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| #1 Posted on 25.7.02 1026.52 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1029.01 | What was te biggest disgrace to a Title's Lineage?...
Vince Russo as WCW Champion? Vince McMahon as WWF Champion?
Eric Bischoff as WCW Hardcore Champion?
David Arquette as WCW Champion?
Pat Patterson as WWF Hardcore Champion?
Anyone that won the Hardcore title due to the 24/7 rule?
Something else?
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| #2 Posted on 25.7.02 1036.16 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1036.46 | EDIT - Nevermind. I caught myself being a bastard.
(edited by Parts Unknown on 25.7.02 1038) | JST
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| #3 Posted on 25.7.02 1041.41 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1059.01 | Chuck Palumbo's two minute reign, anyone? | TheBucsFan
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| #4 Posted on 25.7.02 1048.23 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1059.03 | Russo as WCW Champ.
Looking at the two most obvious other possibilities...
McMahon, WWF Champion. He was champ for four days or so, he didn't really get any offense in against champion Triple H, made sense in stories, and made for a cool moment.
Arquette, WCW Champion. At least he pinned useless Eric Bischoff in a stipulation match and didn't have any title defenses. Plus, the title was in a downward spiral at this point anyway, so it wasn't as bad as if he had won the title in, say, 1997.
Russo beat up-and-coming, new to the main event scene Booker T, then, because of the booking, still had the opportunity to declare the match null and void and give the title back to booker T, and (in storyline terms) KEPT the belt. It didn't make sense, wasn't cool, and became incredibly obvious that Russo knew WCW was about to die and he just did it to feed his own ego. | shea
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| #5 Posted on 25.7.02 1054.16 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1059.04 | yeah, it's got to be Russo as champ
It showed he had no respect for the business, organization and people he was working with. Which made me feel like an idiot for watching it. Very, very depressing.
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| #6 Posted on 25.7.02 1107.46 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1117.16 | Arquette, WCW Champion. At least he pinned useless Eric Bischoff in a stipulation match and didn't have any title defenses.
From the 5/1/2000 Nitro report, the Nitro following Arquette's title win..
YEAHBABY TANK YEAHBABY ABBOTT YEAHBABY v. DAVID ARQUETTE (with Chris "Champage" Kanyon) - the reason this match is NOW is because still to come is....hoo boy, Hogan vs. Awesome. How come the Mark calls David Arquette "YOUR world champion...not mine" when he's spent all of last week trying to convince the world that putting the title on this guy was a brilliant idea? Kanyon puts on some brass knuckles - guess that's his plan - but unfortunately, referee "Blind" Billy Silverman decides to send Kanyon to the back. Arquette tries to sneak in while Abbott is watching all this and climbs on his back. Abbott gets a kick out of this - then backs into the corner. We see Jarrett, Bischoff and Kimberly looking on and make sure we get Bischoff asking aloud "Wonder what Courteney's thinking?" Arquette tries a shot - no good - Abbott picks him up and takes him down. Abbott turns his back again - Arquette tries his spear, but Abbott stops him cold. We go backstage to see an ambulance arriving with lights flashing...yup, DIAMOND DALLAS PAGE behind the wheel. I can't believe that EMT in the passenger seat let him get away with that! Page ready to stagger to the ring while Arquette is out cold in the middle of the ring. Sign in crowd: "Is Anybody Watching?" Silverman is taken out of the ring. Page apparently stops by the production table on his way out and says "play my music, wouldja?" 'cause "Smells Like Self High Five" fires up. We cut backstage where Bischoff tells Jarrett to stop Page - whoops, too late. Page with a Diamond Cutter on Abbott, apparently he came through the crowd and snuck up from behind - of course, we missed it because we needed to see Bischoff. Page puts Arquette on top of Abbott, then goes outside to throw Silverman back in the ring. 1, 2, 3. (2:14)
This is where JOBBED TO DAVID ARQUETTE started.
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| #7 Posted on 25.7.02 1109.46 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1122.49 | Really? I thought Russo was well booked. He had a match, but Russo didn't win. Goldberg speared him through the cage, making him the first person to leave. And the spot itself where Godlberg speared Russo through the cage as Booker made his way out looked decent. Russo didn't "beat" Booker.
I'm going to go and say that none of those was the worst (well, Patterson was pretty bad in my mind, but Brisco wasn't any cakewalk either). I'm going to say the worse was when Big Show won the belt. Any belt. But namely the WWE Title and feuded with Bossman. Big Show was an awful champ with no charisma or workrate to speak of.
Speaking of which, why list Patterson and not Brisco? They were both in on that feud and BOTH were awful.
(edited by WhoBettahThanDeion on 25.7.02 0910) | Torchslasher
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| #8 Posted on 25.7.02 1129.54 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1130.33 | Russo, McMahon and others that won their titles are involved in wrestling. David Arquette is a two-bit celebrity hack actor who didn't deserve being in the ring, much less winning the biggest title in WCW. That is enough to put him ahead of everyone else in my mind. | redsoxnation
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| #9 Posted on 25.7.02 1135.38 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1144.01 | Arquette is the biggest disgrace to the belt, since WCW had relaunched itself and was trying to regain the good will of the fan base. One three count on Thunder later, and it was no longer a question of How can people think WCW will go out of business to When will WCW fold. The second choice that I'm surprised no one has touched yet is your former WCW World Tag Team Champion Judy Bagwell. | Freeway
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| #10 Posted on 25.7.02 1139.46 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1151.30 | Vince McMahon CAN wrestle. Vince Russo and David Arquette cannot. In the 40 year history of the WWF Championship, Vince McMahon's 4 day title reign is: i) Very short and meaningless. ii) Set up the sweet, sweet Six-Pack Match, which put Triple H over more. iii) Made for interesting story.
Vince Russo's title reign was just pointless. David Arquette's title reign was to promote a movie, nothing more. Vince Russo is the biggest joke here. | hayabusa
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| #11 Posted on 25.7.02 1146.32 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1159.05 | David Arquette was the biggest disgrace. To give the belt to a big celebrity is one thing, but this guy is best know for being Courteney Cox husband.
I would also like to add Chyna as IC champ to the list. it pains be to think that the title RVD has right now was once around that manbeast's waist. | mountinman44
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| #12 Posted on 25.7.02 1152.31 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1159.09 | Definitely David Arquette... hell, the dude still holds up a sign saying "Former WCW Champion"... | Grimis
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| #13 Posted on 25.7.02 1157.19 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1159.12 | Arquette is the worst. McMahon's reign was handled well, and Russo's wasn't a disaster.
As far as the lesser titles go(and I don't include the Hardcore title in this list because that would assume that it mean something at some point) I'd say that David Flair as the US Champ was pretty bad, as well as Scott Hall's TV title reign only because he dumped the thing into the trash can. | ThreepMe
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| #14 Posted on 25.7.02 1240.46 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1259.02 |
Originally posted by mountinman44 Definitely David Arquette... hell, the dude still holds up a sign saying "Former WCW Champion"...
That sign made me laugh, therefore the Arquette title reign now has value. Albeit, comedic only.
So, by default, Russo's reign is the lowest of the low... | chazerizer
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| #15 Posted on 25.7.02 1258.35 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1259.10 | It has sto be either Arquette or Big Show. Both Vinces had at least meaningful title reigns, even if they were awful champions. | Leroy
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| #16 Posted on 25.7.02 1304.56 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1307.40 | DAvid Arquette - for the simple reason that it was one of the worst angles ever. Not only did he get one title defense, but he also ended up TURNING HEEL, and betraying DDP.
That's when I REALLY started drinking....
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| #17 Posted on 25.7.02 1406.03 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1406.15 | I'm sure I agree that David Arquette being the titleholder was the worst.
Although I choose a couple of other moments for consideration:
The whole Russo/Hulk Hogan lying down thing the last time Hulk was on WcW. That sucked and just showed how unimportant the belt was.
The time Andre won and gave the belt to DiBiase. Andre, I guess, undervalued the belt. But at least that was angle driven.
Other belts:
The woman's belt in the trash on Nitro
The TV title found by Duggen on WCW
The (fake) NWA title being fuzzed out on WWF TV back in '91.
The WCW hardcore title belt. Yuk. | RawLo
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| #18 Posted on 25.7.02 1421.43 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1425.41 | Arquette. Next worst would have to be CHRIS JERICHO JOBBING TO EVERY FREAKIN' BODY IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS! For crying out loud- he was the first ever Undisputed Heavyweight Champion! He can talk and he can go. Maybe he got bumped down the ladder because HHH turned heel and Lord knows he needs space at the top all for himself and his massive upper body, right? Shiiiiiit.... | SKLOKAZOID
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| #19 Posted on 25.7.02 1433.00 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1459.04 | Looking at the original list, I guess I'd have to say Russo "winning the title" from Booker T, although I believe that decision was overturned due to Goldberg's interference. I could be wrong.
Although, I don't see anything after Sting's last reign/Bret Hart's first WCW title reign to have any meaning. After that, everything just kind of turned to shit and the "WCW Apocalypse" began with things changing by the week. A wide array of absurd things happened during that time to the point where David Arquette's title reign was just going along with the flow of insane crap that was going on. I don't really consider that to be a disgrace.
Probably the biggest disgrace to a World Title ever has to be the Fingerpoke of Doom. All sense of logic and reason just went down the toilet and it was the first time (I believe) that the World Title was just given away for no good reason and treated like a ragdoll.
At least Andre had money as the motivating factor when he handed it to DiBiase. Nash was hot off beating Goldberg and was at the top of his game. Just handing it over to Hogan made it worthless. | AndrewGilkison
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| #20 Posted on 25.7.02 1559.14 Reposted on: 25.7.09 1559.14 |
Originally posted by JHCA13 What was te biggest disgrace to a Title's Lineage?..Vince Russo as WCW Champion?
I'd go with this one. Vince Russo really had no business being on TV at all, let alone winning the World Title from a guy he was supposedly building the promotion around, even if he would overturn that decision. It's such a shame that a once profitable company like WCW would be put out of business by such crap, but they did bring it upon themselves.
Vince McMahon as WWF Champion?
Unlike Russo, at lest when Vince McMahon "won" the belt, it told a nice story with characters that people cared about, and it didn't hurt business because WWF Attitude was still going strong at that point. It still wasn't a good idea though, and was one of the reasons Triple H's first title reigns couldn't get over, but at lest it wasn't too offensive given the circumstances, and it worked out in the end.
Eric Bischoff as WCW Hardcore Champion?
The WCW Hardcore Championship was a joke from day one, and nothing more to duplicate the moderate success of the WWF Hardcore Championship. Bischoff's title reign continued one of the only few good storylines during the Russo/Bischoff New Blood storyline where Bischoff was sending people to take away the Hardcore Title from Terry Funk.
The payoff should've been Funk beating the crap out of Eric for the belt at the following PPV, but that was one of Russo's problems with booking in that he didn't really understand the importance of building towards a PPV match.
David Arquette as WCW Champion?
Russo and Bischoff make a big splash on their arrival, and put out two compelling first shows. So how to you follow up on that goodwill and continue to make your fanbase fans happy?
You put the World Title on some B level actor simply because he's a celebrity, of course.
To this day, Russo continues to defend that as "it got people talking". He didn't realize it was one of the many factors that killed WCW, and he was the cause of it, and yet he continues to talk about how it was a good thing.
Pat Patterson as WWF Hardcore Champion?
Anyone that won the Hardcore title due to the 24/7 rule?
All that 24/7 stuff early on was funny. Of course now it's has ran its course, and the whole title should be put to rest. |
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