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Lexus
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#21 Posted on 13.6.11 2130.46
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I think only one NL team is moving leagues. Dodgers, Giants, Cubs, Phillies, Mets are immediately out due to media and age of team. In honesty, Colorado, Arizona, and the Marlins are top picks due to age, but I think if anything the Pittsburgh Pirates should have to leave the league due to poor performance.
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#22 Posted on 13.6.11 2133.16
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I'D assume "age of team" would also apply to Reds, Cards and Pirates.

You can bet Marlins would love to be in a AL division with Yankees, as it would tremendously boost attendance.
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#23 Posted on 13.6.11 2241.03
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    Originally posted by Lexus
    I think only one NL team is moving leagues. Dodgers, Giants, Cubs, Phillies, Mets are immediately out due to media and age of team. In honesty, Colorado, Arizona, and the Marlins are top picks due to age, but I think if anything the Pittsburgh Pirates should have to leave the league due to poor performance.


I forget if it was Olney or someone else who brought it up, but since the Astros are for sale the move to the AL can be forced as part of the ownership approval. Plus, like the Brewers, only one pennant and no titles so you're not futzing with history like if you move the Pirates or another charter (read: circa 1901) franchise. The only disadvantage there is having the two Texas teams in the same league, but with just about every game televised in brilliant HD...meh, whatever.
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#24 Posted on 15.6.11 1510.33
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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    I like the idea of doing away with divisions, but I wish they would go even further and do away with the separate leagues and have just a 30 team single table league.


The big argument against even two 15-team tables would be TV. I'm sure the MLB executives wouldn't be thrilled with a Mets/Phillies/Braves/Reds-foursome in the NL playoffs...Cincinnati being the furthest western team.

Having said that...if they are gonna have divisions I would prefer to see them weighting the schedules slightly and trying to make them fair...and with six five-team divisions you can do that and get to 162 games.

Match-up the divisions (like AL East vs. NL East) and play two series against each team...so you get 15 home and 15 away interleague games but all the teams in each division have the same interleague sked so there is not scheduling advantage to any one team.

That leaves 132 games left to schedule...if you play 8 games versus each of your ten non-division league opponents, that's 80 games, leaving 52 left, which is 13 each versus you four divisional opponents.
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#25 Posted on 15.6.11 1540.15
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    Originally posted by odessasteps

    I'D assume "age of team" would also apply to Reds, Cards and Pirates.


Indeed, those would be other examples. You get the gist of it.

    Originally posted by PeterStork

    I forget if it was Olney or someone else who brought it up, but since the Astros are for sale the move to the AL can be forced as part of the ownership approval. Plus, like the Brewers, only one pennant and no titles so you're not futzing with history like if you move the Pirates or another charter (read: circa 1901) franchise. The only disadvantage there is having the two Texas teams in the same league, but with just about every game televised in brilliant HD...meh, whatever.


Interstate rivalry could be a boon. Dodgers/Giants works, though there is a lot of history between the two teams. It doesn't work when one team is clearly a lame duck, or seen as such. I like to think sportswriters, bloggers, and message board enthusiasts could find interest and appreciate the bravado of the rivalry, especially since now they'd be playing for all the marbles in one league than as a step above exhibition competition.

    Originally posted by JayJayDean

    Having said that...if they are gonna have divisions I would prefer to see them weighting the schedules slightly and trying to make them fair...and with six five-team divisions you can do that and get to 162 games.

    Match-up the divisions (like AL East vs. NL East) and play two series against each team...so you get 15 home and 15 away interleague games but all the teams in each division have the same interleague sked so there is not scheduling advantage to any one team.

    That leaves 132 games left to schedule...if you play 8 games versus each of your ten non-division league opponents, that's 80 games, leaving 52 left, which is 13 each versus you four divisional opponents.


This makes sense. Fund it.
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#26 Posted on 15.6.11 2325.33
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by Zeruel
      I like the idea of doing away with divisions, but I wish they would go even further and do away with the separate leagues and have just a 30 team single table league.


    The big argument against even two 15-team tables would be TV. I'm sure the MLB executives wouldn't be thrilled with a Mets/Phillies/Braves/​Reds-foursome in the NL playoffs...Cincinnati being the furthest western team.

    Having said that...if they are gonna have divisions I would prefer to see them weighting the schedules slightly and trying to make them fair...and with six five-team divisions you can do that and get to 162 games.

    Match-up the divisions (like AL East vs. NL East) and play two series against each team...so you get 15 home and 15 away interleague games but all the teams in each division have the same interleague sked so there is not scheduling advantage to any one team.

    That leaves 132 games left to schedule...if you play 8 games versus each of your ten non-division league opponents, that's 80 games, leaving 52 left, which is 13 each versus you four divisional opponents.


Nice, but if they plan on adding an extra wild card, make it 12 games against division rivals. That way the season ends a couple days early enough for a best 0f 3 wild card playoff without the season starting earlier in March or later in November.
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#27 Posted on 19.6.11 2157.30
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    Originally posted by Lexus
      Originally posted by JayJayDean

      Having said that...if they are gonna have divisions I would prefer to see them weighting the schedules slightly and trying to make them fair...and with six five-team divisions you can do that and get to 162 games.

      Match-up the divisions (like AL East vs. NL East) and play two series against each team...so you get 15 home and 15 away interleague games but all the teams in each division have the same interleague sked so there is not scheduling advantage to any one team.

      That leaves 132 games left to schedule...if you play 8 games versus each of your ten non-division league opponents, that's 80 games, leaving 52 left, which is 13 each versus you four divisional opponents.


    This makes sense. Fund it.


"Fund it"? What does THAT mean?
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#28 Posted on 19.6.11 2236.41
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They won't get rid of the current division format because no way ESPN/FOX is going to allow only 10 Yanks/Red Sox games a year instead of 18. I love the idea of a single division (aka English soccer).

I'd personally reduce the regular season of 154 games but expand the playoffs to a best of 9 (too much parity for a best of 7 in my opinion). Keep it at 8 teams, making the regular season mean something.
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#29 Posted on 23.6.11 1612.25
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I like the mike n mike plan with two fifteen team leagues. You play a home and home vs every team in baseball, that way in theory, every team plays the exact schedule and the top teams would truely be the BEST teams. It would be a perfect time to do any realignment, and as they pointed out, you could put the yankees and red sox in separate leagues.
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#30 Posted on 23.6.11 1715.35
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I like the mike n mike plan with two fifteen team leagues. You play a home and home vs every team in baseball, that way in theory, every team plays the exact schedule and the top teams would truely be the BEST teams. It would be a perfect time to do any realignment, and as they pointed out, you could put the yankees and red sox in separate leagues.

The problem is, the length of the baseball season almost assures that reams WOULDN'T play the exact same schedule. For example, three teams could face an injury-depleted Red Sox in April, and other teams would face a full-strength (bolstered by big trades, let's say) in August.
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#31 Posted on 23.6.11 2205.42
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I like the mike n mike plan with two fifteen team leagues. You play a home and home vs every team in baseball, that way in theory, every team plays the exact schedule and the top teams would truely be the BEST teams. It would be a perfect time to do any realignment, and as they pointed out, you could put the yankees and red sox in separate leagues.

3 game stands of home and home is 174 games. Plus if you have the same schedule regardless of leagues, then you might as well call it one 30 team group and take the eight best, rather than the 4 best out of the AL and the 4 best out of the NL. Home team can announce whether they want the DH 3 hours before game time; allows you to get strategic. Switch to no DH when playing a team has a lumbering power hitter who is horrible in the field (Ortiz or Adam Dunn), or when you have an above average hitting pitcher on the mound.
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