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Mr Shh
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#1 Posted on 28.6.02 1148.24
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- The main event for this Saturday's MSG house show has changed from

Hogan - Undertaker to
Hogan, Austin - Flair, Guererro to
Hogan, HHH - Taker, Big Show back to
Hogan - Undertaker

I don't really care what it is, as long as Hogan's there. I got some sweet seats, so I'm jacked.

Plus, we got a ladder match between RVD and Guererro.

Can you believe that this will be the first in time in 9 years that Hogan will perform at MSG, and it's not even TV? Can't wait to see (hear) the reaction.

- I don't think anybody's said anything about this yet (maybe because nobody cares, but I think it rocks), but Sean O'Haire returns to TV this Sunday on Heat. I miss the Sean-ton Bomb. On a parallel note...

- I do NOT want to see Brock Lesnar pulling off Shooting Star Presses if it means that Kidman will be forced to stop doing them.

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#2 Posted on 28.6.02 1227.30
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Sounds like a rockin' show.

House report please! I'm especially interested in:

Reaction to Hogan from MSG.

Did Hogan and UT please the crowd

Did MSG even notice Eddy and RVD (because my worry is that sometimes, as good as they are, they get left by the crowd)

What Poped the crowd the biggest of the night. (I'm betting Hogan.. if it's him, what came in second.)

Envious, dude.

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#3 Posted on 28.6.02 1227.53
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    - The main event for this Saturday's MSG house show has changed from

    Hogan - Undertaker to
    Hogan, Austin - Flair, Guererro to
    Hogan, HHH - Taker, Big Show back to
    Hogan - Undertaker

    I don't really care what it is, as long as Hogan's there. I got some sweet seats, so I'm jacked.

    Plus, we got a ladder match between RVD and Guererro.

    Can you believe that this will be the first in time in 9 years that Hogan will perform at MSG, and it's not even TV? Can't wait to see (hear) the reaction.

    - I don't think anybody's said anything about this yet (maybe because nobody cares, but I think it rocks), but Sean O'Haire returns to TV this Sunday on Heat. I miss the Sean-ton Bomb. On a parallel note...

    - I do NOT want to see Brock Lesnar pulling off Shooting Star Presses if it means that Kidman will be forced to stop doing them.




So Lesnar can't take Kidman's finisher, but Sean O'Haire can steal Jeff Hardy's (who does it ten times better)
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#4 Posted on 28.6.02 1235.31
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How exactly does Jeff do the move better than O'Haire? I personally think it is better when Sean does it, just because you don't expect that move from a guy his size.
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#5 Posted on 28.6.02 1246.13
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Did they ever even let him do the Seanton in the WWF besides when he and Palumbo debuted during the Hardyz vs. Dudleyz match?

I agree with Spiff, but I'm biased.
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#6 Posted on 28.6.02 1318.29
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    How exactly does Jeff do the move better than O'Haire? I personally think it is better when Sean does it, just because you don't expect that move from a guy his size.


The only "better" I can personally apply to a Swan/Sean-ton Bomb debate is "who has actually managed to make the move look like it has any impact whatsoever?" and the winner of that's Jeff Hardy by default, because he's screwed it up from time to time and actually *made contact with his opponent*.

Every time I ever saw Sean O'Haire do it, it looked like a very nice little gymnastic feat, leaping into a lovely roll across the ring... but for all the body-to-body contact he'd get, he may as well have cartwheeled his ass from one side of the ring to the other. It'd have been about as believable a "high impact move".
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#7 Posted on 28.6.02 1328.59
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I just don't want to see someone deprived of their finishing move because it duplicates someone else's.

If I had my way, Brock and Kidman would both do the SSP and O'Haire and Hardy would both do the S-Bomb.

And, in my world, the Hurricane would be "Sugar" Shane Helms.
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#8 Posted on 28.6.02 1331.04
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    How exactly does Jeff do the move better than O'Haire? I personally think it is better when Sean does it, just because you don't expect that move from a guy his size.


Wouldn't this actually be the argument for Lesnar doing the Shooting Star Press instead of Kidman?
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#9 Posted on 28.6.02 1521.44
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Oh, terrific plan. JR: “Oh, I wish we'd get serious about our cruiserweight division.” And the first step towards doing that is to take away Kidman's “holy shit” move and give it to Lesnar.
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#10 Posted on 28.6.02 1522.28
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The Seanton bomb and the Swanton bomb are completely different moves! Trust me on this one.

The one that O'Haire does is your standard Senton Bomb. Just one movement in the air, keeping his body reletively stiff until he makes contact with his head/upper shoulders on his opponent's chest, and he then rolls off him.

The one that Jeff Jeff does, on the other hand, has some really... odd movement in the air. When he jumps, he throws his back into an arch, trying to make himself look more... cool, I suppose, until the last moment when he throws his upper-body forwards, and completes the flip. It's MUCH harder to perform, but I personally think it looks a lot weaker... especially when he misses by several feet.

So, MY humble opinion is that O'Haire did not steal the move from Jeff, but used his own. Now, if someone new started doing it like Jeff, then it's fine to bitch...

But hey, I'm sure Senton Bombs have been around for years, don't you think?
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#11 Posted on 28.6.02 1850.41
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    I just don't want to see someone deprived of their finishing move because it duplicates someone else's.

    If I had my way, Brock and Kidman would both do the SSP and O'Haire and Hardy would both do the S-Bomb.

    And, in my world, the Hurricane would be "Sugar" Shane Helms.



the hurricane must remain the hurricane..hes not a regular wrestler..hes a superhero
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#12 Posted on 28.6.02 1909.57
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    Originally posted by Ender
    The Seanton bomb and the Swanton bomb are completely different moves! Trust me on this one.

    The one that O'Haire does is your standard Senton Bomb. Just one movement in the air, keeping his body reletively stiff until he makes contact with his head/upper shoulders on his opponent's chest, and he then rolls off him.

    The one that Jeff Jeff does, on the other hand, has some really... odd movement in the air. When he jumps, he throws his back into an arch, trying to make himself look more... cool, I suppose, until the last moment when he throws his upper-body forwards, and completes the flip. It's MUCH harder to perform, but I personally think it looks a lot weaker... especially when he misses by several feet.



One might wonder if Sean doesn't do it Jeff's way because he can't. Jeff's, in my opinion, is much more graceful and impressive looking (ie "dangerous" or..."cooler.") Not to take anything away from Sean's.
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#13 Posted on 28.6.02 1912.31
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They're both pretty ineffective in terms of believeability, so I mess as well go for Jeff's as it does indeed look cooler and more dangerous.
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#14 Posted on 30.6.02 2334.49
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    Originally posted by Nate The Snake

      Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      How exactly does Jeff do the move better than O'Haire? I personally think it is better when Sean does it, just because you don't expect that move from a guy his size.


    The only "better" I can personally apply to a Swan/Sean-ton Bomb debate is "who has actually managed to make the move look like it has any impact whatsoever?" and the winner of that's Jeff Hardy by default, because he's screwed it up from time to time and actually *made contact with his opponent*.

    Every time I ever saw Sean O'Haire do it, it looked like a very nice little gymnastic feat, leaping into a lovely roll across the ring... but for all the body-to-body contact he'd get, he may as well have cartwheeled his ass from one side of the ring to the other. It'd have been about as believable a "high impact move".



SIGH.

Ladies and gentlemen... it's time for the most ELECTRIFYING REFUTATION IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT HISTORY!

I've put the Seanton Bomb in the same category as The People's Elbow, the W-O-R-M and sometimes the Swanton Bomb... the knockdown move does the damage (Spinebuster, Bulldog, Twist of Fate, Jungle Kick) and the fan-service move is an exclamation point 'I just kicked your ass!' or a mockery of the finished opponent.

I mean, when Jericho was feuding with The Rock, that was pretty much what he did, eh?
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#15 Posted on 1.7.02 1149.33
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    I just don't want to see someone deprived of their finishing move because it duplicates someone else's.





Me either. Let's bring back the Bookend.

And on a related subject -- how many millions and millions of guys on Smackdown! can do drop kicks BETTER than Holly while we are still informed by Tazz and Cole that Bob's is the "best dropkick in the business"?

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#16 Posted on 1.7.02 1234.03
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    Originally posted by Euclid

      Originally posted by Mr Shh
      I just don't want to see someone deprived of their finishing move because it duplicates someone else's.





    Me either. Let's bring back the Bookend.





It was Russo that told Booker T to start using that, if you recall... and also, if you go back and look at some older WCW tapes, you'll probably see Booker T use the Bookend before The Rock was even wrestling.

Again, I'm a frim beleiver that serious wrestlers don't steal moves... I think it's just the fans themselves trying to find fault in the wrestler so that they can talk about it on message boards, and seem like real smarks!

*Coughs*
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#17 Posted on 1.7.02 1335.06
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Millions on Smackdown who can do the dropkick better than Bob? Are you CRAZY!?

Firstly, Bob doesn't get nearly the height he used to, because, well, HE'S OLD!

Secondly, a year ago, Bob's WAS the best dropkick in the business, why it took so long to catch on who knows?

Lastly, Guys that do the dropkick better than Holly:

Storm
Billy Gunn
Randy Orton

That's it. And while it no longer makes Bob's the best in the business, what makes it "The Best in the Business" in my mind is when he used to throw his hands up in the air afterwords (usually to dead silence, but hey, that's cause the average fan doesn't "get" Hardcore Holly, I mean he IS a superheavyweight).
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