd and Total Recall without Stallone or Schwarzenegger. Raw is still on without Austin, Rock, or Jim Ross, and people are still watching.

    (edited by Lexus on 11.9.12 2152)


I'm not saying they should have stopped the show from what happened. But had Lawler died, yea I think they should have. There would have been no riot. I doubt that many people would even be wanting their money back, and if some did, so what? This company does shows for 1/4 full buildings all the time, what's really the problem with giving back a couple hundred tickets? They're not barely getting by.

None of those tv and movie examples match up with what happened Monday. Steve Carrell didn't collapse on the set of The Office and they decided to keep filming while the EMTs took him away. The rest of the examples are similarly inaccurate. Rock not being under contract =/= Rock just died in the ring.

The closest example I can think of to what happened was John Ritter dying while filming 8 Simple Rules. And no, the show did not go on. As soon as he collapsed they stopped filming.

The show doesn't have to go on, just like the customer isn't always right, and any number of other old-timing sayings.
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#54 Posted on 12.9.12 0916.06
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    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by Lexus

      Jerry Lawler has been in the business longer than most anybody else still active on TV, both TNA and WWE combined, and has always been the consummate showman; never broken Kayfabe, kept trucking through Owen Hart's death, through the Benoit fiasco, never mouthed off in public with their disdain for what was happening around him. He would definitely be very upset if they stopped the show on account of him, because as any performer in any type of show can and should tell you, the show is bigger than you because your friends and colleagues are counting on you to make money, not lose it. The Office is still around without Carrell, Two and a Half Men without Sheen, and they've remade both Judge Dredd and Total Recall without Stallone or Schwarzenegger. Raw is still on without Austin, Rock, or Jim Ross, and people are still watching.

      (edited by Lexus on 11.9.12 2152)


    I'm not saying they should have stopped the show from what happened. But had Lawler died, yea I think they should have. There would have been no riot. I doubt that many people would even be wanting their money back, and if some did, so what? This company does shows for 1/4 full buildings all the time, what's really the problem with giving back a couple hundred tickets? They're not barely getting by.

    None of those tv and movie examples match up with what happened Monday. Steve Carrell didn't collapse on the set of The Office and they decided to keep filming while the EMTs took him away. The rest of the examples are similarly inaccurate. Rock not being under contract =/= Rock just died in the ring.

    The closest example I can think of to what happened was John Ritter dying while filming 8 Simple Rules. And no, the show did not go on. As soon as he collapsed they stopped filming.

    The show doesn't have to go on, just like the customer isn't always right, and any number of other old-timing sayings.


They stopped *taping* so it's not really a good analogy. The show actually DID go on after his death -- just like a movie or two he was working on. There's a big difference between live and taped, though. Would this have been a house show or a taped Smackdown, I'm guessing they'd stop the show.

Here's hoping we never have to find out, though.

(edited by Hokienautic on 12.9.12 1016)
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#55 Posted on 12.9.12 0959.48
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You can't honestly compare a private taping of a sitcom to a live broadcast in front of a studio audience.
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#56 Posted on 12.9.12 1100.56
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Good News. No brain damage to Lawler while he was out.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/261027-update-jerry-lawler-didnt-suffer-any-brain-damage
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#57 Posted on 12.9.12 1257.37
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Kevin Lawler says Jerry is responsive and writing detailed notes to communicate (he can't speak while intubated, natch).
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#58 Posted on 12.9.12 1454.08
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    Originally posted by Hokienautic

    They stopped *taping* so it's not really a good analogy. The show actually DID go on after his death -- just like a movie or two he was working on.
    (edited by Hokienautic on 12.9.12 1016)


It's a great example. I didn't say they'd never air a Monday Night Raw again. I said if he died they should stop the show, not take it off the air.
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#59 Posted on 12.9.12 1529.26
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    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by Hokienautic

      They stopped *taping* so it's not really a good analogy. The show actually DID go on after his death -- just like a movie or two he was working on.
      (edited by Hokienautic on 12.9.12 1016)


    It's a great example. I didn't say they'd never air a Monday Night Raw again. I said if he died they should stop the show, not take it off the air.


No. No it's not. A live broadcast is night and day different from a closed taping of a television show. There are no other considerations when stopping a taping; there are plenty when stopping a live broadcast. ISYDU.
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#60 Posted on 12.9.12 1618.31
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The only silver lining of this is that it happened to him on Raw, surrounded by people and medical staff. I shudder to think if this happened while he was driving or was alone in his hotel room asleep.
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