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#1 Posted on 28.12.10 0834.59
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According to Dave Meltzer of Yahoo! Sports/Wrestling Observer, Brock is currently looking for an "exit strategy" from the UFC.

Meltzer said on his radio show that the fight with Velasquez has changed Brock's attitude on fighting and he is at the stage in his life where he doesn't want to get injured. He's very well off financially and the business man in him apparently knows that it may be time to move on.

Meltzer also mentioned that Brock hasn't trained a single day since the Velasquez fight nor he has returned any phone calls to Dana or Zuffa about upcoming matches.

Dave pointed out if Brock was motivated, he would be right back in the gym training and bringing in new coaches with the goal of beating Cain yet he isn't doing that. He's hunting and hasn't even thought about his next fight. Lesnar apparently wants to do WrestleMania "badly" and will earn an estimated 2 million dollars for 30 minutes of work.

Everything is pointing towards Brock having one more fight and ending his contract. His head doesn't seem to be in the fighting game and it looks like it was just yet another successful business move.

SOURCE: Wrestling Observer/Figure Four Online
(I read this through another message board, but cannot provide a proper link right now because f4wonline.com says it is down.)

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If this is true, I can't say I'm surprised. Brock is rich enough to not do a single money-making thing for the rest of his life, so why put in all the time and effort when the strategy to beat him has been figured out and perfectly implemented. He's got the wrestling ability, but striking and standup defense aren't things a guy his age can learn so easily. Especially after he ran out of opponents who are good style matches for him. He made the UFC tons of money so they would be pissed, but as long as he finishes out his contract he's not doing anything wrong.
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#2 Posted on 29.12.10 1646.12
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Dave actually said the words "I know too much about Brock right now" before hinting around at stuff , and then was SHOCKED and DISBELIEVING that people might read in to his statements and not come to the same conclusion he did a poor job of stating. This was not a highlight reel sequence.


    Everything is pointing towards Brock having one more fight and ending his contract. His head doesn't seem to be in the fighting game and it looks like it was just yet another successful business move.


So, the next day, when he was doing the shocked bit, Dave laid it out much differently. "Brock wants to make as much as possible this year" was the key point - he knows he can't have a long career because his strengths are literally his strength and athletic ability, which won't age as well as technique from people who've been training a lot longer.

But this isn't about Brock being done with fighting as much as Brock trying to create leverage where it might not otherwise exist - Lesnar really wants to do WrestleMania (for the easy $$$$, not because he's got an interest in returning to WWE full time or anything) - and Dana White doesn't want him to do it. So Brock is doing a sort of hold out - it doesn't make sense for him to take a fight before or just after WrestleMania if he wants to do it, and maybe it puts in a little pressure on UFC to let him do it. Also, it's hunting season. Brock doesn't seem like a guy who spends a lot of time training for fights when he's not a got a particular fight to be ready for.

There's some horse trading clearly going on behind the scenes - there may be a trade off where Brock does Ultimate Fighter (which he'd normally not want to do) in exchange for going on WrestleMania. He'd be a coach opposite Frank Mir, and Mir's next scheduled fight being pulled made Dave and Bryan believe there's something going on in that direction. Plus, if Brock wants to make a lot of money, Mir's the best guy he can fight outside of a title match because of the previous history there.

If we've reached a point where the new young top heavyweights guys have figured Brock out (and I'm not sure we have), it's doubly ill considered for Brock to face a young unknown. If he beats Mir and can get another title shot out of it, I'm pretty sure he's got more than one fight in him.
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#3 Posted on 29.12.10 1710.57
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Didn't Brock leave the WWE under pretty bad terms? Doesn't Vince hold long grudges?
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#4 Posted on 29.12.10 1825.18
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Lesnar might just be a worst TUF coach than Shamrock was. I haven't watched the show in years, but I'd probably try to catch that trainwreck if it happened.
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#5 Posted on 29.12.10 2112.01
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Lesnar sued WWE, threatening their no-compete clause. The settled out of court. There were hard feeling on all sides. But now Vince needs an outside star to make WrestleMania special.
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#6 Posted on 29.12.10 2117.57
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I would have retired after the beating Carwin put on him. Getting his face destroyed by Velasquez and having him cower like a puppy getting yelled at made me feel sorry for him. He needs to wrap it up and move along.
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#7 Posted on 30.12.10 0319.41
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    Originally posted by PaulKTF
    Didn't Brock leave the WWE under pretty bad terms? Doesn't Vince hold long grudges?


Yeah, but money talks. Off the top of my head, Bret Hart, Jessie Ventura, and Sable all left the WWF/WWE under bad terms (arguably worse than Brock). In fact, all three sued Vince after their departures. And yet, all three came back in some way for Vince to capitalize on their past fame. Brock and the WWE may not still like each other, but they don't have to when there's a lot of cash to be made off the possible 'fight of the year' with The Undertaker.

That said, while they got some mainstream publicity off the UT/Brock 'confrontation', I doubt the match will happen in the upcoming Wrestlemania. I can't see Dana releasing him from his contract any time soon, at least not without having him fight another fight or two to build up the heavyweight division. As for Taker, it looks to me like they're committed to dragging out the awful feud with Kane all the way to WM. Granted, I know I'm assuming too soon that this match will actually take place. But I still don't like this match at all.
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#8 Posted on 30.12.10 1940.15
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If Lesnar really is considering retiring after his last UFC fight, you wonder why Dana would give him the plum gig of coaching the next TUF season. Lesnar would get a season's worth of publicity, another high-profile fight with Mir that he'd probably win and then...that's it? He's just free to go and, possibly, sign with Strikeforce for a mega-match against Fedor?

If I'm Dana White, I let some lower-profile fighters (maybe Faber and another incoming WEC guy) coach the next TUF to get over the lower weight classes, and simply point to Lesnar's contract as the reason he can't compete at Wrestlemania. Surely there are clauses in it preventing Lesnar from appearing in any sort of non-UFC fighting environment, even in a worked match in WWE

    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I would have retired after the beating Carwin put on him.


Uh, Lesnar won that fight.
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#9 Posted on 30.12.10 2225.35
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    Originally posted by Big Bad


    Uh, Lesnar won that fight.


Yeah, but he looked very beatable during the fight.
Pretty much a preview of what Cain did to him.
Lesnar doesn't seem to be able to handle getting punched, hard, in the face.
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#10 Posted on 31.12.10 0737.11
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To Lesnar and his camp, the Carwin fight likely showed that despite having no striking skill, Brock could weather the storm on sheer physicality. Cain is far more technical and had a gameplan more complex than "punch him as hard as possible as fast as possible" so that's why Lesnar went down to him when he didn't for Carwin.

The Carwin fight exposed his weaknesses to the world, but it was still a legitimate win for Lesnar and not anywhere close to a reason to retire.
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#11 Posted on 2.1.11 1942.18
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I cannot see Dana letting Brock do WWE at all while he's in UFC. Dana is big on keeping the integrity of UFC and knows that letting Brock do a worked match will cause questions with any fights he has in UFC.
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#12 Posted on 2.1.11 1947.34
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    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    I cannot see Dana letting Brock do WWE at all while he's in UFC. Dana is big on keeping the integrity of UFC and knows that letting Brock do a worked match will cause questions with any fights he has in UFC.


Who doesn't know that UFC and WWE are separate? Did everyone all of a sudden think Floyd Mayweather's boxing matches are worked because he appeared at Wrestlemania?

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#13 Posted on 2.1.11 1956.13
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Yeah that's a silly argument. The fact is that the UFC has always been very opposed to its fighters doing anything else while under contract. Those who bring in a lot of money are more likely to be given leeway, and Lesnar is surely at the top of that heap. However, if he really does have no intention of resigning after his last fight, there's no incentive for the UFC to keep him happy so they may not allow it because there's nothing in it for them.
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#14 Posted on 2.1.11 2009.20
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      I cannot see Dana letting Brock do WWE at all while he's in UFC. Dana is big on keeping the integrity of UFC and knows that letting Brock do a worked match will cause questions with any fights he has in UFC.


    Who doesn't know that UFC and WWE are separate? Did everyone all of a sudden think Floyd Mayweather's boxing matches are worked because he appeared at Wrestlemania?

    (edited by TheBucsFan on 2.1.11 2047)


UFC was all but dead years ago and only is around to day because of the effort Dana has put into making it legit with structured rules, weight divisions, and everything else.

If Brock works a WWE match, you better believe there will be people making jokes if he comes back to UFC.
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#15 Posted on 2.1.11 2106.19
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    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

    UFC was all but dead years ago and only is around to day because of the effort Dana has put into making it legit with structured rules, weight divisions, and everything else.

    If Brock works a WWE match, you better believe there will be people making jokes if he comes back to UFC.


What jokes are there to be made? About Brock specifically? Because the jokes have been around since he came to UFC. And the status of UFC around 5 years ago has little to no consequence to the argument either for or against Brock appearing, one time, on WWE ppv. The main point is that Dana won't agree to it unless there's something in it for him or his company. There's no reason to. His organization is more popular and gets more national coverage than Vince's.
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#16 Posted on 11.1.11 1723.23
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And, after all of this, Brock Lesnar and Junior Dos Santos will coach the Ultimate Fighter 13. But not WrestleMania.

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#17 Posted on 11.1.11 2109.45
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A terrible idea sports-wise, but a great one for the promotion.
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#18 Posted on 12.1.11 1029.02
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I'm very curious to see how Lesnar deals with omnipresent cameras and the responsibility of scouting and coaching. I hope he does well, but I wonder how personable he'll be with his students.
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#19 Posted on 12.1.11 1058.39
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I'm very curious to see how Lesnar deals with omnipresent cameras and the responsibility of scouting and coaching. I hope he does well, but I wonder how personable he'll be with his students.


Brock honestly seems like an odd choice. Not from a PR standpoint, but if he can keep his more negative personality aspects in check.
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#20 Posted on 12.1.11 1250.20
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    Originally posted by Kei Posiskunk
    Brock honestly seems like an odd choice. Not from a PR standpoint, but if he can keep his more negative personality aspects in check.


I don't see how he can handle himself any worse than Rampage Jackson. He showed his ass.

But yeah, I'd like to see spooky calm Lesnar more than fratboy Lesnar. If Dos Santos were to goad him into a locker room confrontation, Lesnar might go postal.

Then again, he got schooled by Jericho when they tussled backstage.
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