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Derek Burgan
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#1 Posted on 24.7.02 0635.36
Reposted on: 24.7.09 0639.00
Looking through the multitude of Scott Kieth threads it would seem the biggest complaint against his recaps is that there is too much opinion in them. But I want to know why anyone would want to read a recap that *didn't* have a heavy amount of opinion mixed in?

I think it is Scott's biggest asset that he puts his thoughts in. What the hell do I want to read about how many arm-bars there were in a match? I want to read how maybe this particular match tied into a angle I've completely forgotten about but people like Scott remember. The whole draw to a recapper to me is not to tell me what exactly happened, because no human being other than CRZ can get that across is such detail, but to tell me waht it *felt* like watching it.

I *want* to know if Scott, or Wade Keller, Jason Powell, Take-your-pick *liked* the show. Or if they hated it. But along wiht that I want to know *why* they did or didn't like it and Scott does a good job of explaining that. I think most of us watch the damn shows anyway, so I never really found it necessary to read most of CRZ's recaps. I mean Wade wants me to put in the "time of match" in my recaps and I quite frankly couldn't give a shit less about how long a match is.

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#2 Posted on 24.7.02 0644.11
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If you read CRZ's recaps, he does give an opinion. I think many like him more than others because most times it doesn't affect his description of what happened.
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#3 Posted on 24.7.02 0900.31
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There are some of us who don't watch the shows, for whatever reasons. I find it entertaining to read a few recaps, and I gather different information (and opinions) from them. From CRZ, I get the flow of the show, knowing what happened. It's like watching the match in text form. From SK, I get one person's opinion on the big picture. This doesn't mean that I have to like, agree with, or anything else regarding his opinion. Knowing his biases, I take that into account as I read the rant.

Regarding match times, they add to the flow of the match. If a match went 10 (ok 7, no 6) minutes on TV, that meant the match was viewed as significant in terms of what the organization was trying to present. A match that went 3 minutes, while not necessarily filler, has less to do with the big picture.
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#4 Posted on 24.7.02 2359.18
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i read crz even though i've seen the show, because i like his take on the action or prouduct.

most of the time, his recap's are more entertaining than the show [Chunder, for example]


back in the day, when they had 2 20 min interviews, i would just FUHFUHWAD and read his 'cap to glean any useful info, and if there was something funny, or interesting, i'd go watch it...
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#5 Posted on 25.7.02 0701.08
Reposted on: 25.7.09 0705.32

    Originally posted by A-MOL
    If you read CRZ's recaps, he does give an opinion. I think many like him more than others because most times it doesn't affect his description of what happened.
The difference is that when CRZ criticizes something, he does it with a humor and lightness indicative of how unimportant all this really is. You know, like, "that's it, I'm outta here" during a really awful promo. Or any number of sarcastic comments after a terrible segment. When others like Scott Keith bash something, they give off the impression they've been personally slighted. Essentially, they give the impression of taking the whole thing way too seriously and tend to be overly analytical about it. CRZ gives you the feeling that something didn't float his boat, even made him angry. Scott Keith lets you know that something is the Word on High and Indisputable Truth.
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#6 Posted on 25.7.02 0732.49
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Derek--I think its all in what you're looking for.

CRZ gives detail (in an inhuman way, as you said). So when I'm sitting at work Monday afternoon and I'm trying to figure out what a move was called or what exactly happened when I had to answer the doorbell, I read CRZ. If you read closely enough, its like a detailed plot and a picture reel will start in your head.

Keith gives TONS of opinion, which can often read as very self-centered and overbearing (keeping in mind that anyone who writes about this stuff is probably a mark for themselves on SOME level). He seems to know what HE likes at least. And he does call them RANTS, which they are. I don't always agree with his assesments, but then I don't go around bitching about how I can't stand to read him either. I read, agree or disageee and move on.

Wade/Jason/Pat's RAW coverage is pretty good for getting the general flow of the show, results and some opinion.

I tend to prefer a good mixture of detail and opinion which if you've read CRZ long enough, you can 'see' between what he says and doesn't. BrewGuy (friendship notwithstanding) is one of my current favorite recappers because he always comes across as a fan first, which seems very rare around the Net these days.

I do like the (Commentary:) thing that you Torch guys do, as well.

I know there's a point or two in there somewhere... ;)

(edited by DrOp on 25.7.02 0833)
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#7 Posted on 25.7.02 0905.14
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What about 1wrestling's rhetorical questions? (Do they still do those? I haven't read one of their recaps in ages.)

Wasn't the expression on Goldust's face when Booker said "sucka" hilarious?

Is there any straight man in America who doesn't think Trish Stratus is the hottest woman in the history of womankind?

Does WWE really think anybody wants to see a we-hate-America angle in 2002?

If Russo has been managing a CD Warehouse since being gone, has Bischoff been managing a Krispy Kreme? (Actually, that one wouldn't be too bad, if Bischoff were fat, which he isn't.)
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#8 Posted on 25.7.02 0940.10
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I avoid 1Bob like the plague.
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#9 Posted on 25.7.02 0952.28
Reposted on: 25.7.09 0959.04
I partially agree with a lot of what's been said. I feel that if a writer is writing a "rant", then the reader should expect a lot of opinion. However, if the writer is selling their column as a "recap", then the reader expects a relatively accurate report, not "this sucks, that sucks".

Though he calls his column a "Rant", he also claims to be a recapper (he claimed to be the last one standing for a while there).
Derek Burgan
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#10 Posted on 25.7.02 1004.02
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I used to think Scherer's rhetorical questions were a really good, innovative idea at the time. Eventually the joke wore thin. It would be equivalent to the Soup Nazi being a regular character on Seinfeld. While I haven't been to 1bob since the pop up explosing I really hope that Dave isn't still relying on that bit.

It's good to see CRZ back to recaps as I really believe he fills in a void in recapping that no one, not Scott Keith, Jason Powell, myself or anyone else could. I used to try to recap Smackdown like that and not only on my best day could only do about 1/10th as good a job of CRZ, I found myself hating the show every week because I was so concentrated on the minutia of the show I couldn't see the overall picture. It's that style of writing that I'm convinced is why Bruce Mitchell is so vitrolic against the WWE.

Regardless, I think it's good that there are so many different styles of writers to choose from and most of the time are more fun than the shows themselves.

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#11 Posted on 25.7.02 1204.07
Reposted on: 25.7.09 1223.29
    Originally posted by VK Wallstreet
    What about 1wrestling's rhetorical questions? (Do they still do those? I haven't read one of their recaps in ages.)
Oh my god those make me cringe. They're about as interesting as uncomfortable guy talk:

Guy #1: "So ... that Curt Schilling ..."

Guy #2: "Yup ... isn't he great?"

[silence]

Guy #2: "... How about that Wall Street?"

Guy #1: "Phew ... yeah ... tell me about it."

[silence]

This is all the time we have today on Uncomfortable Guy Talk! Tune in next week when we talk about weather and gasoline prices!

(edited by Slestak on 25.7.02 1206)
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