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The 7 - Sports that aren't Baseball, Football, Basketball, or Hockey - Timothy Bradley d. Manny Pacquiao by split-decision
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#1 Posted on 10.6.12 0028.17
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Wait, WHAT???

Everyone and their mother had Manny Pacquiao winning that fight. I'm totally speechless, so let's go to the Twitter-verse for reaction:













Um...Yahoo! Sports' Charles Robinson, not Lil' Naitch.

And finally, for a bit of levity, take us home, CM Punk!



So yeah, I think Floyd Mayweather just watched the biggest payday of his life get flushed down the toilet.
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#2 Posted on 10.6.12 0042.12
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Totally speechless after this one. This thing was a done deal by round 8, the only reason I stuck around the last couple of rounds was in case of a knockout.

The fact that the only card that Manny won on was so close is a total joke.

What a mess.

Big win for UFC tonight.

Edit: (I need to learn how to post fancy tweets)


    Bill Simmons ‏@sportsguy33
    Does everyone who watched tonight's fight have to appear as witnesses at the trial for the people who fixed it? How does this work?


(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 10.6.12 0145)
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#3 Posted on 10.6.12 0047.22
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"Pacquiao Beats Bradley, Loses Close Split Decision"

That was some Grade-A bullshit.
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#4 Posted on 10.6.12 0314.58
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Well Tim Bradley did post a picture of the poster for Pacquiao/Bradley 2 on his Twitter over a week ago.

https://twitter.com/Timbradleyjr/status/207553002964398080/photo/1

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#5 Posted on 10.6.12 0803.50
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There's a part of me that wonders if the judges were swayed by Pacquiao's recent political comments, and voted based on that..
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#6 Posted on 10.6.12 1114.55
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I watched the last few rounds just in case there was an "oh shit" moment I could watch, like a KO. The instant the bell rung at the end of the 12th, I stopped watching. Oh shit.
    Originally posted by It's False
    So yeah, I think Floyd Mayweather just watched the biggest payday of his life get flushed down the toilet.
I think this is okay, assuming Manny takes care of business in the rematch. It's not like Manny/Floyd was going to happen in November anyway, so this is a good way to delay the big fight without it being the usual delay-for-the-sake-of-delaying. If we're lucky, this will even put the fear of God into them to make them want to do the fight before a real loss happens. (Plus, Manny wasn't undefeated going into the fight, so this doesn't tarnish him at all.)
And the Celtics wrote "pack for a week" on their whiteboard after Game 6. Motivational tactics are not proof of a fix.

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#7 Posted on 10.6.12 1515.59
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    Originally posted by It's False
    So yeah, I think Floyd Mayweather just watched the biggest payday of his life get
    flushed down the toilet.

1. This doesn't tarnish Many at all. Everyone (or 'Everyone minus two) thinks he won. Win the rematch - which a ton of people will now pay to see - and he can fight Floyd in early '13.
2. Pretty sure Floyd wasn't watching the fight where he was.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    The fact that the only card that Manny won on was so close is a total joke.

I have no real issue with that card. I thought it was 8-4 or 9-3 Manny, but I could see how you get 7-5 Manny if you give the close rounds to Bradley. What I don't understand is how you get to seven rounds in favour of Bradley, cos then you're giving some rounds he very much didn't win to him.

I'm 90% sure Pizza Delivery Jones was kidding, but a rematch was guaranteed if Bradley won. He also got mock tickets printed for a rematch. Basically he was saying "I will win".

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#8 Posted on 10.6.12 1608.15
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Not a good day for Manny. His team loses, he loses and I am not sure how many people want to pay for a rematch over a bullshit finish. People will pay to see Manny/Mayweather, but I think a bit of the shine has come off.
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#9 Posted on 10.6.12 1736.07
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    Originally posted by dMr
      Originally posted by It's False
      So yeah, I think Floyd Mayweather just watched the biggest payday of his life get
      flushed down the toilet.

    1. This doesn't tarnish Many at all. Everyone (or 'Everyone minus two) thinks he won. Win the rematch - which a ton of people will now pay to see - and he can fight Floyd in early '13.




But, what is the point of having this fight or even watching it if the system is this broken?

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#10 Posted on 11.6.12 0336.52
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    But, what is the point of having this fight or even watching it if the system is this broken?
If "the system is this broken" what's the point of having any fight ever again?!

Bad decisions happen. When they happen in big fights and go against a popular fighter you get lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth, but it never lasts. It doesn't last because people's reactions become more tempered over time. It doesn't last because the initial flurry of "BOXING IS FIXED" and "JUDGES ARE STUPID" starts to become interspersed with "this is why you should never leave it in the hands of the judges" and "he'll totally be going for the knockout in the rematch. Yay!". It also doesn't last because a shit ton of people who spent yesterday hammering righteous indignation into their keyboards didn't even watch the fight.

I will say Manny is completely the wrong personality to sell a rematch though. If a decision like that went against Mayweather he'd be spitting venom and hellfire and shouting from the rooftops about how he'd destroy Bradley and everything he ever loved in the rematch. Manny smiles, politely expresses his disagreement with the decision and moves on.

Even allowing for that, if the rematch happens I'd be stunned if it doesn't get in the region of 1m buys.
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#11 Posted on 11.6.12 1737.22
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    Originally posted by dMr
    It also doesn't last because a shit ton of people who spent yesterday hammering righteous indignation into their keyboards didn't even watch the fight.


This was a good enough point that it was worth quote just for emphasis. Also, the way fights get judged nowadays lends itself to this kind of situation. This was a closer fight than what a 118-110 score feels like. (For comparison, Pac/Bradley offendee judge-CJ Ross scored Canelo Alvarez's blowout win over Shane Mosley 118-110, and Alvarez pretty much destroyed Mosley.) And when that happens judges tend to give a guy a round or two simply for not getting beaten as badly as he had in previous, more decisive rounds, even when taken as a three-minute fight by itself the judge would've given it rightfully to the winner. Then when the fighter thinks he's ahead and costs to win, losing a couple of late rounds costs him the fight and causes, well, THIS.

    Originally posted by dMr
    Even allowing for that, if the rematch happens I'd be stunned if it doesn't get in the region of 1m buys.


The last massive ripoff decision that had both the original bad call and the rematch on PPV was - best I can tell - Lewis-Holyfield I and II. The first did 1.1 million buys, then second 850k, so I don't know if more people will tune in to the rematch.
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#12 Posted on 11.6.12 1813.29
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by dMr
      It also doesn't last because a shit ton of people who spent yesterday hammering righteous indignation into their keyboards didn't even watch the fight.


    This was a good enough point that it was worth quote just for emphasis.


    ....


    The last massive ripoff decision that had both the original bad call and the rematch on PPV was - best I can tell - Lewis-Holyfield I and II. The first did 1.1 million buys, then second 850k, so I don't know if more people will tune in to the rematch.


Or you could say that enough people have felt so hosed over the years that not enough people care enough to raise a big enough stink to make it last.

Even taking all the people who didn't watch the fight who are hammering on their keyboards out of the equation, is there anyone who did watch the fight who really believes Bradley won the fight?

Even if Pac got a knockdown he still loses on those cards.

As a conspiracy lover at least I got a whole tone of random theories out of this.
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#13 Posted on 11.6.12 2058.52
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I thought it was a dandy of a fight. Compared to the bloody Mosley/Pacquiao fight from a few months back, this was relatively clean.

I don't think I agree with the judges' decision, but I figured it would go down to decision.

I caught the fight with friends, a predominantly Filipino crowd, and they were irate at the result. My opinion: it's a borderline conspiracy to sell even MORE tickets and PPV buys for their impending rematch.
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#14 Posted on 11.6.12 2142.00
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Conspiracy theories are usually just harmless fun, but I think I might buy into this one.
    Originally posted by Grantland

    Top Rank prefers to match Pacquiao with its own fighters, but Pacquiao has beaten nearly every credible foe (Miguel Cotto, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Marquez were all with the company when they fought Pacquiao) in Top Rank's stable in recent years. According to the conspiracy theory, Pacquiao's loss to Bradley solved the problem of finding Manny a November opponent. Instead of force-feeding the public a fourth Marquez fight, Top Rank can stage the Pacquiao-Bradley rematch, and they can reasonably expect the fight to generate greater profits than the first one, since Bradley's public profile will grow and boxing fans will be keen to watch Pacquiao attempt to set the record straight with a knockout. Additionally, boxing trainer and analyst Teddy Atlas has suggested that with Pacquiao's contract with Top Rank ending in 2013, the fighter may choose to leave the company next year. This would allow Pacquiao to negotiate his own promotional deals like Mayweather does. By doing so, Pacquiao would presumably be able to claim a much fatter slice of the earnings pie from his fights. According to this tributary of the conspiracy theory, Saturday night may have been Top Rank's way of sending a message to Pacquiao: If you choose to leave next year, you might be doing so with two fresh losses on your record, and Mayweather might decide he no longer has to prove that he can beat you.


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#15 Posted on 11.6.12 2216.32
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This is a good breakdown of things by Eric Raskin on HBO.com.

    Originally posted by Eric Raskin
    I re-watched Pacquiao-Bradley round by round on Sunday morning, to determine for myself whether the 115-113 scorecards in Bradley’s favor from C.J. Ross and Duane Ford, or even the 115-113 card for Pacquiao from Jerry Roth, were somehow justifiable.

    In the end, re-watching and re-scoring as carefully as I could, my scorecard read 118-110, just one round different from HBO unofficial scorer Harold Lederman’s tally of 119-109. As Lederman said on the air, “Manny Pacquiao was the aggressor all night. He walked him down, he set him up, and then he belted him with the left hand … Tim Bradley was covering up, backing up, never really landed a solid shot that stopped Pacquiao in his tracks, never hurt him once. I mean, that decision was a crime. Without question, Manny Pacquiao won the fight.”

    If you look back at my notes, I found six rounds (1, 2, 8, 10, 11, and 12) that could conceivably have been scored for Bradley. So even giving him every benefit of every doubt, I can’t see how a competent, focused judge could have Bradley ahead 115-113 at the end.

    Sometimes, a second look at a fight reveals something we missed the first time around. In this case, a second look confirmed what I already knew: The scorecards did not reflect what happened in the ring.
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#16 Posted on 12.6.12 0334.38
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Or you could say that enough people have felt so hosed over the years that not enough people care enough to raise a big enough stink to make it last.
You could, but you'd mostly be wrong. People's reactions are (almost without exception) strongest in the immediate aftermath and then moderate over time. That's just human nature.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    is there anyone who did watch the fight who really believes Bradley won the fight?


Sadly two people that mattered did. I'm not sure what your point is though. That it was a horrible decision? I agree! I just don't think it'll hurt boxing or help the UFC in any way. Both sports rely on a subjective scoring mechanism to decide fights that got the distance. As long as that's the case you'll get bad decisions. Sit down and watch a full night of fights and there's a reasonable chance you'll see at least one card in one fight that makes you go "wow". Unfortunately we got two of those in one fight.

There is, of course, a time-honoured method of avoiding this subjective scoring mechanism and that's to knock the other guy out. Instead of going for the knock out Manny went into cruise control in the second half of the fight. That was really fucking stupid on his part. You don't leave things in the hands of the judges if you can avoid it. You know who could have told him that?

    Originally posted by Grantland via Sting Army
    Instead of force-feeding the public a fourth Marquez fight...


This Marquez guy! And this sentence is where I have to disagree with that theory. I'm pretty sure JMM/Manny IV would've done better business than Manny/Bradley II.

    Originally posted by JJD
    The last massive ripoff decision that had both the original bad call and the rematch on PPV was - best I can tell - Lewis-Holyfield I and II. The first did 1.1 million buys, then second 850k, so I don't know if more people will tune in to the rematch.


That's not an entirely fair comparison (albeit it's probably the best we'll be able to find). Lewis didn't have anything like the fan base Manny does who'd pay to see him get his rightful revenge. Heck, most people on that side of the Atlantic were probably pulling for Holyfield. Mostly I just think Manny's that big a draw that a rematch'll do fine. Might be wrong.

You're welcome to take the under on 1m though! If you're right I'll.......say only nice things about the Patriots for a year. Or spend then rest of Euro 2012 fervently cheering on Hodgson's mob. Or buy a TO Cowboys jersey*.

*Not really.
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