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#1 Posted on 14.9.11 1110.12
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Batman and Robin #1. I see DC's penchant for murder and grotesque ultra-violence that they developed in the 2000s continues in the revamped New 52 universe. That said, this was an entertaining introduction to Bruce Wayne working along side his son Damian. As his father navel-gazed, pledging to stop dwelling in his parents' death and start celebrating their lives, Damian got all the good lines: "This constant tribute to death's a waste of time." "Dead is dead. I'm glad you're putting this sentimental nonsense behind you." And my favorite: "You were easier to look up to when you weren't around." I know just what Robin means. Batman and Robin leap into action to foil a chemical theft at Gotham University. Meanwhile, in the grotesque murder department, a new villain with a Bat symbol on his chest named Nobody brutalizes and executes the Batman Inc. of Russia. Boiled in acid, like Terminator 2. And like the Terminator, thumbs up. For Batman and Robin.

Green Lantern #1: I haven't read any Green Lantern since the start of the Sinestro Corps War. Apparently, you were expected to keep up with all things Green Lantern because Geoff Johns provides no backstory or catch up details for any new readers. Sinestro is now a Green Lantern despite being imprisoned on OA and the Guardians let him go on his merry way with the green ring and Lantern. Meanwhile, Hal Jordan is no longer a Green Lantern, is back on Earth, broke, and pisses off Carol Ferris for asking her to co-sign a lease on a new car. Sinestro has a fatal confontation with a Sinestro Corps member when he finds his homeworld Korugar has been enslaved by the Sinestro Corps, and he shows up at the end with some new scheme to get Hal Jordan's help in exchange for his ring back. Oh, and the Guardians seemingly lobotomize Ganthet for talking back to them. Don't argue with the Guardians, Guardian! The whole book took like 5 minutes to read. Eh.

Suicide Squad #1 is no great shakes. Although I like the absurdity of the Hammerhead Shark Man, whatever his name is. I consider that guy good goofy looking as opposed to Harley Quinn's unfortunate bustier costume (puddin'). Biggest news to report out of Suicide Squad: Amanda Waller is like 200 lbs lighter! I guess to synch up better to Angela Bassett playing her in Green Lantern. So where are the people complaining that Amanda Waller is no longer fat? The most powerful and most dangerous fat black woman in comics was just beautified into a supermodel. Where is the outrage? Diversity!

Batwoman #1: Beautiful art. I had no idea what was going on. Is every woman in this book a lesbian? Diversity!

Superboy #1: I dug this. Never read the old Teen Titans or Young Justice so I had no attachment to Conner Kent. That's not even who this new Superboy is. Caitlin Fairchild as "Red" is kind of weird. The VR Smallville reality was kind of interesting, especially how Superboy was clearly in the Kent Farm by a different name, but they didn't use "Hubbard" since Geoff Johns brought the Richard Donner movies' Ben Hubbard neighboring farm into continuity. Interesting, too, how they somehow don't know Lex Luthor (presumably) is the human half of Superboy's genetic makeup. I'm not sure how Superboy is "the most powerful living weapon on the planet" (more powerful than Superman, a full Kryptonian?) but whatever.

Deathstroke #1. I miss Wintergreen. Whatever happened to Wintergreen, Slade's old man servant? They had a prime opportunity in this reboot to re-design Deathstroke's colors so the supposed most bad ass metahuman killer on Earth isn't wearing orange and blue, but they blew it. The story was okay; the cadre of nerds Deathstroke suddenly had working for him weren't nearly as amusing as how Deathstroke dismissed them from his service. I liked the idea of the clones with Clayface DNA, but overall the book felt sparse and light on details.

Nothing this week had the quality of Action Comics or Animal Man or Swamp Thing. I liked Batman and Robin the best of the bunch and it's the only one I'm probably going to follow a bit longer, just because I dug Damian Wayne. But overall, Week 2 was a bit of a letdown.

Let me make an amendment to the previous paragraph. I just read:

Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E #1. What a weird book. Weirdly awesome. From Jeff Lemire, author of Animal Man, and leave it to him to deliver the New 52 book of the week (again). Holy shit, this was weird. It's the Frankenstein monster! He fights evil monsters and has for over a century! And he vacations on Mars! And he's estranged from Bride of Frankenstein. And he says, "Hrmm" like Rorschach. His boss is a man in a little girl's cloned body. And the S.H.A.D.E. base is a city in a 3 inch sphere flying across the world microsized by shrink technology created by Ray Palmer. And then the Creature Commandos show up. And they fight monsters. This is preposterously entertaining, like a creature feature League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

Let me amend the prior amendment:

Resurrection Man #1. I'd never heard of Resurrection Man, but it turns out to be a strange riff on Highlander, with a man who dies and comes back but with a different superpower every resurrection. Plus he's being hunted by demons from Hell and supernatural forces from Heaven. I like how he has to figure out what new power he has every time he comes back to life. This was really good.

A final amendment:

Grifter #1. What if Sawyer from LOST hears voices in his head? I don't know the character of Grifter from the kerchief he wears over his face, but I know a Sawyer knockoff when I see him, freckles. Art's really good, but it's a quick, decompressed flip through, all set up. Interesting, though, that like Resurrection Man, a lot of the pivotal action revolves around fighting the supernatural in an airplane mid-flight. Last week, Swamp Thing and Animal Man shared a common theme of dead animals coming back to life. I wonder if this is intentional?

Final final amendment:

Demon Knights #1. What the hell? Etrigan doesn't rhyme. Why doesn't he rhyme? Nevertheless, I liked this a lot. Camelot, Merlin, Excalibur, Mordred, Madam Xanadu, Vandal Savage, the Shining Knight (not the one I remember), dragons! The DC Dark Ages is pretty weird and establishes that King Arthur was real in the New DCU. This is the second appearance of Madame Xanadu this week; she also appears at the end of Resurrection Man.

All right, DC, that's it! I can't read any more of your gd [copyright Grant Morrison] comics this week! You're bleeding me dry.

(edited by John Orquiola on 15.9.11 0932)
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#2 Posted on 14.9.11 1233.49
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So wait,

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Batman is putting his parent's death behind him? The Waynes are now basically avenged?
(Should that be a spoiler?)

I don;t really see that lasting long. The last time something like that happened (Zero Hour) it got ignored pretty quickly.
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#3 Posted on 14.9.11 1244.04
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It had more to do with Batman's decision to use Wayne Enterprises to redevelop Crime Alley into a better neighborhood as a means of making sure no one goes through what he went through as a victim of violent crime in that particular spot in Gotham. Though violent crime could occur in that location just as easily if it were an upscale neighborhood and not one of Gotham's slums.

I never did understand why billionaire doctor Thomas Wayne chose to take his family to a slum to watch an old black and white Zorro movie in a movie theater. You could say, well, all of Gotham was violent and dangerous. But was "Crime Alley" called that before or after the Waynes were shot there?

Who knows.



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#4 Posted on 14.9.11 1445.41
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Yeah, that is one of the drawbacks of modernizing the origin stories of the various heroes. Even the best parts of town in the early to mid '20s, really even into the 60s and 70s were basically equivalent to what most people would term the "bad part of town."

Crime was rampant, police were fairly incompetent (compared to today's standards) and if a crime were committed in an alley with no witnesses, like the Waynes' deaths there was every chance the robber/killer would get away.

ETA: Interesting that Caitlin Fairchild is one of the main characters in Superboy.

ETA 2: Not Gates!

Does *everybody* in the DcnU have some kind of design element in the knee region? I didn't even notice Batman's until I was reading through Suicide Squad.

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#5 Posted on 15.9.11 0650.21
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola


    Suicide Squad #1 is no great shakes. Although I like the absurdity of the Hammerhead Shark Man, whatever his name is. I consider that guy good goofy looking as opposed to Harley Quinn's unfortunate bustier costume (puddin'). Biggest news to report out of Suicide Squad: Amanda Waller is like 200 lbs lighter! I guess to synch up better to Angela Bassett playing her in Green Lantern. So where are the people complaining that Amanda Waller is no longer fat? The most powerful and most dangerous fat black woman in comics was just beautified into a supermodel. Where is the outrage? Diversity!
    (edited by John Orquiola on 14.9.11 1853)


Haven't read my books yet (suicide Squad, Green Lantern, Demon Knights), but yeah I saw online people are PISSED Amanda Waller has gone from heavyset to supermodel. There are some pretty funny reactions on twitter and over at comicsalliance.com
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#6 Posted on 15.9.11 0716.43
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I think Bruce giving up the Wayne Foundation is just as stupid as putting Superman in jeans. One of things about the Wayne Foundation is that it was the legitimate wing of Bruce carrying on his parents' work. Being Batman is illegal and we still question if he is doing it for his parents or himself. At least with the Wayne Foundation, there was something people could point to and say this is something that goes beyond dressing up as a Bat and being the shit out of people. It really reeks of forcing a change for the sake of changing something to do with Batman since god forbid any at DC fuck around with Morrison's work.

Crime Alley, I believe was named after the Wayne's death. You could make an argument that either Zorro was only playing at that theater which was in the slums or the area was such a safe place that the Waynes getting killed their was a giant shock that resulted in the area turning into a slum. Either way, I can see it happening due to most of the theaters that run classic movies are not in the best parts of town or Thomas was busy someone many times that the movie went to a second run theater yet they dressed up either due to Thomas' old ways or to make it special for Bruce.

(edited by lotjx on 15.9.11 0717)
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#7 Posted on 15.9.11 0716.54
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I think I may have already used up all the outrage I had for Suicide Squad. We've already gone on at length about the costume design for Harley, and I personally can't stand the Deadshot redesign either. Also, I think Adam Glass is terrible. So the Waller thing is just one more on top of a bunch of stuff I already hated. Now, I can fully justify not buying the book, despite how much I love the Suicide Squad concept.
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#8 Posted on 15.9.11 0744.44
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I think I may have already used up all the outrage I had for Suicide Squad. We've already gone on at length about the costume design for Harley, and I personally can't stand the Deadshot redesign either. Also, I think Adam Glass is terrible. So the Waller thing is just one more on top of a bunch of stuff I already hated. Now, I can fully justify not buying the book, despite how much I love the Suicide Squad concept.


Yup, I haven't read it yet, but I have a feeling I will be telling my shop to swap out suicide squad for animal man (which was phenomenal) on my pull list.
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#9 Posted on 15.9.11 1040.01
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    Originally posted by lotjx
    Crime Alley, I believe was named after the Wayne's death. You could make an argument that either Zorro was only playing at that theater which was in the slums or the area was such a safe place that the Waynes getting killed their was a giant shock that resulted in the area turning into a slum. Either way, I can see it happening due to most of the theaters that run classic movies are not in the best parts of town or Thomas was busy someone many times that the movie went to a second run theater yet they dressed up either due to Thomas' old ways or to make it special for Bruce.

    (edited by lotjx on 15.9.11 0717)


There are many different versions of the origin, but (if I remember correctly) the "Untold Legend of Batman" series (which was more of a synthesis of everything that had come before and the touchstone of work since) suggested that the Alley got its name BECAUSE of the Wayne Family murder .

It was originally named "Park Row" and was a high end district with a ritzy high-class theatre.

Keep in mind that when the comic first said that the film was playing Mark of Zorro (in 1939), they were talking about the Douglas Fairbanks 1920 silent version in its initial release and (at that time) the movie theatre would have been an upscale movie palace in a good neighbourhood. (Else why would you wear pearls to the theatre?)

The time-slip of comics always happening in the eternal now has changed some of the meanings, but the idea has always been that the Wayne's murders is the (trigger/first symptom) of the disintegration of Park Row into Crime Alley.
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#10 Posted on 15.9.11 1056.30
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In another few years, young Bruce will have been inspired by the Antonio Banderas Zorro movie.
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#11 Posted on 15.9.11 1109.01
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    Originally posted by odessasteps
    In another few years, young Bruce will have been inspired by the Antonio Banderas Zorro movie.


Better than young Bruce being inspired by Zorro The Gay Blade (imdb.com)
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#12 Posted on 15.9.11 1130.38
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by odessasteps
      In another few years, young Bruce will have been inspired by the Antonio Banderas Zorro movie.


    Better than young Bruce being inspired by Zorro The Gay Blade (imdb.com)

Knightfall is pretty close.
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#13 Posted on 15.9.11 1430.57
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I have to say, I'm already looking forward to the day an adult Damian Wayne becomes Batman. I liked Dick Grayson as Batman, but Damian one day wearing cowl would open up a whole new avenue of Batman stories. If people think Bruce Wayne is an asshole as Batman, wait until his son is the Dark Knight.

Looking ahead to the near future, I can't wait for Damian's mom and grandfather show up. I always liked the Al-Ghuls.
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#14 Posted on 15.9.11 2006.57
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    I have to say, I'm already looking forward to the day an adult Damian Wayne becomes Batman. I liked Dick Grayson as Batman, but Damian one day wearing cowl would open up a whole new avenue of Batman stories. If people think Bruce Wayne is an asshole as Batman, wait until his son is the Dark Knight.

    Looking ahead to the near future, I can't wait for Damian's mom and grandfather show up. I always liked the Al-Ghuls.


I think he'd be similar to Azbats in personality. Reeks of a 90's EDGY~! antihero.

I'm not nearly as keen on Damien as most. I think a lot of it has to do with how easily he slipped into the Robin role after trying to murder Tim early on. I would have liked to have some sense of him earning it.

Re: Crime Alley. Somewhere (maybe Burton's film) the Wayne's are taking a shortcut. I prefer to the "it went down the tubes after the high profile murder" route.
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#15 Posted on 15.9.11 2033.03
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Damien as Batman has to end bloody. I can't imagine the rest of the DCU letting him do whatever he wants. Bruce and Dick have their respect and trust, I think Clark would even drop kick this kid as he is now let alone when he grows up. I'd rather fast forward to Terry McGuiness and an old bitter Bruce Wayne. Batman Beyond was criminally underrated.
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#16 Posted on 16.9.11 1736.47
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Another Damian question: He is Ibn Al Xu'ffasch, right? As established by Kingdom Come. That's his name too, or was his birth name before he took on "Damian Wayne"?
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#17 Posted on 17.9.11 1649.05
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I'm no expert on things Kingdom Come, but it is my understanding that Ibn IS the son of Talia and Bruce. However, KC is not the same continuity and I believe is one of the 52 worlds.

So he is, but he isn't. They are both the sons of Talia and Bruce, but different people since they are on different worlds. Kind of like how Lex Luthor and Alexander Luthor aren't the same character.
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#18 Posted on 17.9.11 2226.18
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Isnt alexander luthor the son of earth 3 lex and lois lane?

Our lex would be the equivalent of the father not the son.

And damien could grow to be ibn on earth 1.

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#19 Posted on 18.9.11 1357.11
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Red Lanterns #1 - Gotta love how Johns' toys didn't get messed up by Flashpoint. Like GL, there are no changes to where we left off pre-FP. Straight forward book, but I really like Atroscitous and Dex-Starr.
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