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#1 Posted on 30.12.09 2208.44
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Let's start by saying this affect all Time Warner cable customers because it also includes minor News Corp cable channels like Fuel, Fox Reality Channel, Speed Channel, Fox Soccer Channel, Fox Sports World Espanol, and FX in the deal. But the major impact appears to be subscribers in Los Angeles, New York, and Dallas, who would lose their Fox and MyNetworkTV affiliates from their cable.

News Corp wants $1 per subscriber per month for their Fox affiliates in those 3 markets. Of course Time Warner is comparing this to ransom.

It's hard for me to say which faceless corporation is right in this. On the one hand, News Corp is saying "Hey, give us $1 per subscriber. That's what TNT gets, and Fox gets higher ratings than TNT every hour of the day." That sounds reasonable to me.

As the quote up top says, Time Warner is saying they shouldn't have to pay for broadcast networks that air free, but that doesn't fly with me. If Time Warner is profiting from having Fox on their cable, then they should share some of that profit back to the network. That's like taking the free peanuts at the bar, mixing in some raisins, and then selling it to the other bar patrons at a profit.

On the other hand the networks are also profiting from being on cable. For simplicity sake, let's say viewership drops 20% if the cable company drops them (from people too lazy to install rabbit ears). That's 20% less viewers of their commercials, so they've just lost 20% of their advertising revenue. This lost revenue is the amount the broadcaster made from being on cable.

Bottom line is that it would be nice if all the cable companies and all the major broadcast owners got together and just figured out what the going rate should be for this. But given the way these contracts all end at different times, this is the kind of thing that we can expect to continue to happen for a while.
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#2 Posted on 30.12.09 2316.25
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It could have gone to arbitration as requested by Time Warner, but Fox knows they are being ridiculous so they declined.
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#3 Posted on 31.12.09 0753.46
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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo

    It's hard for me to say which faceless corporation is right in this. On the one hand, News Corp is saying "Hey, give us $1 per subscriber. That's what TNT gets, and Fox gets higher ratings than TNT every hour of the day." That sounds reasonable to me.

    As the quote up top says, Time Warner is saying they shouldn't have to pay for broadcast networks that air free, but that doesn't fly with me. If Time Warner is profiting from having Fox on their cable, then they should share some of that profit back to the network. That's like taking the free peanuts at the bar, mixing in some raisins, and then selling it to the other bar patrons at a profit.


Well, there's a huge difference between TNT on cable and Fox on cable. Namely, for that dollar per subscriber the cable company gets a certain amount of ad time every hour. That can be substantial revenue for the cable company.

Beyond that, of course, most customers can get the Fox station without cable. Or, at least, they could have back in the days when everyone had a rooftop antenna and signals were analog, which reached more people. Are people really paying cable to watch the over-the-air channels? Well, yeah, some are, especially those who are far from the broadcast towers. I don't know how many, though. So the comparison to TNT isn't fair...but I'm not sure how far off it really is.
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#4 Posted on 31.12.09 1011.45
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The reality is that after 50 years the business model is changing and these stations are getting killed in ad revenue. From what I have read, within a few years there may be no free broadcast tv.
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#5 Posted on 31.12.09 1058.23
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    Well, there's a huge difference between TNT on cable and Fox on cable. Namely, for that dollar per subscriber the cable company gets a certain amount of ad time every hour. That can be substantial revenue for the cable company.

    Beyond that, of course, most customers can get the Fox station without cable. Or, at least, they could have back in the days when everyone had a rooftop antenna and signals were analog, which reached more people. Are people really paying cable to watch the over-the-air channels? Well, yeah, some are, especially those who are far from the broadcast towers. I don't know how many, though. So the comparison to TNT isn't fair...but I'm not sure how far off it really is.


You're forgetting the (sadly) very popular Fox News Channel and the 85 (may be an exaggeration) Fox Sports Networks that are included in this $1 per subscriber dispute.

In all fairness, my company goes through the same thing with all the cable/satellite companies they deal with every few years (though it basically works out to one service provider a year). Currently Mediacom is the one we're fighting with, and all we have is OTA channels.
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