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#1 Posted on 22.7.02 1544.11
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Nobody's mentioned this, yet, but Scotty Keith has no new book shills...or...er....Rants up on 411wrestling.com. Could it be that he is as disdraught as our fearless leader at the ascension of Bischoff? Or...could it be that Keith is busy writing books or whatever it is he does when he's not writing rants. Or, he's off celebrating that CRZ isn't recapping...sadly. Any-hoo, let's talk! Where is the NetCarp?

EDIT: At post time, I had not seen a new Smackdown or Vengeance rant. Odds are that by now [by theBucsFan's post], he's crawled out of his hole and ranted.

(edited by Freeway420 on 22.7.02 1403)

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#2 Posted on 22.7.02 1545.40
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He has a new rant for Vengaence up at 411
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#3 Posted on 22.7.02 1639.26
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My sincere apologies for that unwarrented remark, Papercuts. Some things sound funny in your head, but a lot of the times it's more like "Hehe...it'd be funny if I was stupid enough to write that!" kind of humor. Child molestation isn't cool to joke about, and I apologise. Heck, like Keith or not, it's pretty stupid of me to even SUGGEST that he does that, especially since he most likely doesn't.

Wow. This is a very crappy way to become a Jobber To The Stars, eh?

Ah well. At least we have our SmarkRants to rely on while His Holiness CRZ is on siesta.

And, to quoth J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson in Spider-Man: "I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel."

(edited by Freeway420 on 22.7.02 1440)
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#4 Posted on 22.7.02 1736.13
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    Originally posted by Papercuts!

      Originally posted by Freeway420
      That's grounds for a libel or slander lawsuit.


    i can never which one it is either...i know one is the term for written media [libel?] and the other is for speach [slander?]

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#5 Posted on 22.7.02 1852.40
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I thought his comment on CRZ's current status was interesting:



"Since we donít have CRZ to transcribe this stuff anymore, hereís my word-for-word recap:

HHH: Blah blah blah-UH
Stephanie: ME ME ME
Eric: *munch munch munch*
Shawn: I need a drink."

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#6 Posted on 22.7.02 2242.40
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    Originally posted by Freeway420
    Nobody's mentioned this, yet, but Scotty Keith has no new book shills...or...er....Rants up on 411wrestling.com. Could it be that he is as disdraught as our fearless leader at the ascension of Bischoff? Or...could it be that Keith is busy writing books or whatever it is he does when he's not writing rants. Or, he's off celebrating that CRZ isn't recapping...sadly. Any-hoo, let's talk! Where is the NetCarp?

    EDIT: At post time, I had not seen a new Smackdown or Vengeance rant. Odds are that by now [by theBucsFan's post], he's crawled out of his hole and ranted.

    (edited by Freeway420 on 22.7.02 1403)

    (edited by Freeway420 on 22.7.02 1437)



The Vengence report is hiding in a different section, scroll down to the video review area on 411 down at the bottom. That is where I found it. Why way down there?
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#7 Posted on 22.7.02 2342.55
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Because it's 411 and they suck and can't do anything right. =)
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#8 Posted on 22.7.02 2345.41
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Keith would NEVER leave. I done 'splained it in another thread, he's a glory hound with a completely shitty real life, so he acts all big on the net by trashing the wrestling world and being sarcastic.

Anyone who continuously reads his garbage will just get more and more jaded until they start believing nothing is good any more.

He'll never go. His "fame" and "credibility" online are all he has. I respect CRZ so much for leaving all of his internet fame behind when he didn't have to do it. Even if WWE, NWA, XPW, CZW, AAA, and every other fed that gets any TV exposure closed down, Keith would be going to his local high school gym show and recap it for the 30 people who still gave a shit. And he'd STILL just bitch about it.

-K
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#9 Posted on 23.7.02 0044.54
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The RAW Rant has been posted, quite early believe it or not.
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#10 Posted on 23.7.02 1634.18
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"The Bottom Line:

That was a.weird.show. There were definitely parts I liked, but is it just me or did anyone else feel like they were watching Nitro? And I don't mean in my usual facetious manner of saying so, I mean I felt like I was actually watching Nitro, from the artificially fast pace of everything to the strange booking to the segment placement to the Eric-Stephanie angle closing the show that made no sense. And, for instance, why book an Eddy-Rock main event and then immediately make it seem pointless by yelling about how Rock is facing Lesnar at Summerslam? Why debut a tag team on a show with no tag teams?

This show was certainly entertaining due to the enthusiastic crowd and the energy of the talent involved, but it just left me with a nagging feeling of something WCW-ish afterwards."

That's not exactly bitching in my book, maybe some people do the exact same thing they accuse SK of, and bitch about him every chance they get. But hey, its cool around here to hate Scott Keith, so I probably shouldnt be "defending" him
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#11 Posted on 23.7.02 1703.53
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    Originally posted by Kjeldbjerg
    "The Bottom Line:

    That was a.weird.show. There were definitely parts I liked, but is it just me or did anyone else feel like they were watching Nitro? And I don't mean in my usual facetious manner of saying so, I mean I felt like I was actually watching Nitro, from the artificially fast pace of everything to the strange booking to the segment placement to the Eric-Stephanie angle closing the show that made no sense. And, for instance, why book an Eddy-Rock main event and then immediately make it seem pointless by yelling about how Rock is facing Lesnar at Summerslam? Why debut a tag team on a show with no tag teams?

    This show was certainly entertaining due to the enthusiastic crowd and the energy of the talent involved, but it just left me with a nagging feeling of something WCW-ish afterwards."

    That's not exactly bitching in my book, maybe some people do the exact same thing they accuse SK of, and bitch about him every chance they get. But hey, its cool around here to hate Scott Keith, so I probably shouldnt be "defending" him



The pont is, he CONTINUOUSLY focuses on the most negative things possible, and his recaps give a much darker feel to a show than one would get if reading another recap, or even watching the show itself. Not only the last show. It's been going on for years. Whathisname over at PWtorch said it was the "best Raw he's ever seen". Feedback was overwhelmingly positive there, here, and at many other boards. Keith said "I enjoyed it, but..."

Still, it is stuid to bitch about him. Anyone with any kind of status online becomes nothing if you just don't visit his or her site. Turn off the monitor, and Scott Keith becomes a mere Canadian with a shitty life and an unhealthy obsession for wrestling. That's easy enough, and that's what I do; there is no need to bitch.

As long as nobody PRAISES that talentless, self-centered, self-absorbed, joy-sucking, hack of a wannabe writer.

*smile*

-K
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#12 Posted on 23.7.02 1737.07
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    Whathisname over at PWtorch said it was the "best Raw he's ever seen". Feedback was overwhelmingly positive there, here, and at many other boards. Keith said "I enjoyed it, but..."


I really fail to see your point here. Should I not have independent thoughts about the show? I'm sure if I went from site-to-site and mimicked the opinions of the elusive "everyone else on the 'net" it'd make for a more SmooveK-friendly rant, but it'd bore the shit out of me as both a writer and a reader.

As I said in the summary, I enjoyed the show, BUT... I'm sure if the WWE hadn't been pumping out shit programming for the past two years I might be more willing to write vapid praise-pieces in place of actual opinions and analysis, but they wore out their Get Out of Jail Free card with me a long time ago and I see no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm just trying to encourage people to think a bit rather than blindly praising something that has deeper problems. Thought and discussion are good. If we -- the few, the proud, the smarks -- are as meaningless to the WWE's bottom line and booking plans as people such as yourself so frequenly proclaim, then I'm sure a little questioning rather than blind faith won't hurt, hmm? I mean, it's not like wrestlers are reading bad reviews on the 'net and throwing a hissy fit in response, is it? Oh, wait, guess it is. So obviously they ARE listening, to some degree, and thus I'm not gonna let them off the hook until they're actually producing a product I want to see again.

And furthermore, your ridiculous assertion that I "only" give negative reviews is pretty easy to disprove by looking at, for example, most of the year 2000, when I gave just about every PPV that the WWF put on a positive review.

So in conclusion, your problem seems to be that I have high standards in what entertains me. To which I reply "Yeah, and...?"



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#13 Posted on 23.7.02 1951.38
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    SmooveK said:

    Whathisname over at PWtorch said it was the "best Raw he's ever seen". Feedback was overwhelmingly positive there, here, and at many other boards. Keith said "I enjoyed it, but..."


Two things:

1. Keith is a critic. Critics are pretty much guaranteed to say, ``I enjoyed it, but...''

2. I patently disagree that the response to last night's show here at Wienerville was overwhelmingly positive. In fact, I stopped reading the wrestling forum after a few threads due to what I considered to be pointless negativity in the ``It's not cool to like the WWE product right now'' vein.



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#14 Posted on 23.7.02 2015.05
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Before I reply to a quote, let me say that Vengance was the first PPV I bought in four months. I think we're all in agreement that WWE has been putting out a sub-par product at times.

However, I'd put Sunday's PPV in the "good start for a hopeful comeback" column. My standards were lowered a bit, and they scored IMO. I've always looked at rating a PPV (hell, movies as well) on the basis of "Did I get my money's worth?" I felt I did -- even with the $5 bump.

Meanwhile, the aka of Scott Keith said:

"So obviously they ARE listening, to some degree, and thus I'm not gonna let them off the hook until they're actually producing a product I want to see again."

Scott -- I don't have a problem with what you do; you're in a handful of people that recap. I don't have the time to do that. You also shouldn't have to change your recap to anyone's liking.

However, the "I'm not going to let them off the hook until they're doing what *I* want" quote is what gets me.

Stomp your feet as much as you want... they're not going to change just for *you.*

Smarks are part of the audience, but we're not all part of it. Should the WWE listen to the IWC? Sure. Should they base their product solely off us? No. Deal with it.
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#15 Posted on 23.7.02 2025.10
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I've done a lot of Scott Keith hating in my day, but all that changed after I read today's Rant. I'm not saying I'm a fan now or anything, but I think you'll (you = people in general) enjoy SK more if you look at his Rants as more of a "Watch the show, then check out what *this* guy thought of it", than a "I missed the show/part of the show, let me read this Rant to get myself caught up" kind of thing.

Thats what I did anyway, but what the hell do I know?
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#16 Posted on 23.7.02 2309.32
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    Originally posted by rspwfaq
    So in conclusion, your problem seems to be that I have high standards in what entertains me. To which I reply "Yeah, and...?"



    (edited by rspwfaq on 23.7.02 1638)



NO. ABSOLUTELY WRONG. The problem is that you have YOUR standards in what entertains you. YOUR definition of good, well, isn't. Not to everybody. And the fact that you use the phrase "high standards" indicates that you DON'T understand that.

What does it take to have a perfect show for you? Well, whatever it is, it would NOT be the perfect show for anybody else. And the idea that the ideas and angles in your mind should be the ones run, well, I think Teppen-Yaki said that much more politely than I would.

You are nobody special. And no, you shouldn't make your rants "Smoove K friendly", nor should you make them "Scott Keith friendly". And since they are not on my site, I don't feel it would be right for me to tell you to change a damn thing. But, if you'll take a SUGGESTION, I think you should leave out all of the "the WWE SHOULD do this" or "HHH is keeping THIS GUY down" stuff out of the actual in-ring match action, because it reads SO smugly. That kind of stuff belongs in a seperate section of the rant, and including it taints the image of the match for the reader, even if YOU know the difference. If you realize that the writer has large power over the WAY a reader reads a text, then you realize that, in your style, opinions and facts have a way of meshing (and I hope you, and everyone else, realizes that your opinions are NOT facts). I also hope that it's not what you're trying to do, but a reader who is neutral with your rants WILL come away thinking more like you if he doesn't realize what is opinion and what is not. Keep the "he botched that spot"s, the "methinks he screwed up there"s, and the "the crowd doesn't like that"s. Keep the "Booker is on, baby!"s, the "Angle rules"s, and the "I've seen better from these two"s. It is only that which would not be obvious to an observant fan and that is not commentary for the match itself that needs to be moved. With match-irrelevant opinions kept away from facts in seperate paragraphs, the writing becomes more respectable and less "What I think is TRUE, DAMMIT!"

Of course, that's just my suggestion. Perhaps enough people enjoy them as they are. But I and many others read the rants as you bashing anything that isn't up to your standard of excellence, and at the same time suggesting that you know more than the WWE in how to write storylines. And, if what Hyatte says is true (which I'm not saying is), the WWE has disagreed with that thought on many occasions.

You know, I really like XPW. I like the goofy angles, and the valets who call each other "cunt" for shock value. Also, I like seeing Kaos/Chris Hamric/Psichosis ladder matches that go on for 15 minutes. I like seeing a green kid 99% of the wrestling audience will likely never see named Luke the Alter Boy bust out the best move I've ever seen live. Half of XPW I treat like JCW, and just laugh at the absurd nature, giving me a kind of mindless entertainment. The other half I appreciate for the great effort and wrestling put forth. It's not perfect, but this is the wrestling entertainment *I* enjoy the most. Yet, I don't try to tell everyone to watch it, and think the way I think, because I KNOW it's not for everyone. You, I would hazard to guess, would call Supreme "talentless". Just like you've called Undertaker "nothing" and Sabu a "geek show". I would disagree with you on all accounts, but I can still understand how people would find my opinion on XPW absurd.

Can you at least understand the position others would have in feeling that YOUR ideas are absurd? If you can't, then you likely will always be disappointed when wrestling is never quite up to YOUR standards.

But then, that's just how I see it. Maybe I just have the wrong impression. And what I think probably shouldn't matter to anyone else, anyway. Could the same hold true for Scott Keith?

-K
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#17 Posted on 23.7.02 2331.02
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DJFrostyFreeze is right. SK is much more tolerable if you accept that you are not getting a straight up informational quasi-unbiased recap of Raw when you go there, and instead acknowledge you are getting Raw through SK's eyes. If you disagree with SK, then don't read him. It'll help keep your blood pressure down in the end.

But ultimately, he has as much right to post his biased opinion of Raw as we do to post our biased opinions of his recaps. Its just that his posts are done as the main recapper for a site, while ours are directed at this message board here.

And for the record, I think CRZ left because he never got full credit for starting "YOU CAN'T POWERBOMB KIDMAN!"
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#18 Posted on 23.7.02 2343.19
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    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    DJFrostyFreeze is right. SK is much more tolerable if you accept that you are not getting a straight up informational quasi-unbiased recap of Raw when you go there, and instead acknowledge you are getting Raw through SK's eyes. If you disagree with SK, then don't read him. It'll help keep your blood pressure down in the end.

    But ultimately, he has as much right to post his biased opinion of Raw as we do to post our biased opinions of his recaps. Its just that his posts are done as the main recapper for a site, while ours are directed at this message board here.

    And for the record, I think CRZ left because he never got full credit for starting "YOU CAN'T POWERBOMB KIDMAN!"



Yep, that was my point. It's just that people who don't know to "accept that you are not getting a straight up informational quasi-unbiased recap of Raw when you go there". A lot of people are introduced to internet wrestling rants through Scott Keith, and don't know this. It was so for me years ago. And even for people who know about the IWC and don't dislike the rants, I don't think it's a positive influence.

But, you know, it IS my opinion. And I agree with your opinion about Scott Keith deserving to share his opinion... in a positive way.

What is NOT my opinion, though, is that that is the reason why CRZ left. MY opinion is that CRZ was abducted by space aliens who baited him by disguising themselves as Steve Blackman wearing the Undisputed title and the Triple Crown.

-K
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#19 Posted on 23.7.02 2347.11
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I assume you mean the aliens that really look like Elvis. you know, the group The Honky Tonk Man is from.

OMFG! CRZ WAS KIDNAPPED BY TEH HONKY TONK MAN WHO WAS IMPERSONATING STEVE BALCKAMAN!!!!
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#20 Posted on 23.7.02 2352.02
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    Originally posted by SmooveK

      Originally posted by EddieBurkett
      DJFrostyFreeze is right. SK is much more tolerable if you accept that you are not getting a straight up informational quasi-unbiased recap of Raw when you go there, and instead acknowledge you are getting Raw through SK's eyes. If you disagree with SK, then don't read him. It'll help keep your blood pressure down in the end.

      But ultimately, he has as much right to post his biased opinion of Raw as we do to post our biased opinions of his recaps. Its just that his posts are done as the main recapper for a site, while ours are directed at this message board here.

      And for the record, I think CRZ left because he never got full credit for starting "YOU CAN'T POWERBOMB KIDMAN!"



    Yep, that was my point. It's just that people who don't know to "accept that you are not getting a straight up informational quasi-unbiased recap of Raw when you go there". A lot of people are introduced to internet wrestling rants through Scott Keith, and don't know this. It was so for me years ago. And even for people who know about the IWC and don't dislike the rants, I don't think it's a positive influence.

    But, you know, it IS my opinion. And I agree with your opinion about Scott Keith deserving to share his opinion... in a positive way.

    What is NOT my opinion, though, is that that is the reason why CRZ left. MY opinion is that CRZ was abducted by space aliens who baited him by disguising themselves as Steve Blackman wearing the Undisputed title and the Triple Crown.

    -K



dude, he ain't writing this stuff to present just the fact and to recap the show. He named them "Rants" for a reason. It is full of his opinion and some wrestling is in there too...


Like someone has said before about Keith...if you are so upset with his opinions and writing style, don't read him anymore...

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