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Eddie Famous
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#21 Posted on 17.7.02 2134.06
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I really don't care whether pilots are armed or not, but to think that it'll do any GOOD is silly.

Other questions about implementation:

1. How big a flight must there be for a pilot to have a gun?

2. Will private chartered large planes have to do this?

3. What about international flights? Will Saudi Air pilots have to be armed before they enter US airspace?

4. If a flight goes from the US to a country that DOESN'T want pilots armed....

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#22 Posted on 17.7.02 2137.28
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kazyahashi81 sez:

    So the door can't be shut the entire flight, making it possible to be penetrated and hi-jacked.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. On the Israeli airline El Al, (as well as several European airlines I think), that door is a reinforced vault from the time the passengers are allowed to embark until they all disembark. The pilots have food, water, coffee, and probably a spare mug to piss in.

"Once you board, up to five armed undercover agents will travel with you in strategic aisle seats, ready for attack. Furthermore, like many Israelis, cabin crews are former soldiers in the Israeli military who have received combat training. The cockpit door, of reinforced steel, is locked from the inside before passengers board and is opened only after everyone has disembarked at their destination. No matter what's going on in the rest of the plane, it is never opened during flight"

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#23 Posted on 18.7.02 0631.14
Reposted on: 18.7.09 0637.27

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    I really don't care whether pilots are armed or not, but to think that it'll do any GOOD is silly.

    Other questions about implementation:

    1. How big a flight must there be for a pilot to have a gun?

    2. Will private chartered large planes have to do this?

    3. What about international flights? Will Saudi Air pilots have to be armed before they enter US airspace?

    4. If a flight goes from the US to a country that DOESN'T want pilots armed....




I think you have a misconception here about the arming of pilots. No legislation is going to force pilots to carry guns, just give them the right to. Mind you, well over 70% of licensed pilots said they would carry guns if afforded the opportunity. I will say that the questions about foreign carriers are pertinent. But we do have reciprocal agreements with other countries and airlines such as the aforementioned example regarding El Al(a group you don't want to dick with).

As to your question about it doing any good? Would you rather take your chances on not having the gun? And if that doesn't tickle your fancy, think about this; would a terrorist try any funny stuff if the pilot could be armed? It's the same theory about crime in this country. If a crime thinks the occupant of a house or their mark on the street could be armed, they are less likely to break into your house or try to mug you. That is why crime rates in states that have open carry laws(Vermont, Texas, Florida) are much lower than states with restricitive laws(ever check out the murder rate in Washington, DC where all private handgun ownership is banned?)
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#24 Posted on 18.7.02 0856.00
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Yes, I would rather there not be a gun on the airplane. I know, it's crazy. I mean, no one ever gets shot with their own gun do... Oh, it happens all the time? And then our terrorist, previously armed with a boxcutter, now has a handgun.

And, by the way, did you ever actually check the crime rates in Texas and Florida, or did you just assume that because Charlton Heston said it, it must be true.
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#25 Posted on 18.7.02 0944.33
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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    And, by the way, did you ever actually check the crime rates in Texas and Florida, or did you just assume that because Charlton Heston said it, it must be true.


I'll refer you to the work of Dr. John R. Lott, Jr who wrote "More Guns, Less Crime." His study looked at FBI crime records from all 3,000+ counties in this fine nation of ours and breaks it down very nicely, including data showing that Florida's crime rate(as an example) plummeted after the introduction of "shall-issue" laws.
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