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#21 Posted on 5.7.11 1338.19
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    Originally posted by dwaters

    If they were worried, just have security make sure they take the belt before he leaves.


Punk's going to grab the belt and run out thru the crowd to a waiting getaway car before security can get to him!

(and the security will just walk up to the car and knock on the window when they're stuck in the awful Allstate Arena traffic.)
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#22 Posted on 5.7.11 1500.28
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I know back in the day Gorilla Monsoon claimed it was something like '15 pounds of gold'. You can't blame Vince for wanting to hold onto something like that.

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#23 Posted on 5.7.11 1502.32
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So, wait, why can't McMahon just fire Punk now?
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#24 Posted on 5.7.11 1505.24
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His number one star would be upset and may take his ball and go home. So to appease him, his opponent of choice has been re-instated.
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#25 Posted on 5.7.11 1523.35
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    Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
    His number one star would be upset and may take his ball and go home. So to appease him, his opponent of choice has been re-instated.


If I read this right then, we should see Vince's threat to fire Cena (but not Punk) as Vince losing it and going for the nuclear option. Punk, it can be argued, said his comments to the WWE universe, but Cena said his mind to Vince's face. That makes a better sense than Vince being more willing to lose Cena than Punk, who's out the door by month's end anyway.
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#26 Posted on 5.7.11 1636.27
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Exactly, insulting your boss *to his face,* when you've been chummy up until then, will set them off like nothing else.

Tweener Vince is a fairly interesting character option.
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#27 Posted on 5.7.11 1714.09
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
      His number one star would be upset and may take his ball and go home. So to appease him, his opponent of choice has been re-instated.


    If I read this right then, we should see Vince's threat to fire Cena (but not Punk) as Vince losing it and going for the nuclear option. Punk, it can be argued, said his comments to the WWE universe, but Cena said his mind to Vince's face. That makes a better sense than Vince being more willing to lose Cena than Punk, who's out the door by month's end anyway.


I took it more as not wanting to lose the champ. If Cena's no longer the champ, he's fireable. He wants to suspend Punk so he can't leave as the champ. It's not the person, it's the sanctity of the title that Vince is fighting for.
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#28 Posted on 5.7.11 1822.46
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I thought the show was done well and I think the only reason people are complaining is that they JUST did a "Cena Fired" angle that had no teeth. And that is why you don't overuse these types of angles and then not pay them off, when you need them, they are meaningless.

But I LIKE the title being important again.

From wwe.com:

"Eight SmackDown Superstars will compete in one of the explosive contests, battling for the right to challenge a WWE World Champion at any time, at any place, for up to one year."

So that opens up the possibilities. And is it possible we get a DOUBLE switch? Or TWO cash ins?

Looking at the participants of both MITB's, I think the most likely outcome is Miz saving WWE from Punk and turning face. Also possible would be Rey because of his history with Punk.
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#29 Posted on 5.7.11 1922.12
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    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo


    Looking at the participants of both MITB's, I think the most likely outcome is Miz saving WWE from Punk and turning face. Also possible would be Rey because of his history with Punk.


I think if anyone's gonna do it, it'll be Rey. He's been World Heavyweight Champion twice but has never held the WWE Championship, and as one of the biggest babyfaces on the roster, a title win by Rey is a great way to send the fans home happy.
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#30 Posted on 5.7.11 2012.36
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    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    So that opens up the possibilities. And is it possible we get a DOUBLE switch? Or TWO cash ins?


I am now amused by the possibility of Vince sending both winners out there, one after the other, to try and get the title off of Punk, only to have both fail and thus no MITB drama until Wrestlemania.
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#31 Posted on 5.7.11 2225.25
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Having Punk beat Cena and BOTH MitB winners in one night would be EPIC.
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#32 Posted on 6.7.11 0035.40
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    a title win by Rey is a great way to send the fans home happy.


This would be true with a lot of audiences, but not with CM Punk in Chicago. They may try, but I don't know that it'll be possible to turn that audience against Punk at MitB.

Kinda want to go this. I've convinced myself it's going to be a Event with a capital E, and I do like those. But $25+$20 parking dampens my enthusiasm.
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#33 Posted on 6.7.11 0314.06
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If they only do one cash-in, I still say: Miz.

But if they do two, the Raw cash-in has to come first (because it's about the WWE title) and fail. Therefore I would say: R-Truth? He could live with being the first ever MitB winner to not cash in successfully. It would give him one more reason to complain about a conspiracy.

But then, of course, the second guy cashing-in and winning would have to be from SmackDown and credible enough to go home with the belt. And who could that be? Daniel Bryan??? They'd never do that, right? And it would need a loooooong and great match between him and Punk (after a probably long Punk/Cena match and R-Truth's cash-in) to get him over as a credible champ in the eyes of the WWE Universe. But who else then?
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#34 Posted on 6.7.11 0359.30
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Of course, the most likely result of the pay-per-view would simply be that Cena defeats Punk, and that'll probably be what I go with in the upcoming prediction thread.
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#35 Posted on 6.7.11 0522.08
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Nah. I think Cena leaving with the belt is a strong possibility, but I don't think it'll just be a straight match with him vanquishing Punk and nothing else.
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#36 Posted on 6.7.11 0747.11
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Cena beating Punk clean would be the worst possible outcome, but it wouldn't surprise me. If that happens, then Punk is gone for the time being. It would be hilarious if Punk convinced Vince to let him leave by putting Cena over in a big way and ended up getting himself over more than any point in his career.

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#37 Posted on 6.7.11 0820.25
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    Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
        Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
        His number one star would be upset and may take his ball and go home. So to appease him, his opponent of choice has been re-instated.


      If I read this right then, we should see Vince's threat to fire Cena (but not Punk) as Vince losing it and going for the nuclear option. Punk, it can be argued, said his comments to the WWE universe, but Cena said his mind to Vince's face. That makes a better sense than Vince being more willing to lose Cena than Punk, who's out the door by month's end anyway.


    I took it more as not wanting to lose the champ. If Cena's no longer the champ, he's fireable. He wants to suspend Punk so he can't leave as the champ. It's not the person, it's the sanctity of the title that Vince is fighting for.
I think this is closest to what they're going for, or at least what they should be going for. The way I think this is all meant to be playing out so far is that if Punk quits and leaves with the title, Vince's take is that he knows that whoever the next champion is, no matter how he earns the title, he'll never truly be the WWE Champion, since the "true" champ made a public point of walking out undefeated. Basically, the WWE Championship is meaningless for ever after if Punk walks away without having lost the belt. And if Cena can never be the "real" WWE Champion for Vince again, then he's essentially worthless to him, on top of the insult of being the guy who failed to save the title.

I don't they've presented this as clearly as they could, but they still have another week (and have now had two weeks to think about it), and that segment was done with no time to gauge reaction by two guys not nearly as good as working free form like that as Punk did just two hours earlier. It's a little odd that Punk's side of the angle is so shoot-y but they don't have Vince connecting the dots for everyone by saying what he's implying (that this is the exact crisis he faced with Bret, which would even up the intrigue by planting the seeds for a potential Cena turn). And it would have been helpful for them to address the Nexus firing, even with a simple line from Vince about Cena being dumb enough to get himself in a situation where the Nexus got him fired and Vince needed to step in and let him back on the show, and how that helped shake Vince's confidence that Cena wouldn't be dumb enough to lose when the stakes are even higher now.

But they've at least implied most of that, and still have a week to tweak it, with hopes that this is going somewhere bigger with more Punk presence. I think the biggest hole so far is that the Smackdown title kind of gets thrown under the bus a little more, since the implication is that Punk would be leaving with the title that actually matters. If Orton was still the World Heavyweight Champion at night's end, that would undercut the sting of Punk leaving, since Orton had just gotten a decisive win over the departed phantom champ and would theoretically be the de facto WWE champion.
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#38 Posted on 6.7.11 1008.38
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan

      a title win by Rey is a great way to send the fans home happy.


    This would be true with a lot of audiences, but not with CM Punk in Chicago. They may try, but I don't know that it'll be possible to turn that audience against Punk at MitB.

    Kinda want to go this. I've convinced myself it's going to be a Event with a capital E, and I do like those. But $25+$20 parking dampens my enthusiasm.

They hooked me, and I haven't paid to see a WWE event since back when they still had the F in their name. Part of me thinks I might finally see a real live riot at a rasslin' show if Punk does lose to Cena. Part of me is way too optimistic sometimes.

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#39 Posted on 6.7.11 1123.45
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Kinda want to go this. I've convinced myself it's going to be a Event with a capital E, and I do like those. But $25+$20 parking dampens my enthusiasm.


Public transportation?
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#40 Posted on 6.7.11 1149.14
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    Originally posted by AlbySure
      Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Kinda want to go this. I've convinced myself it's going to be a Event with a capital E, and I do like those. But $25+$20 parking dampens my enthusiasm.


    Public transportation?


Associate myself with the commoners? Are you mad?

($5 parking at Rosemont + $1.75 Allstate Express each way is cheap enough for me to actually do.)
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