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#1 Posted on 17.5.10 1405.33
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Expected there would have been a thread by now complaining about how stupid the end of Siege was.

(and now there is I guess)

Best fun book of last few weeks I read was the toon Brave and Bold issue with Egghead and Egg Fu.
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#2 Posted on 17.5.10 1417.29
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While I wish the fight with The Void had been a few more pages, I thought it was cool.

Of course we knew the outcome thanks to all the Heroic Age teasers, but for a second I was thinking "oh shit, how will they do this?"

What might have worked better if they had done the "aftermath" in all of the surrounding books and just do the huge battle in Siege 4. But I had no problems with the story.
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#3 Posted on 17.5.10 1424.51
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I actually wasn't able to brush through "Siege" until last night, as my comic days are coming later and later these days.

To sum it up, years after Marvel said that they wouldn't just undo what happened in Civil War, they essentially...undid Civil War. In the pages of "Iron Man", you get Tony Stark conveniently having his mind rebooted and having no memory of what he did in CW and now in "Siege", you get the formal repeal of the Superhuman Registration Act. It's a pretty major retcon.

Of course, the CW ending was much more insulting to the reader's intelligence than this, so I looked at the Siege ending as a way to undo that. I also looked at it as a way of erasing The Sentry for a good, long while, which can't be anything but a positive.

And speaking of The Sentry, if ANYTHING showed that he needed to be taken off the board, it was that nonsense of an epilogue issue he had. Who thought it was a good idea to link him to ROGUE? ROMANTICALLY? Man, is it nice to have him gone.

In short, Siege wasn't awesome, but more of a necessary evil. Maybe Marvel can get back to writing some better stories. I've got high hopes for Andy Diggle's Shadowland event.
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#4 Posted on 17.5.10 1448.10
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Siege: The Apology except for Spider-man. I flipped through that and the New Avengers' Finale, it looked ok. My friend who works at the comic book store explained it to me that it was the moment all of Marvel could breath a sigh of relief unless you like Spidey. I also read most of Utopia plus some Dark Reign stuff at Barnes and Noble on Saturday. Sentry pissed me off more and more as I kept reading. Can anyone be this retarded? Apparently, so. The Post CW world had some interesting ideas like Avengers Initiative, World War Hulk, Secret Invasion and so on, but they all had some bullshit finish that limped or dragged you into the next big arc where it just got worse. I don't know if its the decline in sales if there was any after Civil War, the constant fan bitching about post-CW or the fact they are now owned by Disney who probably wants a more clean universe then the one before. I am just waiting for someone to bring up Spidey pact with Satan thing in one of those board meetings or the fact the movie is on its way and we can't have them at each other's throats for the next few years. Probably a little of 3 and 4. Regardless, its a step in the right direction, but to me Spidey needs to be fixed.
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#5 Posted on 17.5.10 1448.24
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    Originally posted by It's False
    And speaking of The Sentry, if ANYTHING showed that he needed to be taken off the board, it was that nonsense of an epilogue issue he had. Who thought it was a good idea to link him to ROGUE? ROMANTICALLY? Man, is it nice to have him gone.



When in his Rogue-spooning days did he marry his wife? They had been married for a while, right? Hadn't Rogue been with Gambit since then, also for a healthy chunk of time? That's a bizarre development to toss out there.

I liked the Siege mini because it was one big fight. That's what I want. And the established titles handled the moments between fight scenes specific to those franchises. I appreciate that.

I hope that we can shelve crossovers for a while. Oh look. Shadowland.
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#6 Posted on 17.5.10 1835.23
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Add in to Sentry's cavorting the fact that he a ret-conned relationship with the Inhumans' Crystal (detailed in a Civil War issue of "New Avengers" a few years ago). When the Sentry character and concept came out about 10 years ago, it was a cool premise... but he never seemed like an engaging character. I'm glad that they wrote him off and sacrificed him for SIEGE.

His wife was killed by Bullseye and I'm sure CLOC was conveniently wiped away when the big Sentry Tower faded out. But his super-powered Corgi is still out there....probably to make an appearance the next time we see something like "Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers".

Comic fans usually want a big FIGHT to resolve everything. In that sense, SIEGE delivered. But the big issue I had with it was how having live TV news crews supposedly set everything right-- since Marvel's Joe Q. Public saw it all on TV.

The public was manipulated by TV to begin the whole mess (Nitro blowing up Stamford, Osborn supposedly saving the day in Secret Invasion, etc.). So it irks me a little bit how Marvel, over the years, has used TV news cameras to sway the public's opinion as a deux ex machina of sorts. Iron Man, Thor and the rest looking swell after a big fight isn't that different from Norman Osborn catching the spotlight in the big Skrull fight. You kinda' wish the Marvel Public would have a little more backbone and not blindly follow the TV.
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#7 Posted on 17.5.10 2105.09
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    Originally posted by dWs
    You kinda' wish the Marvel Public would have a little more backbone and not blindly follow the TV.
I find it depressingly realistic.
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#8 Posted on 17.5.10 2123.36
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I did not read Siege. I have been sucker enough to read every big crossover event Marvel's put out over the last ten years or so. But I got burned so bad on Secret Invasion (without hyperbole, I believe it to be the worst comic book I've ever read), that I finally learned my lesson. When I heard Bendis was writing Siege, it didn't matter how much I liked the pitch for the story, I knew I would regret buying it. And now, after the fact, learning about the story second-hand, I know I made the right decision for myself.

And just so I don't sound like an unbearable comic snob, has anybody been reading the Fall of the Hulks stuff? I've been enjoying that, although I've mostly been sticking to the stuff Pak and Parker have been writing.
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#9 Posted on 18.5.10 1327.24
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I did not read Siege. I have been sucker enough to read every big crossover event Marvel's put out over the last ten years or so. But I got burned so bad on Secret Invasion (without hyperbole, I believe it to be the worst comic book I've ever read), that I finally learned my lesson. When I heard Bendis was writing Siege, it didn't matter how much I liked the pitch for the story, I knew I would regret buying it. And now, after the fact, learning about the story second-hand, I know I made the right decision for myself.

    And just so I don't sound like an unbearable comic snob, has anybody been reading the Fall of the Hulks stuff? I've been enjoying that, although I've mostly been sticking to the stuff Pak and Parker have been writing.

I thought Siege was much better than Secret Invasion, at least in terms of the main series. The Sentry one shot might have been he funniest comic I have read in years, for all the wrong reasons.

Also enjoying Fall of/World War Hulks, but I think the Loeb issues have improved quite a bit over the last 6 months, taking on a less cartoony feel. By that I mean the plot, not the awesome, but cartoony, art by McGuiness.
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#10 Posted on 19.5.10 2156.37
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    Originally posted by It's False
    In short, Siege wasn't awesome, but more of a necessary evil. Maybe Marvel can get back to writing some better stories. I've got high hopes for Andy Diggle's Shadowland event.


"Siege" was the pretzels! The Sentry = Poochie!!

Oh who am I kidding? I didn't read it. I'm down to the Hulk (at least thru the end of World War Hulks, but will probably continue to buy "Hulk" if McGuinness stays on art), Captain America, and what were the "Cosmic" books ("Nova" and "Guardians of the Galaxy" which now look to have been cancelled or on hiatus thru the "Thanos Imperative" and potentially re-launched with #1's)

Having heard about the Sentry/Rogue "tryst" I'm glad I stayed away. Hope those of you who did buy it enjoyed it though!
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#11 Posted on 19.5.10 2223.11
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best book so far this week was the pepper potts one-shot written conveniently by Matt Fraction's wife Kelly Sue.
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