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#1 Posted on 3.7.02 0624.39
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I am really, really looking forwards to seeing the Cruise/Speilberg flick "Minority Report" which is released here in the UK on July 4th. Has it been released in the States yet? If it has, is it any good? Buzz from early previews over here has been good and it's being touted as a blockbuster that (shock!) actually has something worth saying about invasion of privacy and consumerism.

Regardless, I'm hyped up about seeing this film, as I'm a big Philip K. Dick fan and Lord knows there's been a couple of decent movie adaptions been done from that source material!
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#2 Posted on 3.7.02 0729.18
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It's Cruise at his best--all full of angst and RUNNING all the damn time.

I won't give anything away, just to say that like most movies there is a leap of faith (suspension of belief) that you have to make in order for the plot to not unravel.

That being said, I enjoyed this movie a great deal. Lots of fun.
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#3 Posted on 3.7.02 0939.00
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I saw it Saturday and it was pretty awesome. If a movie like that sucks like, oh I don't know, "Pearl Harbor", then I always get to the point of the movie where I say "well, of course, he's still alive, he's Ben Affleck and the movie still has two more hours to go." Not the case with this one, and I was pleasantly surprised that there was a lot more to it that the trailer lets on.
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#4 Posted on 3.7.02 0942.09
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I liked it, though not as much as AI (and again, I'll freely admit to being probably the only person who thought AI was terrific). There was a big streak of bizarre humor in the movie that I wasn't expecting, which I think helped keep me and the audience I saw it with on our toes for the dramatic stuff. I don't think some of the things I've seen listed as plot holes in other places were really plot holes at all, but that's probably best left for discussion here after a few more people have seen the movie.

I thought Tom Cruise was at his best in this one when the movie reached the point where he became really detached and alienated from everyone and everything around him, particularly the times he was in the city and in the greenhouse. He did a nice job of showing how having certain knowledge made him completely out of touch with his surroundings, like he was either a few beats behind or ahead of what was going on.
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#5 Posted on 3.7.02 1014.49
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I too thought that AI was all that and a bag of potato chips, and I am surprised that people bagged on it.

Anyways, MR was a great summer flick and even if you don't understand all of it (I'm still trying to figure it out), you will still enjoy the heck out of it. Samatha Morton was AWESOME in the flick as well as Cruise.
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#6 Posted on 3.7.02 1046.47
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One question....

The old guy knew how to stage the murder in the lake to look like an echo. That I understand.

But how did he set up Mr. Cruise. He told the guy to have the pictures of his kid in the apartment and be there at a specific time, after Cruise looked at the pictures to find his kid. The events that led him there was the precogs vision that he would murder this guy. Yet, if it wasn't for the vision itself, he would have never been in that apartment.

This, for a moment, led me to believe that the old man who set him up made the precogs somehow show that vision. Yet, that was impossible, since he couldn't do that to cover-up his mess.

Every scenerio I think of ends up with a huge whole, anyone have any ideas?
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#7 Posted on 3.7.02 1254.41
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    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    I too thought that AI was all that and a bag of potato chips, and I am surprised that people bagged on it


to paraphrase CRZ

"that movie WAS THE PRETZELS!!!"
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#8 Posted on 3.7.02 1518.25
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    Originally posted by JTR23
    One question....

    The old guy knew how to stage the murder in the lake to look like an echo. That I understand.

    But how did he set up Mr. Cruise. He told the guy to have the pictures of his kid in the apartment and be there at a specific time, after Cruise looked at the pictures to find his kid. The events that led him there was the precogs vision that he would murder this guy. Yet, if it wasn't for the vision itself, he would have never been in that apartment.

    This, for a moment, led me to believe that the old man who set him up made the precogs somehow show that vision. Yet, that was impossible, since he couldn't do that to cover-up his mess.

    Every scenerio I think of ends up with a huge whole, anyone have any ideas?



SPOILERS AHOY!

They already covered this: the guy that Cruise killed was hired to make it look like he killed Cruise's son, so that Cruise would kill him. Since Burgess (the old guy) knew that Cruise WOULD kill the guy who killed his kid, it was a simple matter of hiring him. He didn't set him up, per ce, because Cruise DID kill him. As for going to the apartment, it's simple fatalist dogma: even if you stop the future from happening, it doesn't change the fact that it was GOING to happen. In Cruise's case, when he was working on finding the apartment, Agatha and the victim, he wasn't going AWAY from the murder, and wasn't stopping it, but was rather following the slipstream of fate, as it was.
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#9 Posted on 3.7.02 1605.03
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AI spoilers, ahoy!

AI wasn't bad... But I think it would have been better to end it fading to black while the kidbot was saying "I wish I was a real boy..." repeatedly. That ending would have been obviously sad, and about a half hour shorter... And less sad than the ending that they had (Sure, it was a superficially happy ending, but when you think about it for like 5 seconds, you realize how absolutely sad it is, poor li'l bastid robot having to exist for a long assed time without the hope of seeing his mother again). The movie was pure emotional blackmail, for the most part though. It wasn't that bad, but it wasn't that great either.

I will see Minority Report sometime though, when it gets here in September or when it's out on video.
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#10 Posted on 3.7.02 1802.13
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***SPOILERS****

Freeway420,
That I understand perfect, got it. I know the old man understands that if Cruise would kill him, which he did. The thing I have wrong with it is the old man knew Cruise was on to his murder, and set this up to sidetrack him.

So the old man hires that guy to be in that apartment. If it wasn't for the vision of Cruise killing him, it would have never happened. The old man had no control on what visions were seen. My point is, the old man hires the guy. That sets up that. But how did the old man know the precogs would invision something to take him to that apartment. Yes, the precog Agitha saw everything dead on, but it was based off a future that would only exist if she saw the vision. Cruise's character would have never been there if it wasn't for the vision.

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#11 Posted on 3.7.02 2258.27
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On Minority Report (spoilers, of course):

Burgess can't know what the precogs are going to see for Anderton's future. What he does is create a situation where he knows Anderton will commit murder in order to set things in motion (when Anderton runs, he knows he's succeeded), and after that, he just has to find a way to lead Anderton along. So you get the scenes during Anderton's original escape where Burgess is desperately trying to convince Anderton to come see him or to go somewhere and then contact him, so that he can eventually get Anderton to that apartment with Leo Crow.

Anderton opts not to go see him or contact him, though, so Burgess has to lead him to the apartment from afar. And that's why Anderton's eyes still open the doors at the Pre-Crime HQ: Burgess is the head of the unit and he needs Anderton to get in so he can get Agatha, who will lead him to Crowe, so he's pulling the strings and making sure Anderton can still get to that apartment.

On AI (spoilers, but hey, it's been out over a year now):

I've heard a lot of people suggest ending the movie when David is underwater and it definitely would have been a compelling ending, but it would have left out some important plot and thematic points. The scenes in the future show that Joe was right about the robots inheriting the planet and it keeps up the Frankenstein motif that I think a lot of people miss (ending the movie with the Creature in a boat surrounded by ice). Thematically, the key is about how even though these super-powerful, near-godlike robots have run over all the earth, they still dedicate their existence towards looking at the past and trying to find out where they came from, instead of where they're going. Just like we do today (archeology, religion) and like David does in the movie. I think the question there is, how long can we afford to look to the past and worry about whether we're "being loved back", and can we be happy if we find the answer we're looking for and it's hollow or fleeting like what David ends up with? I think it can be argued that Teddy or Joe become just as, if not more human than David at their respective endings.

I just encourage people to watch it and think about how David believes he's Pinnochio, but the story being told is actually Frankenstein and its inspiration, Paradise Lost. It really changes the way a lot of things seem.
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#12 Posted on 4.7.02 1124.12
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    The old guy knew how to stage the murder in the lake to look like an echo. That I understand.

    But how did he set up Mr. Cruise. He told the guy to have the pictures of his kid in the apartment and be there at a specific time, after Cruise looked at the pictures to find his kid. The events that led him there was the precogs vision that he would murder this guy. Yet, if it wasn't for the vision itself, he would have never been in that apartment.

    This, for a moment, led me to believe that the old man who set him up made the precogs somehow show that vision. Yet, that was impossible, since he couldn't do that to cover-up his mess.

    Every scenerio I think of ends up with a huge whole, anyone have any ideas?


This reminds me of the inherent problem in Memento: if the guy forgets everything every fifteen minutes, how does he remember that he has short-term memory loss?
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#13 Posted on 6.7.02 1750.59
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I thought Minority Report was great.

My answer to the plot hole is this. The one thing that made this movie make any sense to me was the fact that Anderton was a brown ball. Red was spontaneous, brown was predetermined. At first, it seemed to me that he should have been red. He didn't know for sure that he was going to kill Crow until about four minutes before he did it. In Andertons' mind, though, he knew whenever he found the person that took his son, he would kill him. It is one of the two things he said he always thought about. He had his mind made up long ago what he was going to do, but he didn't know who he was going to do it to. If not for him being set up, he never would have found out who did it and never would have had the chance to kill him. When Burgess set him up, it made the (false) kidnapper within reach of Anderton. This set off the precogs, who knew, in Anderton's mind, he had every intention of killing that man.

Eh. This makes sense in my mind, but I don't think I got the idea out of my head and on to this board without screwing it up. I tried.

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#14 Posted on 8.7.02 0811.13
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    Originally posted by mskj
    I thought Minority Report was great.

    My answer to the plot hole is this. The one thing that made this movie make any sense to me was the fact that Anderton was a brown ball. Red was spontaneous, brown was predetermined. At first, it seemed to me that he should have been red. He didn't know for sure that he was going to kill Crow until about four minutes before he did it. In Andertons' mind, though, he knew whenever he found the person that took his son, he would kill him. It is one of the two things he said he always thought about. He had his mind made up long ago what he was going to do, but he didn't know who he was going to do it to. If not for him being set up, he never would have found out who did it and never would have had the chance to kill him. When Burgess set him up, it made the (false) kidnapper within reach of Anderton. This set off the precogs, who knew, in Anderton's mind, he had every intention of killing that man.

    Eh. This makes sense in my mind, but I don't think I got the idea out of my head and on to this board without screwing it up. I tried.




*SPOILER*
This was the same problem I had. How come they had little warning for Ayre Gross doing a Sid impression on his wife at the start of the film but had hours for the Crow murder?

Awesome film, apart from that
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#15 Posted on 8.7.02 0914.21
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During the first act they said that the precogs could see a murder up to four days ahead of the actual murder, and that they had less time when they got a red ball. They (Tom and the black guy from "the Practice") also made some snide comments when Anderton's brown ball was just starting to be made about how would someone be dumb enough to preplan a murder anymore.

It all pretty much adds up, I think.

(edited by JayJayDean on 8.7.02 0714)
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#16 Posted on 8.7.02 1004.20
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My only major plot problem was that here was a guy with tons of government access. He gets charged with pre-murder, is on the run from the law, and NO ONE thinks for a second to strip is access.

Okay.

That and his removed, decaying eyes STILL worked all the doors.

Despite this, I totally enjoyed the movie.

(edited by DrOp on 8.7.02 1104)
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#17 Posted on 8.7.02 1021.07
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I still don't think that's a plot problem, but actually a key to the plot. The head of the facility that he gets back into is pulling the strings all along. Once Anderton decided not to go to Burgess when he went on the run (as Burgess pleaded with him when Anderton is in the car), Burgess needed another way to get Anderton to Crow's apartment, and that meant making sure he could still get the information he needed from Pre-Crime (which only served to make Anderton look more guilty).
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#18 Posted on 8.7.02 1208.12
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Hmm...good call Doc.
I hadn't really looked at it like that before.
I guess these are the things left on the editing room floor (or folder) that you get in the director's cut. Or maybe not.

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