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#21 Posted on 11.7.02 1407.45
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This is from darkhorizons.com

Batman vs. Superman: The Hollyood Reporter just ran an article in which Director Wolfgang Petersen spilled a LOT of details about the superhero face-off flick. What can we expect in terms of tone? Petersen says: "Superman stands for what is powerful, clear, bright, noble and just; Batman is dark, obsessive and vengeful. Because they are so different, they will inevitably end up clashing. It will be a battle of the titans. They both go through some kind of a crisis. Superman has an unwavering belief in what is right and wrong and it's just not that simple anymore in today's world, while Batman is on a path of self-destruction. He reacts to an act of incredible violence in a way that almost puts him over the edge". The casting of the roles is going to be for 'actors' rather than 'stars' but Petersen mentioned he was impressed by Matt Damon's action & acting skills - the decisions will be made in the next month. The project seems set for a Summer 2004 release, indicating an early 2003 start of shooting looking likely with the script being penned by Andrew Kevin Walker ("Se7en"). The story starts with the two as allie before eventually turning on one another, with both Metropolis and Gotham City featured and three 'juicy' female roles. Once work on this is complete, Petersen is likely to develop either the "Ender's Game" adaptation or the "Trojan War" project. Both Aronofsky's "Batman: Year One" and McG's "Superman Lives" project still seem to be on the drawing boards eventually. Thanks to 'Spacemonkey', 'the Samurai' & 'FanHalen'

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#22 Posted on 11.7.02 1454.59
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I think the bloom fell off the Frank Miller rose a long time ago. His art is atrocious these days and DK2 is all sizzle and no steak.

Sure, DK was revolutionary for its time and Daredevil was very good, but in hindsight, it did more harm than good to the industry and the brains of fanboys everywhere. Personally, if we're talking about influential stuff from the time period, I'll take Watchmen 9.8 times out of ten.
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#23 Posted on 11.7.02 1503.24
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    Originally posted by odessasteps
    Sure, DK was revolutionary for its time and Daredevil was very good, but in hindsight, it did more harm than good to the industry and the brains of fanboys everywhere. Personally, if we're talking about influential stuff from the time period, I'll take Watchmen 9.8 times out of ten.
I'll go one further, Mark and say BOTH Watchmen and DKR did more harm than good to the industry. We're STILL trying to get out of the Grim -n- Gritty Era 16 years after the fact
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#24 Posted on 11.7.02 1503.41
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Speaking of Watchmen...there is a Watchmen movie in development over at Warner Brothers.
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#25 Posted on 11.7.02 1536.47
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    Originally posted by Freeway420
    Speaking of Watchmen...there is a Watchmen movie in development over at Warner Brothers.


yeah, but it's been in development since when, 1995?
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#26 Posted on 11.7.02 1541.20
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I also prefer Watchmen to Dark Knight Returns, generally speaking. I think I prefer it to most everything else I've read, though, and Dark Knight Returns is right up there. I also agree that it's a shame that people seemed to miss some of the points made in the characterizations of Batman/Rorshach/Comedian in both and ignored the themes behind the characters and just made empty knockoffs (that's a big part of what stopped me from reading much in the comic world for almost a decade).

I just got the impression in misunderstanding what you said that you didn't like Dark Knight Returns itself. I don't think I've read anything post-80s by Miller, so I approach his Batman and Daredevil work without looking at what he's done since. And the same with the "dig my trenchcoat" Nomads and "argh I have guns!" Punisher stuff that followed, like I said, it helped get me to stop reading for a bit but doesn't diminish my enjoyment of Dark Knight or Watchmen in their own right.
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#27 Posted on 11.7.02 1558.18
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Well, according to Yahoo! Upcoming Movies [formerly located at upcomingmovies.com]:

Watchmen [target: 2004] Writer/Director: David Hayter (X-Men)

The Hulk [June 2003] Director: Ang Lee; Starring Eric Bana and the Academy Award winning Jennifer Connelly

X-Men 2 [May 2003] Director: Bryan Singer; Starring Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman and the Academy Award winning Halle Berry

Spider-Man 2 [May 2004] Director: Sam Raimi; Starring Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst

The Punisher [TBA, probably 2004-05] Nobody attatched, but following the success of Spider-Man and the post-9/11 rush...they want to fast track The Punisher, a man devoted to wiping out all crime by any means necessary.

Superman [TBA] D: McG (Charlie's Angels) Nobody else attatched.

Batman: Year One [TBA] W/D: Darren Aronofsky, Co-Writer: Frank Miller; Nobody else attached.

Spawn 2 [TBA] W: Todd McFarlane.
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#28 Posted on 11.7.02 1645.21
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    Originally posted by Parts Unknown

      Originally posted by Scar
      You know what could save this:

      Affleck and Damon.





      Kidding.



    You're a prophet...
    Matt Damon has just announced on IMDB that he's been asked to be either Superman or Batman. Yes, he can take his pick.




This is weird because me and a couple of friends were talking about what would be worse Ben Affleck and Matt Damon or Paul Walker and Vin Diesel.
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#29 Posted on 11.7.02 1652.45
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Oh, and James Robinson is allegely writing the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie, which has the potential to really cool.
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#30 Posted on 11.7.02 1743.27
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    Originally posted by Papercuts!

      Originally posted by odessasteps
      Sure, DK was revolutionary for its time and Daredevil was very good, but in hindsight, it did more harm than good to the industry and the brains of fanboys everywhere. Personally, if we're talking about influential stuff from the time period, I'll take Watchmen 9.8 times out of ten.
    I'll go one further, Mark and say BOTH Watchmen and DKR did more harm than good to the industry. We're STILL trying to get out of the Grim -n- Gritty Era 16 years after the fact


That era may not have been great, but I'll take bad grim + gritty over bad non grim + gritty any day. Even at 9 or 10 I rolled my eyes when super-heroes would give 20 minute explanations of their powers as they were doing them.

The hero would exclaim, "I will stop the Blue Stalker with my mystical eye-beams of Zandrakann, obtained when I was hit with a meteor in my youth! The training my magician uncle provided me and my titanium laced belt are all that keeps my energy contained!" and the panel would be an action shot of a guy getting hit with an eyebeam.

At least with bad grim + gritty, they save the bad dialogue for after the fight, cuz action speaks for itself.

As for quality comics of that period, I'd have to say Ronin, DKR, Watchmen, Swamp Thing, and a couple of years later, Arkham (the Grant Morrison one with the psycho Wagnerian Batman).
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#31 Posted on 12.7.02 0322.33
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Odessasteps: The League of Gentlemen movie looks to be in the process of being bastardised beyond all recognition. Apart from the fact the setting is being reputedly moved to New York (?!) they are apparently adding Tom Sawyer to the group. My point is that they are taking a quintessentially English story and Americanising it for the mass audience, which will make it something unrecognisable to fans of the source material.
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#32 Posted on 12.7.02 0833.14
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Tom Sawyer, according James Robinson (who said this during a panel I attended with him last year) is an investigator who is put onto the "mysterious" League and is not a member of the group. He is basically the way the audience is introduced to the League.

Bastardized? I think that's being a little extreme.
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#33 Posted on 12.7.02 0910.04
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Ok, maybe that was a slight exagerration, but supplanting them to New York just seems damn stupid. The whole point about the League of Gentlemen are that they are very Victorian English gentlemen, and it seems so silly to take that aspect of the story away by basing them in America. I suppose it's just a case of ignoring the backstory to please the mass market yet again.
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#34 Posted on 12.7.02 1343.11
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    Originally posted by kazhayashi81
    This is from darkhorizons.com

    The casting of the roles is going to be for 'actors' rather than 'stars' but Petersen mentioned he was impressed by Matt Damon's action & acting skills




My God...what is our world coming to?

At least Ender's Game is on the way. I hope they do it justice.
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#35 Posted on 12.7.02 1453.20
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NOnonononono!

I can't see a single way they mangage to do Ender's game justice. Ergh.

-Jag
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#36 Posted on 13.7.02 0456.53
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Don't get your hopes up for Ender's Game; the oversimplificaction bug will surely bite as soon as the screenwriter gets his hands on a copy of the book. Just pray that screenwriter isn't Akiva Goldsman...

While I'm at it, let me right now state that the "rumours" floating around about Michael Bay planning a remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre better be vicious unfounded lies. But the sinking feeling is there-especially seeing as Ryan Phillipe is attached for the Leatherface role.

AGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!
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#37 Posted on 13.7.02 1232.49
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Aronofsky doing a Batman movie...GOOD.
McG doing a Superman movie...BAD.
Petersen doing Batman vs. Superman...EH?

If Matt Damon ends up being in this movie, he would have to play Batman. Superman has a very specific look (I hate to say it, but Affleck would fit), whereas you can put virtually anybody in a cape and cowl.

I'm wondering who the villains would be. Lex Luthor? Joker?
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#38 Posted on 15.7.09 1653.08
    Originally posted by Freeway
    Well, according to Yahoo! Upcoming Movies [formerly located at upcomingmovies.com]:

    Watchmen [target: 2004] Writer/Director: David Hayter (X-Men)

    The Hulk [June 2003] Director: Ang Lee; Starring Eric Bana and the Academy Award winning Jennifer Connelly

    X-Men 2 [May 2003] Director: Bryan Singer; Starring Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman and the Academy Award winning Halle Berry

    Spider-Man 2 [May 2004] Director: Sam Raimi; Starring Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst

    The Punisher [TBA, probably 2004-05] Nobody attatched, but following the success of Spider-Man and the post-9/11 rush...they want to fast track The Punisher, a man devoted to wiping out all crime by any means necessary.

    Superman [TBA] D: McG (Charlie's Angels) Nobody else attatched.

    Batman: Year One [TBA] W/D: Darren Aronofsky, Co-Writer: Frank Miller; Nobody else attached.

    Spawn 2 [TBA] W: Todd McFarlane.
Anybody bored enough to fill in those blanks?
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