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#21 Posted on 24.7.02 0003.11
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Even if you are new to the *IWC*, if you can't tell that the simple premise of assigning star ratings implies opinion, let alone the various other things SK says that are in there, then you deserve to believe Scott Keith.

I mean, you figured it out, Smoove. People learn and move on...

(edited by EddieBurkett on 24.7.02 0105)
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#22 Posted on 24.7.02 0005.02
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Nobody is familiar with DeCerteau?

RRARRR!

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#23 Posted on 24.7.02 0012.51
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    NO. ABSOLUTELY WRONG. The problem is that you have YOUR standards in what entertains you. YOUR definition of good, well, isn't. Not to everybody.


Well, there, Smoove, I don't write for "everybody", I write for my audience. You seem to have trouble grappling with the concept of my having an opinion on things that differs from yours. It is, as they say, a free country, and the wonderful thing about the internet is that anyone who has the talent to write material that others want to read is free to spread his own opinion and disagree with anyone he wants. What do I care if Joe Recapper thought it was a 10.0 score on RAW? My opinion is my own and I'd like to think that I'm secure enough in it to throw it out there to the lions and take my chances. Hey, if you have a different perspective, then take the advice of HHH -- write your own column, and make the powers-that-be on the internet push you based on your talents! Nobody was "forced" to read my RAW and PPV rants -- I just put them out there on my piddling little GeoCities website, and eventually they became so popular that I had to go dot.com.

And see, you're just engaging in exactly the behavior you're accusing me of -- telling me what the "right" way to do a recap of a show is. There is no right. If readers can't figure out that my site is opinion-based the first time I note that Kevin Nash couldn't be carried to a *** match by a forklift, then I think they've got the wrong site. If you enjoy XPW, then huzzah for you. Write an XPW column and share your love of it with the world. I'll never read it and will probably laugh at you behind your back for writing it to boot, but then I'm like that. And you know what? If you're secure enough in your opinions on the show, it won't matter. People want me to deliver a rant that gives my opinion on the show, so that's what I deliver. And much like you trumpet the portion of the audience that "doesn't matter" to the WWE, I'm afraid your portion of my audience is by FAR the smallest.

But let's look another issue here -- your idea that since I'm apparently in the minority, I shouldn't fight for a product that I want to see. To which I ask -- do you have self-esteem issues or something? Doesn't it strike you as kind of nihlist to just roll over and play dead for something that I consider to be an inferior product? I mean, this may come as a shock, but I'm not completely stupid -- I do realize that my tastes probably don't run parallel to the Great Unwashed Masses. But you know what? Fuck 'em. I have no vested interest in the financial well-being of Vince McMahon. Wrestling entertains me, so give me wrestling. If it does a 2.0 rating, so be it, just means an easier time getting good seats at the next house show. If the people running the show who are supposed to be so much smarter than me are dumb enough to follow the suggestions of a bunch of internet writers, then they deserve whatever they get.

Oh, and just to put this to rest, again, everything in that Hyatte piece was a lie, so please don't insult my intelligence by making points based off it. Argue the points I write, not what some third-hand information that is easily verifiable as being a total fabrication says.


(edited by rspwfaq on 23.7.02 2313)
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#24 Posted on 24.7.02 0322.06
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"Everything in the Hyatte piece was a lie..."

but, in a previous thread on this very board...

"Actually, either Hyatte took the time to make up an entire AIM conversation, or Matt Martisek was lying about a ton of stuff, because 90% of what was in that conversation he printed is totally untrue."

What happened to the 10%?
BOOYAH!!! I'M POINTING OUT INCONSISTENCIES TO SCOTT M'F*CKING KEITH!!! I AM THE MAN!!! WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME?!?

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#25 Posted on 24.7.02 0643.17
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"Wrestling entertains me, so give me wrestling. If it does a 2.0 rating, so be it, just means an easier time getting good seats at the next house show."

Well according to you, this will be happening in about two weeks, give or take.



SK, since you're posting here, I have a couple of questions. Why do you like the Art of Wrestling so much? Why do you like the technical aspects that much? Do you have an extensive background in training with it? Maybe some Amatuer Wrestling under your belt? I mean, you're probably the next biggest hardcore Art of Wrestling freak other than myself, and I've been studying/training in the stuff for several years now.

And yet somehow, I think this past Monday was a great show. Go figure.

(edited by El Nastio on 24.7.02 0743)
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#26 Posted on 24.7.02 0955.42
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    Originally posted by rspwfaq
      NO. ABSOLUTELY WRONG. The problem is that you have YOUR standards in what entertains you. YOUR definition of good, well, isn't. Not to everybody.


    My opinion is my own and I'd like to think that I'm secure enough in it to throw it out there to the lions and take my chances.

    Oh, and just to put this to rest, again, everything in that Hyatte piece was a lie, so please don't insult my intelligence by making points based off it. Argue the points I write, not what some third-hand information that is easily verifiable as being a total fabrication says.


    (edited by rspwfaq on 23.7.02 2313)



No, you still don't get the point. My whole explanation was done to help describe HOW I feel the writing has you come across as self-centered and the ultimate authority on what is good in wrestling, and the WAY you give your opinion serves to take away the reader's opinion and have the reader think like you do. Perhaps I shouldn't apply the same theoretical value to an internet wrestling column that I do a historical text. So, if you still don't understand what I'm going for here, I'll just leave it at that on move on. Internet flame wars are pathetic, yo!

And since you've denied the Hyatte, thing, it becomes a he said/she said deal and I can't lean to either side. Now we just have to find out who the "she" is.

-K
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#27 Posted on 24.7.02 1153.39
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"What happened to the 10%?
BOOYAH!!! I'M POINTING OUT INCONSISTENCIES TO SCOTT M'F*CKING KEITH!!! I AM THE MAN!!! WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME?!?"

This, A-MOL, along with your other jokes on the Slashwrestling/jumping to conclusions thread, is the number one reason I came back. Very funny stuff!


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#28 Posted on 24.7.02 1201.49
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rikidozan had it right . . .

If you really don't enjoy Scott Keith's writing, then why not just ignore it? Don't read it, don't bitch about it . . . just leave it alone.

You know, all this pent-up anger and frustration towards certain people is getting to be just a little bit weird.


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#29 Posted on 24.7.02 1348.09
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This whole thread was just a little bit weird.

And then I saw the Bob Ross (RIP!) photo, and, for a moment, it was all clear to me.
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#30 Posted on 24.7.02 1417.02
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    Originally posted by raygun
    rikidozan had it right . . .

    If you really don't enjoy Scott Keith's writing, then why not just ignore it? Don't read it, don't bitch about it . . . just leave it alone.

    You know, all this pent-up anger and frustration towards certain people is getting to be just a little bit weird.





Well, I've left it alone. I WOULD like to bring to attention the name of this board, however.

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#31 Posted on 24.7.02 2225.01
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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    SK, since you're posting here, I have a couple of questions. Why do you like the Art of Wrestling so much? Why do you like the technical aspects that much? Do you have an extensive background in training with it? Maybe some Amatuer Wrestling under your belt? I mean, you're probably the next biggest hardcore Art of Wrestling freak other than myself, and I've been studying/training in the stuff for several years now.

    And yet somehow, I think this past Monday was a great show. Go figure.

    (edited by El Nastio on 24.7.02 0743)



I dunno if there's any reason in particular why I like the in-ring aspect so much. It's always been a very cathartic thing to watch two guys just beat the hell out of each other. Watching Benoit chop the shit out of some poor shmoe is a great stress reliever. While bad wrestling has it's upside, there's nothing more fun than REALLY getting into a great back-and-forth match and marking out for near-falls that you really believed in your heart would end the match. That's why the Monday Night Wars saddened me somewhat -- the whole art of building a match and paying it off was completely destroyed by 2-minute specials with no finish where the purpose of the match became building the angle, rather than the other way around.
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#32 Posted on 24.7.02 2245.56
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Having a PPV every month also hurt the slow boil feud. We're lucky if we can get a two month feud that means anything. That was one of the good things about ECW, the Tajiri/Super Crazy for example would garner more heat as the match progressed. You never knew who was going to win, because they flip flopped wins and every now and then one of them would go on a mini streak.

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#33 Posted on 24.7.02 2251.56
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    What does it take to have a perfect show for you? Well, whatever it is, it would NOT be the perfect show for anybody else.


Hey, maybe I don't fall under "anybody else" for some odd reason, but I find myself agreeing with Scott Keith on just about everything. I thing he sometimes has a clouded view of some wrestlers' matches, but aside from that he seems to enjoy wrestling plain and simple. He doesn't necessarily like all the shinanigans (sp?) going on elsewhere, but then neither do a whole lot of people. And even then, he still enjoys them WHEN THEY SERVE A PURPOSE. Plus, I have always appreciated that I could go to him and get a very unique perspective on a show, while in most places people seem more concerned with reaching a concensus then displaying an individual opinion.

And Scott Keith, you don't seem like the person who cares much about this sort of thing, but I really enjoy your reviews.
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#34 Posted on 24.7.02 2309.58
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I understand what you're saying Keith, and I agree mostly with it. Putting together a "story" in the ring has been neglected the last while. Personally, I try to keep things in the perspective that no matter how bad the angles are, it will always be settled in the ring, and that plays to *my* interest (The Art rather than the 'entertainment'). How else do you think I survived watching W-C-W (well, that and a mute button sometimes)



I don't agree with your opinion all the time (although for the most part I find that I do agree with you), but I go in reading your "rants" as exactly that, a rant (which by nature are opinionated and one-sided). I don't think there will ever be an un-opinionated recap/rant of a show.



(edited by El Nastio on 25.7.02 0012)
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#35 Posted on 25.7.02 0217.08
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I'm always a sucker for face turns. This one only took two years but...hey!

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