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#1 Posted on 7.7.02 2329.05
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In an effort to have Molly be the #1 talked-about wrestler, and not Dee-Dee Legs or the departing Austin, I do this thread.

These days, it is not considered 'cool' to admit that you are a virgin as an adult. I am a vigin for one, and I get unsolicited sex advice all the time. A lot of credit has to be given to Molly to admit that she is so. Instead of the insipid fat-ass angle, the viginity one is a natural angle to work on, as there are already jokes about that, she is really one and she wants to emphasize it.

So here is an idea: After this stupid fatass angle is over, Trish would make up with Molly, by setting Molly out on dates with ravishing men in several cities. Molly be tempted to lose her virginity to several of these men, but ultimately say no. A couple of compromising positions put in picture, shown to the audience, and Molly's reactions to them would be part of the payoff. If handled right, this could be like the best angle ever, like an anti-"Sex and the City". It's a win-win, Molly gets to be one the WWE's heel sex symbols by remaining celibate, and Trish would be face by being 'helpful'.



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#2 Posted on 8.7.02 0036.34
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The problem is such an angle would basically be begging for her to turn face by getting laid as far as I can tell. And that would seem to ruin the whole point of it. I really just don't see any sort of viable long term angle working out of Molly being a virgin. It seems more the sort of thing to throw in from time to time to help make her the AC Green of WWE. Have a little smug air when mentioning it, but not be her entire rationale for her fighting.
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#3 Posted on 8.7.02 0234.31
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You're right. It can be get icky. But it can work as a double switch: Trish being a heel who tries to tempt Molly into sin...No, fans may not buy that.

Wait a minute: just because Molly is a virgin it doesn't mean she can't find somebody to love. Because of the Internet this can be a tricky move to pull off. Remember when Randy Savage had all the heel managers vie for him, then he chose Elizabeth, his wife, to be his manager. The fans went, "What? Who is she?" Of course it turned she was one of the best finds ever. Have Molly do a similar angle about getting engaged to someone, and at the end she finds the One to marry, although only they know it from day one. The key is that it is to be kept under wraps. Molly and Spike went over very well with the fans. And besides, even heels need love too.

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#4 Posted on 8.7.02 0251.11
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    Originally posted by deadbeater
    And besides, even heels need love too.


Couldn't have said it any better myself. Very funny.
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#5 Posted on 8.7.02 0349.00
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Only in the WWF would the immaculate virgin be a heel, and the promiscuous girl the face.

Is this a sign of how far our culture has fallen, or a sign of how wrestling has fallen?
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#6 Posted on 8.7.02 0437.13
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I never really thought that a girl being a virgin was such an outrageous idea. I could see a guy being made fun of for being a virgin, but not a girl.
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#7 Posted on 8.7.02 0456.23
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    Originally posted by pinnacleofallthingsmanly
    I never really thought that a girl being a virgin was such an outrageous idea. I could see a guy being made fun of for being a virgin, but not a girl.

Gee thanks, that makes me feel so good about myself. To take this subject off-topic, I think it's more abnormal for a women to be a virgin, quite frankly. I mean, I've got to be frank, I'm a life-long celibate (I like the sound of that slightly better), but to tell the truth it's not really by choice. I'm just kind of shy around people, and I'm into doing a lot of the stuff that goes with dating nowadays. If I *could* get some meaningless, no-strings-attached sex, I think I would jump at it. Whereas, with a women who's a virgin, I think it's her choice a little more. I mean, if some women came up to me and offered sex (notwithstanding pregenancy and STDs and whatever else) I'd jump on it, with no consideration to her looks. After all, I'm no myself.

Anyway, I'm rambling, so whatever. I better just stop.
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#8 Posted on 8.7.02 0908.03
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Since Molly can be on both shows and Vince Russo is back why not try a "hollywood" angle? In honor of Seinfeld, Mark Henry, Farrooq, Randy Orton, and Rico have a "contest" ala Seinfeld. Henry can date Molly who insists on being a virgin for life, making him lose. Imagine the hilarity.
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#9 Posted on 8.7.02 0923.29
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They could count the number of dates, keep harping on about how many dates untouched she has had and then have Kevin Nash end the streak at Wrestlemania. Or something.

I can't help reading this thread and think that some of it is begging for an appearance in a certain column on 411...
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#10 Posted on 8.7.02 0941.31
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Only in the WWF would the immaculate virgin be a heel, and the promiscuous girl the face.


In my mind, it's not that she's a virgin that makes Molly the heel, it's that she's arrogant about it.

Making out like you're better than everyone else is what makes a heel, no?
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#11 Posted on 8.7.02 1518.09
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In my eyes, Molly has been the face in most of her faceoffs.
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#12 Posted on 8.7.02 1637.33
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Yeah, Molly's character has been arrogant in these storylines, but The Rock has acted the same since he switched from Rocky Miavia to The Rock in 1997, and yet he is considered a face today even though he is still arrogant. I mean he treated poor lovable Mick Foley like shit when the guy was giving him a touching "this is your life" tribute and yet was a babyface because he got cheered, and faced off against guys like Triple H and Undertaker and Vince McMahon who were bigger dicks then him (but were not as entertaining on the microphone).

Simply being arrogant really isn't enough for you to be a heel, not even merely cheating as even babyfaces cheat to win in this day and age. Especially when your opponent looks less sympathetic then you do and you look more justified.

I see Molly's current character and why she nailed Trish with that wooden paddle in the first place is that she, a wrestler who has paid her dues and has been trained by male wrestlers, is sick of being passed over in favor of girls who don't know how to wrestle just because they have big boobs and great looks and is sick of the way the company promotes women overall (not the real Molly necessarily, but the character she portrays) and how she is not appreciated for busting her ass in the ring.

Kind of like what Mick Foley used to do in ECW with his anti-Hardcore promos and what Bret Hart was doing during his pro-Canada/anti-America feud with Steve Austin in the fact that their characters had legitimate gripes against the people they were "being heels" to. That is why I kind of find it hard to root against Molly when she faces off against Trish or when she is giving Jackie Gyia a justified beating for being an arrogant bitch.

Maybe she could add some more bitterness to her "pure and wholesome" preachy attitude to her character to really make it whiny and thus unlikable, like Foley and Hart did in the things I mentioned. Maybe that might increase her heel heat a little more, but I don't know.

Either way, I will always consider Molly to be one of my favorites. :D
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#13 Posted on 8.7.02 1659.13
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"Maybe she could add some more bitterness to her "pure and wholesome" preachy attitude to her character to really make it whiny and thus unlikable, like Foley and Hart did in the things I mentioned. Maybe that might increase her heel heat a little more, but I don't know."

Nah, she would work better as a face at this point. Turn Trish heel again and turn Molly too. With Victoria finally being added to the roster a female heel stable vs. Molly could finally work out well.

Personally I am starting to get a little sick of all the Molly worshipping on this board. Sure she looks good, is more natural, has a lot of talent, and the "fat ass" angle is a bit lame, but lighten up, Francis! It's not like she is god or something, and its not like Trish hasn't proven herself. Also, one of the other females that gets a good deal of attention, Ivory, is also fake as well, so it's not like just because a "diva" has fake parts doesn't mean they are automatically EVIL compared to the holy Molly.

I guess most of you guys have been raised for years on a steady diet of what the WWF/WWE thinks you should find attractive, so I understand your over-appreciation for Molly. But I think its time to just tone it down a bit now and realize that other women can be awesome in the division too, even if they aren't "all natural." After all, I think the days when all we had in female wrestling were all natural women is long gone and is not going to return. I don't know about you, but I would much rather see Trish vs. Ivory than Big Bertha vs. Moolah.

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#14 Posted on 8.7.02 1704.17
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Only in the WWF would the immaculate virgin be a heel, and the promiscuous girl the face.

    Is this a sign of how far our culture has fallen, or a sign of how wrestling has fallen?



It's not bieng a virgin that makes her the heel. It's her trying to tell the audience what why we are not as good as she is. The audience doesn't like to be told what to do or that we're wrong.
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#15 Posted on 8.7.02 1732.28
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Hmmmmm......

On wwe.com, it says that the RAW brand will be doing a house show on 7/14/02.

At Stabler Arena.

In Bethlehem, PA.

Even though it won't be televised, the mind staggers at the prospect of what they'll do with the whole business of Molly's virginity.

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#16 Posted on 8.7.02 1744.00
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Okay, I know Wienerville is the home of the Molly Fan Club, and I swear I'm a proud member myself, but what is the with the seeming fascination on this board with turning Trish heel? She is one of the most over faces on Raw right now, and there are no faces of her stature that I can see on the horizon right now. Until either Lita comes back or they can develop someone new as a top level face (Linda perhaps?), to me it seems turning Trish would not only harm her, but the entire women's division.
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#17 Posted on 8.7.02 1758.48
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SPF, I have been the major one calling for a Trish heel turn, and I actually AGREE with you. I think Trish is the most over and believable face the women have had in ages, so throwing it away for a heel Trish would not *necessairly* be a good move. I just think it would be an interesting one, and MAYBE, if done right, could be better than face Trish right now if that's even possible. I would hate to see her loose her face appeal, but since "evil vamp Trish" was before a lot of new fans' WWE watching days, I think it may be interesting to pull it out again sometime in the near future.

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#18 Posted on 8.7.02 1812.02
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    Originally posted by DMC
    "Maybe she could add some more bitterness to her "pure and wholesome" preachy attitude to her character to really make it whiny and thus unlikable, like Foley and Hart did in the things I mentioned. Maybe that might increase her heel heat a little more, but I don't know."

    Nah, she would work better as a face at this point. Turn Trish heel again and turn Molly too. With Victoria finally being added to the roster a female heel stable vs. Molly could finally work out well.



Well whatever man. I don't care whether Molly is a face or a heel as long as she is given a character that has a chance to get over and is given some good TV time to get over. She is a talented women and is great at playing both the face and the heel in my humble opinion.

Of course turning Trish heel while she is still quite over a face (not as over as she could be given the stupidity of the "big ass" angle" of course) would not exactly be a good thing to do, and Molly has turned heel and face quite a few times in her WWE career so far. I wouldn't want her to become a Lex Luger or Big Show where she jumps the fences so many times that fans no longer have any reason to care about her at all.


    Personally I am starting to get a little sick of all the Molly worshipping on this board. Sure she looks good, is more natural, has a lot of talent, and the "fat ass" angle is a bit lame, but lighten up, Francis! It's not like she is god or something, and its not like Trish hasn't proven herself.


I don't think anyone is saying Trish hasn't proved herself, or that she doesn't have talent. The general thought is that she is one of the best women in the division. Ivory and Molly and Trish and even Victoria are getting pimped on here because they have talent and can wrestle, unlike Stacy and Torrie Wilson.

Besides, Trish has gotten what she has deserved. Two women's title reigns. Now it's Molly's turn.

(edited by AndrewGilkison on 8.7.02 1614)
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#19 Posted on 8.7.02 1817.46
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I see another problem with Molly's current angle: it is a duplicate of someone else's gimmick, one who is admittedly doing it infinitely better. That is of course Kurt Angle.

Wait a minute: why do we need constant heels and faces? How about making a compelling storyline for the women, like Rock and Sock, that transends hero and villain.

Here's another angle: One mentioned that the women's division need to be more than T and A. We can have Molly try to train the other women to really wrestle (she did train Trish) with little result, as they ignore her or make fun of her. Then she comes up with a devil of a plan. Like Q introducing the Enterprise to the Borg, she should introduce the WWE girls some real wrestlers in the form of a GAEA/ARISON invasion on RAW.

Manami Toyota, Toshido Yamada and Aja Kong watch from the stands get bored from another Bra and panties match, and decide to jump in the ring to beat up and strip both wrestlers. Molly comes down and introduce them to the US audience, telling all the women in WWE that what they do is pathetic. She then claims that she try to show pure wholesome goodness wrestling, like the style Aja, Manami and Toshido do everyday in Japan. After talking down on them a bit more, she then challenge three of the WWE's best against the titans. Of course the WWE women get squashed and spanked. Then they relent and finally let Molly train them, very very hard. Her training regimen of course makes Total Fitness, Tough Enough and Boot Camp look like two picnics and a trip to Disney World. The should make her mega heel. When it comes to the ultimate match against the three, they barely manage to win in the best women's match ever.

It establishes that Molly is a master trainer/taskmaster and in turn makes the women into wrestling machines.
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#20 Posted on 8.7.02 1839.17
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    Originally posted by DMC
    "Maybe she could add some more bitterness to her "pure and wholesome" preachy attitude to her character to really make it whiny and thus unlikable, like Foley and Hart did in the things I mentioned. Maybe that might increase her heel heat a little more, but I don't know."

    Nah, she would work better as a face at this point. Turn Trish heel again and turn Molly too. With Victoria finally being added to the roster a female heel stable vs. Molly could finally work out well.

    Personally I am starting to get a little sick of all the Molly worshipping on this board. Sure she looks good, is more natural, has a lot of talent, and the "fat ass" angle is a bit lame, but lighten up, Francis! It's not like she is god or something, and its not like Trish hasn't proven herself. Also, one of the other females that gets a good deal of attention, Ivory, is also fake as well, so it's not like just because a "diva" has fake parts doesn't mean they are automatically EVIL compared to the holy Molly.

    I guess most of you guys have been raised for years on a steady diet of what the WWF/WWE thinks you should find attractive, so I understand your over-appreciation for Molly. But I think its time to just tone it down a bit now and realize that other women can be awesome in the division too, even if they aren't "all natural." After all, I think the days when all we had in female wrestling were all natural women is long gone and is not going to return. I don't know about you, but I would much rather see Trish vs. Ivory than Big Bertha vs. Moolah.

    DMC



I can't speak for everyone else, but as far as I am concerned, I just like Molly's look, wrestling, and personality. I have liked her ever since she was in the WCW as Mona/Ms. Madness. It isn't because she looks "natural" as opposed to some of the other women or because I am anti-Trish or anti-Ivory. The biggest problem I have with the fatass angle is Lawler's involvement in it. I also cannot say enough good things about Trish for her improvement in the ring and her overall quality in every aspect of her wrestling. Trish has proven how great she is and she is one of my favorites. I definitely don't hold the stance that "fake" women are "evil" compared to Molly. Even though Molly is my favorite, I love all the female wrestlers that have something to contribute to the division.
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