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| #1 Posted on 8.7.02 2341.29 Reposted on: 8.7.09 2358.04 | I am a huge Ric Flair mark. I loved the old Ric matches that had psychology and technical wrestling and stuff. After tonight's match, I think Ric should hang up the boots and not wrestle again. It was embarrassing. Ric is not cut out for today's ultra-fast TV style wrestling. It was all chop, whoo!, punch, knee drop, figure four. Where's the softening up the opponents legs? The Flair flop? The reversals and seesaw battles Ric is so known for?
Ric is a thirty minute man in a five minute world. Do your legacy a favour and please retire! Promote this thread! | | TheBucsFan
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| #2 Posted on 8.7.02 2350.26 Reposted on: 8.7.09 2358.18 |
Originally posted by StampedeFan23 I am a huge Ric Flair mark. I loved the old Ric matches that had psychology and technical wrestling and stuff. After tonight's match, I think Ric should hang up the boots and not wrestle again. It was embarrassing. Ric is not cut out for today's ultra-fast TV style wrestling. It was all chop, whoo!, punch, knee drop, figure four. Where's the softening up the opponents legs? The Flair flop? The reversals and seesaw battles Ric is so known for?
Ric is a thirty minute man in a five minute world. Do your legacy a favour and please retire!
I got the impression they just put it out there as a squash to give Flair a clean win for once. | It's False
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| #3 Posted on 8.7.02 2356.50 Reposted on: 8.7.09 2358.39 | After jobbing to most of the upper card and Vince McMahon, Ric Flair needs SOMETHING to keep him an established threat. His clean loss to Brock last week may have had some casual fans believing he's washed up and the goal for the WWE is to make sure they still Flair as some kind of threat. So the martyr for the week is Steven Richards. It's a simple formula. Feed jobbers to Flair (while playing up his legendary accomplishments) to keep him established until it's time for him to give another rub to some other young guy.
Flair still has some use. It's not time for him to hang his boots just yet. Trust me, the guy who's lucky enough to beat him in a Career Match will become a MAJOR STAR! Mick Foley made Triple H a superstar by sacrificing his career. Ric Flair can have that same impact. | ekedolphin
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| #4 Posted on 9.7.02 0049.48 Reposted on: 9.7.09 0059.04 | If by “clean loss” you mean Heyman jumping up on the ring apron to get Flair's attention, Flair popping him one and Lesnar attacking him from behind... then yes, that was a “clean” loss. | BobHollySTILLRules
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| #5 Posted on 9.7.02 0206.06 Reposted on: 9.7.09 0214.16 | Ya know, that pretty much is a clean loss these days. | Mr. Boffo
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| #6 Posted on 9.7.02 0227.07 Reposted on: 9.7.09 0229.03 | It's the closest thing to a clean loss by any wrestler not named "Hogan". | BigDaddyLoco
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| #7 Posted on 9.7.02 0235.34 Reposted on: 9.7.09 0259.02 | It was also a chance to get Stevie Richards some face time in Philly. Heat should be loaded with the rest of the bunch. | It's False
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| #8 Posted on 9.7.02 0300.06 Reposted on: 9.7.09 0307.04 |
Originally posted by Mr. Boffo It's the closest thing to a clean loss by any wrestler not named "Hogan".
Who EVER thought we'd be saying THAT?!
"What is this? Bizarro World?" -Comic Book Guy | MarchOfThePigs
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| #9 Posted on 9.7.02 0304.29 Reposted on: 9.7.09 0321.31 | I think I would rather see Ric Flair as some kind of an on-air personality. Maybe he could be some kind of a manager/advisor for some mid carder or they could always just bite the bullet and turn him heel and stick him back with Benoit and Guerrero. The occasional match from Flair is fine with me, but I'm not one who wants to see him wrestling every week at this point in his career. | deadbeater
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| #10 Posted on 11.7.02 1335.00 Reposted on: 11.7.09 1336.08 | I'm kind of mixed. I do want to see Flair's swan song end on a happy note. However, Flair did suffer what looked like to be a heart attack while making one of his speeches in WCW. | WyldeWolf1
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| #11 Posted on 11.7.02 1449.15 Reposted on: 11.7.09 1452.15 | Tell me you're being facetious, please! That "heart attack" was part of a lame angle--one of many Flair was put in latter days. | SKLOKAZOID
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| #12 Posted on 11.7.02 1539.02 Reposted on: 11.7.09 1552.29 | I really wish Ric bit the bullet and retired after that match with Sting in WCW, so the two bearers of WCW could close out the organization and their careers on a high note. That said, I have been glad to see him back in the WWF since November of 2001, but at the same time, I also knew that McMahon would become the new Eric Bischoff and ruin his legacy once more.
While McMahon hasn't committed nearly the atrocities Bischoff did, he's basically ended up stealing his identity. Flair's greatest accomplishments thus far in WWE have been beating McMahon at Rumble 2002 and working with UT to put on a passable match at WMX8. The Austin-Flair match on RAW (Austin's last match) also deserves a mention.
But, still, it's sad to see him now. Vince McMahon has practically stolen his gimmick. He gets all of the best looking "Divas" and calls all of the shots, beats Flair at his own game, and brags about his accomplishments as everything falls around him.
Right now, Flair's pretty much screwed. WWE's completely directionless, Flair doesn't want to be a full-time worker (and nor should he be in all honesty), and there's really nothing for him to do once Vince decided he wanted to be "El Primo" and take away Flair's ownership spot and any sense of reason in WWE. | Eradicator
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| #13 Posted on 11.7.02 1653.56 Reposted on: 11.7.09 1654.18 |
Originally posted by WyldeWolf1 Tell me you're being facetious, please! That "heart attack" was part of a lame angle--one of many Flair was put in latter days.
Well, there was the heart attack angle, but unless my memory is starting to fail me, I think Ric had a seperate, legit collapse in WCW. I believe it was the week after he won the title from Jeff Jarrett, thus resulting in him having the title stripped. Some thought it may have been a heart attack. When it was discovered that it was not a heart attack, and it was nothing major they did the angle where Nash gave him the belt back (of course being WCW 2000 the title had changed hands about 32 times in the course of two weeks).
I could look this up, but I'm, ya know, lazy. | ExtremeLuchador
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| #14 Posted on 11.7.02 1823.46 Reposted on: 11.7.09 1823.46 | That collapse was an angle...WCW storylines said that he had a brain aneurism or something and Russo and Bischoff made fun of it for weeks until Russo "retired" and shaved Flair's head a few weeks later. | Eradicator
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| #15 Posted on 11.7.02 1829.49 Reposted on: 11.7.09 1831.44 |
Originally posted by ExtremeLuchador That collapse was an angle...WCW storylines said that he had a brain aneurism or something and Russo and Bischoff made fun of it for weeks until Russo "retired" and shaved Flair's head a few weeks later.
I overcame my laziness:
From CRZ's May 17, 2000 Thunder report:
We end a bit early - that Flair collapse was NOT a work - that's why you didn't see it on TV. Go check out the Torch for the skinny, if you're into that. Hey, everybody think a pleasant thought for Ric Flair...just in case.
CRZ | Dahak
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| #16 Posted on 12.7.02 0048.06 Reposted on: 12.7.09 0059.04 | Flair and Hogan will probably tag together for a while and win the title at least once. Then Flair will lose in a retirement match to some young guy. Of course Flair has been retired before so who knows what will happen. | ekedolphin
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| #17 Posted on 12.7.02 0212.22 Reposted on: 12.7.09 0212.42 | The first collapse mentioned (not the separate one related to him winning the title) was definitely a work, in my view.
Flair was going nuts in the ring and all of a sudden he collapsed... at first, people thought he'd had a heart attack, but after Starrcade '98 it was revealed that he'd been poisoned by Eric Bischoff and Curt Hennig.
...Or something like that. | Mild Mannered Madman
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| #18 Posted on 12.7.02 0216.38 Reposted on: 12.7.09 0219.21 |
Originally posted by Eradicator
Originally posted by ExtremeLuchador That collapse was an angle...WCW storylines said that he had a brain aneurism or something and Russo and Bischoff made fun of it for weeks until Russo "retired" and shaved Flair's head a few weeks later.
I overcame my laziness:
From CRZ's May 17, 2000 Thunder report:
We end a bit early - that Flair collapse was NOT a work - that's why you didn't see it on TV. Go check out the Torch for the skinny, if you're into that. Hey, everybody think a pleasant thought for Ric Flair...just in case.
CRZ
It was problems with his equilibrium. He got his eardrum busted in 1992 in a match against The Ultimate Warrior. | ekedolphin
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| #19 Posted on 12.7.02 0229.08 Reposted on: 12.7.09 0229.33 | If I remember correctly, the equilibrium problems hurt Ric to the point where the WWF got the belt off of him and put it on Bret Hart. Most of the WWF main-eventers at that time were either hurt like Flair or laying low like Hogan, so Bret was given a run with it.
Turned out to be a good choice. | Freeway
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| #20 Posted on 12.7.02 0306.21 Reposted on: 12.7.09 0319.51 | Easy Answer:
Since Ric Flair is a 30-minute man in a 5-minute TV world, just save all his matches for PPV. Have him manage/advice some young buck or some established guy, so when established guy loses to his opponent, his mentor can step in and...WOOO! Walk that aisle...
For instance, Chris Benoit vs. Rob Van Dam. Say that Ric Flair likes Van Dam's style, and shows him the ropes. Benoit comes in and insults VD, and Flair, saying Flair's old and washed up. Before Flair can challenge Benoit, VD steps up and challenges Benoit. Matches ensue, ending with Benoit winning via cheating, because heels are evil and therefore they cheat. Benoit gloats, but then Flair notes that if Benoit wants to play that game, he might as well play with the Dirtist Player in the Game. A no DQ match ensues. It doesn't really matter who wins, as long as they win barely. That way, a Flair squeaker puts Benoit over as a guy who can barely be beaten, and as such also puts RVD over as a guy who barely lost to a guy who can barely be beaten. A Benoit squeaker puts him over a guy who can beat the legendary, and puts RVD over as a guy who can barely loses to the guy who beats legends.
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