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#1 Posted on 8.6.12 0737.48
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plus Zero Month, when all titles are re-numbered to #0 in September. (newsarama.com)

The four new books are:

Talon
Sword of Sorcery
The Phantom Stranger
Team Seven

Will I buy any of these? No. Though I'm curious about Talon and about the reworked concept for Phantom Stranger.

Justice League International is already canceled but they haven't said what other books these four are replacing.
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#2 Posted on 8.6.12 0833.43
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It's a shame too because JLI has actually been kind of underrated IMO. It's not a great book, but it is certainly better than a lot of the other titles.
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#3 Posted on 8.6.12 0908.44
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DC and #0 issues -- it's time for an intervention.
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#4 Posted on 8.6.12 0916.25
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Why does Didio keep getting new titles? His have all been pretty terrible. At least Jemas was limited to one series.
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#5 Posted on 8.6.12 0929.12
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    Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
    Why does Didio keep getting new titles?


Being Co-Publisher of DC Comics might have something to do with it.
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#6 Posted on 8.6.12 1239.52
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
      Why does Didio keep getting new titles?


    Being Co-Publisher of DC Comics might have something to do with it.


Going out on a limb there, Johnny O. With all the new titles and canceling of other titles, I wonder how long this new 52 will last. Sales are starting to plummet on most of the books.
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#7 Posted on 8.6.12 1248.07
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That's why they're constantly changing titles. Most of these books will probably last under a year, but it doesn't matter, as long as you can pop the sales every few months for that short term gain, while driving off long term fans.

Until another crash happens, akin to the '90s, but much worse because even with these gimmicks, they're barely breaking 60K readers for a first issue.
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#8 Posted on 8.6.12 1300.24
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The comics industry will never understand oversaturation. 52 books is a ridiculous amount of comics. Then add the fact that 80% of them feature characters that nobody gives a crap about and it's a wonder they have any sales at all.
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#9 Posted on 8.6.12 1613.14
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I got myself a tablet around xmas time and I decided I wanted to try to read more comics. It seemed like a great time to check out this new DC line. Of course, with me, I never just do something half-assed, I decided I would have to try every one, and either catch up or decide to not read it and move on.

And of course I had to do it alphabetically.

I've only gotten to the M's, and I'm falling behind on the early ones that I've read.

It is just WAY too much.

that said, I did find a few gems I knew nothing about (Animal Man, Batwing, The Grifter, Blue Beetle). I realize it might be a stupid marketing plan to throw up a bunch of new series all the time and see what's selling, but it might accidentally be a good idea. I always say that I wish a studio would take $200 million and make 20 movies that cost $10 million instead of one movie that cost $200 million. I guess this is sort of like that.
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#10 Posted on 8.6.12 1622.41
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    Originally posted by samoflange
    DC and #0 issues -- it's time for an intervention.


Hey, you know, 52 #0 issues isn't so bad. If this were the late 90s, it'd be 1,000,000 #0 issues.
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#11 Posted on 11.6.12 0941.35
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Hope no one was reading and enjoying Captain Atom because it joins JLI as canceled. (blog.newsarama.com)

Who am I kidding? No one was reading and enjoying Captain Atom. He's a prime candidate to be placed on a team book. He's a good team player, even a team leader (JLE back in the day), but not so much a thrilling solo character.

UPDATE: Resurrection Man and Voodoo join Captain Atom on the canceled list.

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#12 Posted on 11.6.12 1019.44
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by samoflange
      DC and #0 issues -- it's time for an intervention.


    Hey, you know, 52 #0 issues isn't so bad. If this were the late 90s, it'd be 1,000,000 #0 issues.

As long as there are 0 #1,000,000 issues, right? Or were those good?
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#13 Posted on 12.6.12 1441.10
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola

    UPDATE: Resurrection Man and Voodoo join Captain Atom on the canceled list.



Why does DC hate me? Resurrection Man is the only one of the new 52 that I'm reading that I would consistently describe as good (the others are good, but inconsistent). Instead, dreck like Suicide Squad keeps getting published.

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#14 Posted on 12.6.12 1448.54
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easy solution -- just say no. :>
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#15 Posted on 12.6.12 1456.52
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    Originally posted by odessasteps

    easy solution -- just say no. :>


The last time you said this was 2/1/12. (The W) Over four months! Congrats on your now-lapsed restraint.

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#16 Posted on 12.6.12 1504.37
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Batman's Court of Owls storyline has been pretty great, but the New 52 has been unremarkable, to say the least. I'm crossing my fingers that this #0 stunt can pull me back in, but I'm becoming more and more lukewarm to DC's New 52.

And yes, count me in as increasingly intrigued by The Phantom Stranger's new direction.
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#17 Posted on 12.6.12 2330.55
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    As long as there are 0 #1,000,000 issues, right? Or were those good?


Yes, DC One Million was a good story. The Resurrection Man issue is one of the single best comic issues ever. The series also spawned the excellent Hourman series.
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#18 Posted on 13.6.12 0447.19
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola

    UPDATE: Resurrection Man and Voodoo join Captain Atom on the canceled list.
Resurrection Man will be back.

*rimshot*

They should just rotate a few of the titles (the D listers) as miniseries of 4 to 6 issues with planned arcs, and just rush the next miniseries featuring the character/concept to the front of the rotation queue if they actually catch fire.

Can we do that and have "Young Heroes in Love" back for a bit? No? Okay. How about "Vext?"
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#19 Posted on 13.6.12 0921.18
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    Originally posted by It's False
    the New 52 has been unremarkable, to say the least.


I agree to a large degree. I think it's been beneficial in some ways. For someone like me, who was disenfranchised with how unwieldy the DCU was, it was nice to have a "clean slate" more or less, an accessible starting point where the 70 years of prior continuity didn't matter anymore. I liked that a lot in theory.

There's a lot I'm not enamored with in terms of the directions things have gone; Superman especially springs to mind. Everything from his ugly armor to... well, just about everything. (I'm enjoying Supergirl a lot more. I thought Supergirl #7 was one of the best Super comics I've ever read.) Nor do I particularly care for the Justice League, DC's flagship book.

Batman, the most important franchise in DC, is being handled incredibly well under Scott Snyder, plus the other Bat books usually range from good to very good in their own right. Batman books account for something like 25% of DC's output and they're delivering quite nicely overall.

I think what I wished happened when the New 52 was conceived was a readily apparent overall story for the new universe and continuity. It seems like, with Pandora, there is something of the sort planned, but I wish everything were a little more cohesive. The thing I'm liking about Earth 2 is that there is a Big Plan in place for the universe in that book: forming the Justice Society gradually. And it's neat to see the Easter eggs and differences, little and big, between Earth 2 and New 52 Earth.

I'm interested in the #0 issues because they seem to me like modern versions of the old Secret Origins books, which I really liked post-Crisis back in the 80s. As I've said, I'm not particularly beholden to the old continuity and the tropes of the past, so I'm curious about what's new and different now. But my main priority is always whether the books are good. The books I still read are still good, and a year ago I went from buying and reading zero comics to about 8-10 a month, so that's a win for DC.*

* And Marvel, because I'm reading AvX, and I hadn't read any new Marvel since Civil War started.

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#20 Posted on 13.6.12 0933.56
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I'm not seeing anything in The New 52 that couldn't be done in the previous DC universe. The Shade series could have come out five years ago. Animal Man's recent issue refers to the Morrison era. The Batman Owls story takes place parallel to Morrison's continuing (if abridged) Leviathan story; this didn't require a franchise reboot.
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