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#1 Posted on 14.11.10 0905.28
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Scare Saturday has come and gone. Oregon and TCU survive due to the teams they faced can not defend against the run in the 4th quarter. Notre Dame finally gets a big win, but how good is Utah after scoring only 3 pts in the last two games. Cam turns lemons into lemonade and leads his team to the SEC title game. Spurrier avenges himself in his old stomping grounds which secures the other part of the SEC championship game. The Big Ten comes down to the last two weeks with Iowa/Ohio State becoming a pivotal game where if Ohio State loses and Michigan State wins out, MSU is your Big Ten champ.
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#2 Posted on 14.11.10 0915.40
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Actually had confidence in Penn State at 14-3. Pick 6's on the road are killers.
Been a long time since I saw team lay down like Utah.
TCU or Boise really should send a gift basket to Georgia for allowing them a slot in the BCS Title Game. Baiting 2 different defensive starters for Auburn to throw a punch in the last 2 minutes of an 18 point game and thus an automatic 1st half suspension against Alabama could be a national title changer.
Wanted Wisconsin to hang 100.
Interesting question: Auburn loses to Bama but win SEC Title, Oregon wins, TCU and Boise both win out and the 3 Big Ten teams win out. Oregon/TCU is the BCS Title game, but who plays Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl? Do they go Stanford, LSU or Ohio State?
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#3 Posted on 14.11.10 0918.55
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And if Wisconsin, Michigan St. and Ohio St. all win out, the BCS rankings determine your Big Ten champ. That'll be the Badgers.

Heh...Bucky Badger had to do 573 push-ups yesterday. (ESPN) 83 points!? Man, the Badgers were on fire from behind the 3-point line. Oh, wait...
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#4 Posted on 14.11.10 0925.01
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Actually had confidence in Penn State at 14-3. Pick 6's on the road are killers.
    Been a long time since I saw team lay down like Utah.
    TCU or Boise really should send a gift basket to Georgia for allowing them a slot in the BCS Title Game. Baiting 2 different defensive starters for Auburn to throw a punch in the last 2 minutes of an 18 point game and thus an automatic 1st half suspension against Alabama could be a national title changer.
    Wanted Wisconsin to hang 100.
    Interesting question: Auburn loses to Bama but win SEC Title, Oregon wins, TCU and Boise both win out and the 3 Big Ten teams win out. Oregon/TCU is the BCS Title game, but who plays Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl? Do they go Stanford, LSU or Ohio State?


Auburn plays Oregon if they win the SEC title, trust me they are not going to allow TCU/Boise State in that game. I will say that Oregon and TCU did nothing to increase my confidence in either team since they barely won against sub-par teams. The Rose Bowl gets the next highest ranking team which could be Boise State or TCU, I will be so happy to see one of those two teams take a giant shit on the spectacle of the Rose Bowl by taking a Big Ten team to the woodshed.
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#5 Posted on 14.11.10 0957.23
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    Originally posted by lotjx

    Auburn plays Oregon if they win the SEC title, trust me they are not going to allow TCU/Boise State in that game. I will say that Oregon and TCU did nothing to increase my confidence in either team since they barely won against sub-par teams. The Rose Bowl gets the next highest ranking team which could be Boise State or TCU, I will be so happy to see one of those two teams take a giant shit on the spectacle of the Rose Bowl by taking a Big Ten team to the woodshed.


Sorry, but I think if Auburn lost to Bama, TCU would get it's shot. There isn't a conspiracy to keep them out and that would be enough to get in. I don't know that I buy that TCU would deserve it, but I think they would get it.

And every title conteder ends up with a game that's closer than it should have been. Hell Ohio State had seasons when they made it a weekly habit. Not going to hold it against Oregon.

As for the Rose Bowl, they'd choose Stanford from that group I would bet. Assuming TCU getting into the title game allows them to pass on being forced to take a non-AQ, which I think is the case.

Finally a last second play that works for FSU. Now to find a way to slow down Maryland(...did I really just type that?) and hope UNC can beat NC State.

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#6 Posted on 14.11.10 1006.24
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If the Pac-10 champ goes to the BCS title game, the Rose Bowl will be taking either TCU or Boise State, without a doubt. The bowl's BCS deal with the BCS says they take a non-BCS team in place of a Pac-10 champ that went to the title game at least once during the contract - it might even say the first time it happens, not sure. In any case, this is the year to do it if you're the Rose Bowl, because at least there are two highly ranked non-BCS teams there. I'm sure they'd rather have No. 3 TCU than No. 12 TCU, or whatever. I've never read anything suggesting that a non-BCS team getting into the title game changes this obligation on the Pac-10's part.

Put it stone: If Oregon wins out, it's TCU or Boise State.

Here's a news story from the time the contract was signed, in the summer of 2009:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4359924

Starting with the 2010 season and running through the 2013 season, the first time the Rose Bowl loses one of its conference champions and a team from one of the non-automatic qualifying leagues earns a BCS bid, the Rose Bowl must take that team.


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#7 Posted on 14.11.10 1023.46
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Here's a question for anyone better at predicting the BCS computers than I am: If TCU and Boise State both were to lose a game, do you think they would stay high enough in the BCS rankings that one of them will still earn an automatic spot? Because they're pretty much a lock to stay ahead of the Big East champ, it takes a top-16 finish, right? Seems to me like one of them would still make it.

I would love to see the BCS conferences react to a one-loss WAC team getting a Rose Bowl bid.
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#8 Posted on 14.11.10 1051.30
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Here's a question for anyone better at predicting the BCS computers than I am: If TCU and Boise State both were to lose a game, do you think they would stay high enough in the BCS rankings that one of them will still earn an automatic spot? Because they're pretty much a lock to stay ahead of the Big East champ, it takes a top-16 finish, right? Seems to me like one of them would still make it.

    I would love to see the BCS conferences react to a one-loss WAC team getting a Rose Bowl bid.






I'd rather see the blue hairs react to that.
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#9 Posted on 14.11.10 1134.29
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    If the Pac-10 champ goes to the BCS title game, the Rose Bowl will be taking either TCU or Boise State, without a doubt. The bowl's BCS deal with the BCS says they take a non-BCS team in place of a Pac-10 champ that went to the title game at least once during the contract - it might even say the first time it happens, not sure. In any case, this is the year to do it if you're the Rose Bowl, because at least there are two highly ranked non-BCS teams there. I'm sure they'd rather have No. 3 TCU than No. 12 TCU, or whatever. I've never read anything suggesting that a non-BCS team getting into the title game changes this obligation on the Pac-10's part.

    Put it stone: If Oregon wins out, it's TCU or Boise State.

    Here's a news story from the time the contract was signed, in the summer of 2009:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/​​ncf/​​news/​​story?​​id=4359924

    Starting with the 2010 season and running through the 2013 season, the first time the Rose Bowl loses one of its conference champions and a team from one of the non-automatic qualifying leagues earns a BCS bid, the Rose Bowl must take that team.


    (edited by TheBucsFan on 14.11.10 1109)


I'm positive I read in the past week or so that if a non AQ plays for the title that the Rose doesn't have to take one. Even reading that quote you posted fits as it says "that" team as in a particular one. If that team is already claimed, the Rose can pick anyone. And they would no doubt want Stanford over Boise.

I'll check later to see if I can find where I read it.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/25781130

One of many links google had saying what I said. If Tcu plays for the title, the Rose is not obligated to take Boise.

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#10 Posted on 14.11.10 1153.58
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If TCU finished No. 2 and Boise State finished No. 3, both would have automatic bids (EDIT: Right?) and would qualify under the Rose Bowl rule as I read it.

I'm sorry, but some random columnist just throwing it out there without citing a source doesn't have me convinced. And regardless, like both I and the columnist you linked to said, it still makes sense for the Pac-10 to take one of the non-BCS teams anyway.

If Oregon, Boise State and TCU all stay undefeated, I would bet every possession I own that either TCU or Boise State end up in the Rose Bowl. Only time will tell, but I don't see that scenario playing out any other way.

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#11 Posted on 14.11.10 1236.04
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    If TCU finished No. 2 and Boise State finished No. 3, both would have automatic bids (EDIT: Right?) and would qualify under the Rose Bowl rule as I read it.
I read it yesterday; there is only one automatic qualifier per year. TCU was taken as an actual at-large pick last year, they weren't forced to be taken. Here's Wiki saying it.
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#12 Posted on 14.11.10 1258.10
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    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      If TCU finished No. 2 and Boise State finished No. 3, both would have automatic bids (EDIT: Right?) and would qualify under the Rose Bowl rule as I read it.
    I read it yesterday; there is only one automatic qualifier per year. TCU was taken as an actual at-large pick last year, they weren't forced to be taken. Here's Wiki saying it.


That's not what I was saying, but you are right. I thought Boise State and TCU would both qualify automatically regardless of their non-BCS status in my scenario because No. 2 and No. 3 are both auto spots, but here is the rule according to that Wikipedia page:

The third-ranked team will receive an automatic berth if it has not already received one, if it is a member of a BCS conference, and provided that its conference has not already earned two automatic berths, if there is room.


I think that is a stupid clause, the one I bolded, but I don't think it will make a difference. I don't think Stanford is such an attractive option that the Rose Bowl will forgo getting this obligation - something they clearly see as a burden, based on quotes I've seen from Rose Bowl officials - out of the way as soon as possible. I still think if Oregon, Boise State and TCU all win out, one of the latter two is a lock, regardless of the BCS title game matchup.
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#13 Posted on 14.11.10 1327.14
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They did reach down to 13 a few years ago to take a 3 loss Illinois team, so maybe they roll the dice that they don't lose a Big Ten or Pac 10 team in the next 3 years or there is no non-AQ on the board, and take a top 5 1 loss Stanford team. Depends on the make-up of the Rose Bowl Committee, has nothing to do with the Pac-10 conference. Of course, Auburn could win out and make the point moot, or Oregon could lose against Arizona and knock the Rose Bowl out of this discussion. Would actually rather see 1 loss LSU play 1 loss Wisconsin in the Rose and 1 loss Auburn play 1 loss Stanford in the Sugar, but that really would be wishful thinking.
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#14 Posted on 14.11.10 2333.42
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After reading a whole lot of bowl projections and seeing nobody who projected BSU or TCU against Oregon in the title game also predict the other in the Rose Bowl, I must admit I'm probably wrong. But if I end up being right, I'll be sure to remind ... somebody. :)
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