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odessasteps
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#21 Posted on 9.7.02 0846.45
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    Originally posted by Scott Summets
    In the comic he was never as dynamic a character as Hal, Guy, or the original and best(well my favorite) GL, Alex.


Do you, by chance, mean Alan Scott? Just curious.
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#22 Posted on 9.7.02 0926.01
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Yes I meant Alan Scott, damn brain fart. Anyway, I have always though Alan's costume was cool and loved him as a character. Sentiel (sp?) rocks too.
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#23 Posted on 9.7.02 1121.02
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I would change a lot of things about the JLA line-up.

First, I don't like Hawk-woman without Hawk-man. I always saw them as a team, though not that great in the first place.

Second, they are doing a piss-poor job with Flash. This guy was supposed to have a brain and a lot more speed/power.

Third, if you're going to go with the galaxy-scale plots, then Batman just doesn't fit in. He's a man with an obsession for fighting crime, not stopping aliens from shooting big lasers at other aliens. That's why Batman: TAS was so great.

Fourth, the villains suck. Solomon Grundy? C'mon! If the JLA is capable of taking on super-advanced alien civilizations, what kind of threat are villains like this? Gimme Darkside and a united Legion of Doom and I'll buy it.

Good things:

No Wonder Twins, Firestar, or other meaningless or too-powerful members.

No invisible jet.

Green Lantern kicks ass. I would have gone with Hal Jordan, but if they HAVE to do the PC thing, at least they made him interesting. Also, John Stewart has a large audience already as host of the Daily Show.

Conclusion: I'll always be a Marvel fan, but I need to stop limiting my TV viewing to ESPN, Comedy Central, and Cartoon Network.

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#24 Posted on 9.7.02 1142.43
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    Originally posted by WyldeWolf1
    Second, they are doing a piss-poor job with Flash. This guy was supposed to have a brain and a lot more speed/power.
You're putting Wally West and Barry Allen together. Barry was the brains, Wally has the speed. The version on the show is the pre-Mark Waid Wally West who hasn't tapped into the Speed Force yet. And the Speed Force is so convoluted, they would be insane to get into it on a cartoon show.
    Originally posted by WyldeWolf1
    Third, if you're going to go with the galaxy-scale plots, then Batman just doesn't fit in.
Since when? are you talking about YOUR ideal version of Batman (probably based on the Frank Miller DKR version who always speaks through gritted teeth and never smiles, right?) or the traditional comic book version? There's a big big difference there that a lot of self-professed "comic book fans" really don't know the difference between.
    Originally posted by WyldeWolf1
    He's a man with an obsession for fighting crime, not stopping aliens from shooting big lasers at other aliens.
No, he's a man with an obession for protecting the innocent. When big aliens shoot lasers at one another, innocents die. Batman wants to prevent those innocents from dying.
    Originally posted by WyldeWolf1
    Fourth, the villains suck. Solomon Grundy? C'mon!
Yeah, you're CLEARLY a Marvel fan.
    Originally posted by WyldeWolf1
    If the JLA is capable of taking on super-advanced alien civilizations, what kind of threat are villains like this?
Classic ones.
    Originally posted by WyldeWolf1
    Gimme Darkside and a united Legion of Doom and I'll buy it.
It's Darkseid. And the Legion of Doom, while very appropriate for the 80s incarnation of the SuperFriends, has NOTHING on The Injustice Gang. But of course, you have no point of reference.
    Originally posted by WyldeWolf1
    No Wonder Twins, Firestar, or other meaningless or too-powerful members.
Firestar? She's an Avenger. Are you talking Starfire who's a sometime member of Titans or Firestorm, a sometime member of the JLA?
    Originally posted by WyldeWolf1
    Green Lantern kicks ass. I would have gone with Hal Jordan
It would have been interesting to see a corpse fighting in action alongside the JLA.
    Originally posted by WyldeWolf1
    but if they HAVE to do the PC thing, at least they made him interesting.
It's not a "PC thing." It's called diversity. Newsflash. We have people of many different racial backgrounds in this world who watch this show. They deserve to be represented just as much as anyone else.
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#25 Posted on 9.7.02 1223.52
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Doesn't the JLA Flash also have the annoying "metabolism = eat all the time" gimmick? You might as well have Chunk and the Russian speedsters.

One problem with putting Batman in the galactic plots is the temptation of doing the Morrison Batman, who is the world's most perfect human being: razor smart, master of a billion martial arts and doesn't lose.

Which Injustice Gang are we talking about? Golden Age? Silver Age? Current JSA foes? Give me the Golden Age version, with the Wizard, Grundy, Brainwave and Mr and Mrs Menace.

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#26 Posted on 9.7.02 1540.37
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In theory, in the cartoon since the contintuity (sp?) is different, I figure they can have Hal if they wanted to.
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#27 Posted on 9.7.02 2243.05
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Part of the reason that they didn't use Hal Jordan in the Justice League cartoon was that they had already used half of his origin story in the "In Brightest Day" episode of Superman.

From my understanding, DC wanted to have Kyle Ryner (sp?) the modern age lantern in the episode. The animation team wasn't to fond of Kyle and pretty much made him Hal except he worked in the graphic design office of the Daily Planet instead of being a test pilot.
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#28 Posted on 9.7.02 2346.07
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I hate to say this but without the rose-coloed glasses, the Legion of Doom (which also included noted pillar of suck, Solomon Grundy. Yes. They even used his plan to kill the Superfriends)well, kinda sucked.

While it was a fanboy's wet dream to see all the major DC villians (and Black Manta because, well. . .) together, the were, individually or collectively just as stupid as everyone else on the Superfriends.

The one example of this that comes to mind is when the Legion of Doom made a deal with teh three-headed fire aliens. The deal was that the fire aliens would destroy the Earth, and the the Legion of Doom would rule it.

Maybe they shoulda been called the Legion of Dumb.

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#29 Posted on 10.7.02 1249.12
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To respond to Papercuts,

Let me first state that I was a fan of comics until about 6th grade (about 10 years ago), and even then not nearly as diehard a fan as you obviously are. I kept up with my favorites, and that's about it. Pardon me if I'm a little out of touch with comics these days (but be happy that the people studying to be physicians are studying anatomy and not the DC Universe).

Okay here's my take 2.0:

Flash: I remember the two Flashes, but I also remember that the second one was smarter than the guy on the cartoon. I don't know what the "Speed Force" thing is, I was just commenting that I remembered him being faster (and therefore more powerful since Force = Mass x Acceleration).

Batman: He doesn't fit in the big story arcs to me because, though intelligent and strong for a normal guy, I just don't buy him going man-to-man with characters on the scale of Superman and Green Lantern. If he was a kind of general for the group, using his brains to direct things, I could see him fitting in, but they seem to like Superman in this role.

The Villains: The reason guys like Solomon Grundy don't work is because one episode shows Green Lantern singlehandedly taking on a monster that has sapped the Lantern choir's power, and the next one has a really strong guy who talks funny. If they STARTED with characters like Grundy and built it up from there, then the challenges to the JLA are increasing, which to me makes more sense. Also keep in mind that "classic" villains only appeal to a select audience, and I don't know if that is what Cartoon Network is shooting for.

Sorry about mispelling "Darkseid"...it's been a while. Double that for Firestar/Firestorm mix-up. I was just expressing pleasure for the fact that some really lame characters in old incarnations of JLA cartoons were dropped.

Hal Jordan: When I think Green Lantern, this is who I think of; that's why I would prefer him. They don't seem to be concerned with who the current incarnation is, so who cares that he's dead in the comics? After all, I hear it's the "JLI" now.

PC/Diversity: Without going into it too much, my belief is that the color of one's skin doesn't matter, and I don't feel comfortable with people making decision on that basis no matter what the reasoning/outcome. I think of Americans as Americans, not "[Insert-your-ancestor's-country-of-origin-here]-Americans". I get depressed when I hear the vision of one of my personal heros of the 20th century, MLK, Jr.--that of a seamless, color-blind society--and then look around and see that we as a nation let the idiots who perpetuate the problem dictate our social mores. They're not going to stop me from treating my fellow Americans like brothers and sisters instead of some group foreign and separate from me.

Anyway, all I was trying to say was that Green Lantern is the best character in the cartoon by far, but I always think of Hal when I think Green Lantern. Well, sometimes I think of Shane Helms.

Final point: I spent too much time thinking about this. If a diehard fan like you is satisfied, Papercuts, then they must be doing a lot better than I thought.



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