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#1 Posted on 18.4.11 0656.17
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-Max Buck wins the Xscape match
-Ink Inc. d. Steiner/Crimson, Young/Jordan and Magnus/Williams
-Mickie James d. Madison Rayne for the Knockouts Title in 30 seconds
-Samoa Joe d. The Pope
-Matt Morgan d. Hernandez
-Jeff Jarrett d. Kurt Angle, 2 falls to 1, after much chicanery
-Sting d. Rob van Dam and Kurt Angle to retain the TNA title in seven minutes(!)
-Fortune d. Immortal in a Lethal Lockdown match

I'll be watching this later in the week for the Angle match and the main event, which both sound good. ALthough Angle apparently continues to be both a)insane by taking ridiculous cage bumps and b)petty by attempting to bury the RKO by using it for a nearfall.

If Sting can't work longer than seven minutes with two other guys in there with him, he probably shouldn't be champ.
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#2 Posted on 18.4.11 0736.19
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I didn't see it. Nor will I. But...

@HulkHogan4Real Hulk Hogan
TNA LOCKDOWN SET THE NEW STANDARD FOR WHAT A PPV SHOULD BE!!!!!!!!!! HH

I presume that statement is accurate.
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#3 Posted on 18.4.11 0744.23
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What REALLY irritates me about Hogan jockeying and sledging and generally trying to portray himself as a serious promoter is that he's got dick-all experience in the role. Bischoff was the guy who, for better or worse, knocked Vince off his perch. Hogan was a key player, but I wish TNA had been smart enough to engage Uncle Eric as the sole on-paper creative guy rather than signign Hulk specifically as a behind-the-scenes talent.
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#4 Posted on 18.4.11 0759.19
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Again, thought about ordering it, but I am so glad I watched Game of Thrones instead. The few sites I saw gave most the matches good ratings yet shit all over the PPV not sure why, but whatever. Madison/Mickie seemed to be the most disappointing one mainly due to Mickie's injury. If Kurt wants to use the RKO has a mid match move thats fine since Orton is using the Angle Slam has one as well. Its a tit for tat, we usually don't see anymore. Plus, its not like Randy invented the RKO out of nowhere, at least got the ok from DDP to use it.

Minus Kurt losing, I thought all the right people went over. I was cool with whoever won the 3 way title match and they seem to be ending a few feuds at least I hope they do. It should make for an interesting Impact or another boring one where they keep recycling these matches like they have been since January.

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#5 Posted on 18.4.11 0827.01
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    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    What REALLY irritates me about Hogan jockeying and sledging and generally trying to portray himself as a serious promoter is that he's got dick-all experience in the role. Bischoff was the guy who, for better or worse, knocked Vince off his perch. Hogan was a key player, but I wish TNA had been smart enough to engage Uncle Eric as the sole on-paper creative guy rather than signign Hulk specifically as a behind-the-scenes talent.


Well; I'm sure Bishoff told them that if they wanted Bishoff in the creative role, that Hogan had to be on the team, too.

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#6 Posted on 18.4.11 0929.49
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    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      What REALLY irritates me about Hogan jockeying and sledging and generally trying to portray himself as a serious promoter is that he's got dick-all experience in the role. Bischoff was the guy who, for better or worse, knocked Vince off his perch. Hogan was a key player, but I wish TNA had been smart enough to engage Uncle Eric as the sole on-paper creative guy rather than signign Hulk specifically as a behind-the-scenes talent.


    Well; I'm sure Bishoff told them that if they wanted Bishoff in the creative role, that Hogan had to be on the team, too.




I don't know if I would go that far. Bischoff and Hogan have a weird relationship. They threw each other under the bus a few times during their WWE runs as well as Hogan referring to Eric as ATM Bischoff during WCW. My theory and again, "theory" is they wanted a package deal with the biggest superstar ever in wrestling plus the guy who kicked Vince's ass for a few years. If either one said no, I fully expect to sign the other. I think both were smart enough to realize working together they could get a better deal then dealing with TNA as separate entities.
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#7 Posted on 18.4.11 1027.59
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    I didn't see it. Nor will I. But...

    @HulkHogan4Real Hulk Hogan
    TNA LOCKDOWN SET THE NEW STANDARD FOR WHAT A PPV SHOULD BE!!!!!!!!!! HH

    I presume that statement is accurate.


I have to wonder how many White Supremacists follow the Hulkster, or if he even realizes what HH means in some circles.
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#8 Posted on 18.4.11 1037.21
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Sting is a joke. He's nothing but an obstacle for other main eventers. He's gotta be tag teaming Dixie with Russo because both guys seem invincible to any sort of demotion or limited role.

Jarrett is midcard for life acting like he's someone that can carry a company. He's not. Never will be. Building your company around him will always scream bushleague.

Then you got 3D who have nothing left to do, but since they were resigned to big money contracts, have to get match time to justify it.

And that's their main problem. They sign everyone they can get their hands on, then feel like they have to use them, even when other guys are getting over. Look how long it too the Gunns to get the tag belts because 3D had to have them every other month.
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#9 Posted on 18.4.11 1106.44
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Bischoff's go-to creative move is "Hogan!" though. If anything, this TNA run has exposed him as a guy who got lucky by doing ballsy stuff that's no longer innovative or replicable and who never really understood what made himself successful in the first place (or the importance of having a wrestling booker in charge who wasn't Vince Russo). He doesn't have any ideas, he just has TV exec nonsense phrases.
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#10 Posted on 18.4.11 1114.31
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Bischoff's go-to creative move is "Hogan!" though. If anything, this TNA run has exposed him as a guy who got lucky by doing ballsy stuff that's no longer innovative or replicable and who never really understood what made himself successful in the first place (or the importance of having a wrestling booker in charge who wasn't Vince Russo). He doesn't have any ideas, he just has TV exec nonsense phrases.


It didn't help that he ended Thursday's show by dramatically ripping off the back brace to bomb Anderson but awkwardly limped away with a rotten hip when Sting arrived.
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#11 Posted on 18.4.11 1119.36
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They're gonna do Hogan/Sting, aren't they. Please not for the title.
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#12 Posted on 18.4.11 1424.03
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Sting can barely go five minutes without getting blown up at this point and they're building up to Sting and HOGAN? If that's the plan, it's going to be a disaster on so many levels.
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#13 Posted on 18.4.11 1435.51
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Hogan is basically dead from the waist down. Bad knees, bad hips. Then he has the bad back. He ain't gonna risk putting himself in a wheelchair. Not like we are talking about Mick Foley here. Then again, with TNA main events, he'd only have to go for about 45 seconds.
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#14 Posted on 18.4.11 1502.58
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    -Sting d. Rob van Dam and Kurt Angle to retain the TNA title in seven minutes(!)


Just a typo, but it was in fact Mr Anderson and not Kurt Angle. I actually went looking for why Angle was in this after just losing 2 of 3. You never know with TNA, do you?



    -Fortune d. Immortal in a Lethal Lockdown match


If you gave me a list of say 15 wrestlers on the TNA roster and told me to pick the ones in Fortune and the ones in Immortal and the ones in other I'd probably get half wrong. It's got to be the most randomized factions in the history of wrestling.


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#15 Posted on 18.4.11 1721.03
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The show was certainly a step forward in forgetting the last show.

I like that Lethal Lockdown is TNA's version of War Games. Say what you want about Bully ray (still a terrible name...) but he did pretty good work in that match. Flair was Flair... now, he took a beating like a man. Daniels tied to kill himself and I thank him for it. Surprised and happy Robert Roode got the win for his team.

I believe Sting still has gas in his tank and is capable of giving a three to four star match. Sure, I'm crazy and deluded, but I still believe this. It won't happen with Hogan, that's for damn sure, but it will happen in the next few months. Sting doesn't have half the problems Undertaker has, he just needs the right opponent.

Kurt Angle tried to kill himself for my enjoyment and I thank him for it. Twice during that match, I know my heart stopped cause I actually thought he went and broke his neck in the middle of the ring. Jeff Jarrett sold like a motherfucker. Karen...Angle? Jarrett? (Did they really get married?) ...whatever she's calling herself is awesome in her role as a total cunt ex-wife and I love her. These three have really great chemistry together. It was awesome seeing Steiner come out in support of the mafia; keep living that dream Scott!

As for the bad stuff; I really did NOT need to see the Pope's ass for extended camera time. Sarita and Rosita need to never, EVER, get a live mic again, they're terrible. I don't think Micky James is really hurt, I think they just had no idea of what to do for that match so they got it outta the way quickly.

The rest of the show was just your average TNA PPV. Now that I've gotten back what they stole from me, I will play it by ear and watch iMPACT like normal and if I feel the build up they give is worth my money... I will pay for the next show, but I will certainly be a bit more picky then I have been in the past. My money is not 'guaranteed' anymore just because I happen to be at home when a PPV is on. They gotta earn it.

PS: Any word on who Suicide was? Since he was the first one out of the match, I'd assume Daniels, but he didn't 'look' like Daniels so I am uncertain. Just curious.
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#16 Posted on 18.4.11 1724.33
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I think it was Daniels, which might be why he was eliminated so quickly. And the Torch said that Mickie was cleared to wrestle, but she wasn't 100% and had some lingering neck issues, which is why they went so short.
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#17 Posted on 18.4.11 1823.12
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    Originally posted by lotjx
    Again, thought about ordering it, but I am so glad I watched Game of Thrones instead. The few sites I saw gave most the matches good ratings yet shit all over the PPV not sure why, but whatever. Madison/Mickie seemed to be the most disappointing one mainly due to Mickie's injury. If Kurt wants to use the RKO has a mid match move thats fine since Orton is using the Angle Slam has one as well. Its a tit for tat, we usually don't see anymore. Plus, its not like Randy invented the RKO out of nowhere, at least got the ok from DDP to use it.

    Minus Kurt losing, I thought all the right people went over. I was cool with whoever won the 3 way title match and they seem to be ending a few feuds at least I hope they do. It should make for an interesting Impact or another boring one where they keep recycling these matches like they have been since January.




I miss that too in the old Monday Night Wars. I know Disco used the Stunner. I think jobbers did the Rock Bottom and Petigree in WcW. Its getting that way again. WWe isn't wrestling, they have a huge pop-star and they are PG. TNA is drunks, burn-outs, cast off drug heads and have cussing and blood! Woohoo
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#18 Posted on 18.4.11 1839.08
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    Originally posted by lotjx
    If Kurt wants to use the RKO has a mid match move thats fine since Orton is using the Angle Slam has one as well. Its a tit for tat, we usually don't see anymore. Plus, its not like Randy invented the RKO out of nowhere, at least got the ok from DDP to use it.


But did DDP get the ok from Johnny Ace?

(edited by StaggerLee on 18.4.11 1839)
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#19 Posted on 18.4.11 1918.15
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by lotjx
      If Kurt wants to use the RKO has a mid match move thats fine since Orton is using the Angle Slam has one as well. Its a tit for tat, we usually don't see anymore. Plus, its not like Randy invented the RKO out of nowhere, at least got the ok from DDP to use it.


    But did DDP get the ok from Johnny Ace?

    (edited by StaggerLee on 18.4.11 1839)


Does it really matter? It's not like wrestling maneuvers can be copyrighted or anything-- just the names. Even so, Lou Thesz died five months after "Stone Cold" Steve Austin lost the WWF Championship for the last time.
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#20 Posted on 19.4.11 0053.07
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Does it really matter? It's not like wrestling maneuvers can be copyrighted or anything


I always thought it would be a fun angle to have a heel take the "that's his patented finisher!" thing literally, and actually get a legal patent on a move to prevent his face opponent from performing it. Or, even better, if the heel got royalties every time the face used it in a match.
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