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The 7 - Sports that aren't Baseball, Football, Basketball, or Hockey - Earnhardt Jr. (finally) wins
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#1 Posted on 17.6.12 2154.46
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I'm not a big NASCAR guy, but I was a bit surprised to realize that it's been FOUR YEARS since Earnhardt's last win. I know he's not one of the very top drivers in the circuit but still, four years seems like an awfully long drought for a good driver.
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#2 Posted on 17.6.12 2201.21
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I know he's not one of the very top drivers in the circuit
Yeah, he's only #2 this year.

1. Matt Kenseth 565 pts, 1 win
2. Dale Earnhardt Jr -4, 1 win
3. Greg Biffle -17, 1 win
4. Jimmie Johnson -33, 2 wins
5. Denny Hamlin -51, 2 wins
6. Kevin Harvick -61
7. Martin Truex Jr. -68
8. Tony Stewart -74, 2 wins
9. Clint Bowyer -84
10. Brad Keselowski -107, 2 wins
WC1. Kyle Busch -133, 1 win
WC2. Ryan Newman -138, 1 win
11. Carl Edwards -109
14. Paul Menard -144
15. Joey Logan -158, 1 win
16. Kasey Kahne -174, 1 win
17. Marcos Ambrose, -177
18. Jamie McMurray -188
19. Juan Pablo Montoya -188
20. Jeff Gordon -190
21. Jeff Burton -190
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#3 Posted on 18.6.12 0109.03
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I'm not a big NASCAR guy, but I was a bit surprised to realize that it's been FOUR YEARS since Earnhardt's last win.


If you are a "NASCAR guy", you must be like the smallest "NASCAR guy" on Earth, because Dale Junior's four-year winless streak was only the biggest topic of media coverage for the last three-and-a-half years or so.

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I know he's not one of the very top drivers in the circuit


There have been 13 drivers to make four or more Chases...Dale Earnhardt Jr. is in that group. He had two REALLY dreadful years in 2009 and 2010, but he's not the first upper-level guy to miss a Chase. (Jimmie Johnson is the ONLY guy who has made all eight Chases.)

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    but still, four years seems like an awfully long drought for a good driver.


It was the 6th-longest span between wins in Cup, so it WAS quite long. It was NOT the "6th-longest winless streak in NASCAR history", though, so don't believe THAT nonsense.

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#4 Posted on 18.6.12 1826.49
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    It was NOT the "6th-longest winless streak in NASCAR history", though, so don't believe THAT nonsense.



Yep Among other things:

Casey Mears - currently at 177 (last win in 2007)
Martin Truex - 182 -last win also in 2007
Front Row Joe is at 267
Robbie Gordon (maybe this is his week) is at 285
Bobby Labonte is at 303

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J. D. McDuffie raced in 653 winston cup races without a win from 1963 until his death on the track in 1981
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#5 Posted on 18.6.12 1842.16
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How bad was it for NASCAR when he left his #8 Budweiser car for the #88? I get it that it is a better team and all of that and drivers change rides more than I change my style but, Jr + 8 + Bud = your common man. Maybe he makes less Chases, but isn't the overall perspective on Junior different? I know he still has his following, but I just don't see the 88 flying everywhere like I did the 8.



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#6 Posted on 18.6.12 1915.50
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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    J. D. McDuffie raced in 653 winston cup races without a win from 1963 until his death on the track in 1981 1991


I tweeted that last night! The big one I remembered offhand was Michael Waltrip starting his career with 462 winless races. Richard Petty's last 240-something races were also without victory.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    How bad was it for NASCAR when he left his #8 Budweiser car for the #88? I get it that it is a better team and all of that and drivers change rides more than I change my style but, Jr + 8 + Bud = your common man. Maybe he makes less Chases, but isn't the overall perspective on Junior different? I know he still has his following, but I just don't see the 88 flying everywhere like I did the 8.


I think a lot of that is that the 8 car just kind of vanished into the ether after Junior left DEI, since DEI got bought by Bobby Ginn (a horrendous failure) and then merged with Chip Ganassi Racing. Ganassi couldn't fund the 8 car and it hasn't been run in four years or so, so it never really got an identity with any other driver like - say - the 2 did with Brad Keselowski's success after he took over for Kurt Busch. If you have a red 8 flag, everyone knows you are supporting the driver of the 88 car.

I think the biggest factor in Junior's slide was losing Tony Eury Sr. as his crew chief. Junior thrived with Pops on the pitbox, and never really found a rhythm with any other guy. Even Tony Jr., who is now Danica's crew crief in Nationwide, is a guy Junior looked at as more of like "family" or a peer than his boss while he was in the car.

If you equate the crew chief/driver relationship like that of NFL head coach/QB, I think you can look at it like this. (Note: This is a fictional analogy with a factual beginning. And it's the best I could do with "QB who didn't win a title", like Junior.)

Say Matt Hasselbeck (Junior) had four really great years under Mike Holmgren (Eury Sr.), and then Holmgren retired, and the Seahawks promoted the offensive coordinator (Eury Jr.) thinking "hey, the continuity will be great and this should be no problem." Only, it *is* a problem, but loyalty to a guy who earned his promotion makes things drag out an extra year longer than they might have otherwise. Then they hire an entirely new coach (Lance McGrew) just to see if any change will work, and instead it fails miserably. Steve Letarte would be the next "new coach", and he and Junior have made it work...mostly because apparently Letarte is much better than McGrew at the job of being Dale Jr.'s crew chief.

I don't think any of that really had anything to do with Junior leaving DEI. That didn't hurt NASCAR as much as it hurt the racing side of DEI.
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