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#21 Posted on 29.5.09 0141.35
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    Originally posted by dMp
    I wonder what John Cena-the person thinks about this.

    He is indeed the dream employee, and works his ass off as far as promotional work/movies etc etc goes.

    He is not incompotent in the ring. He is just not interesting, mostly due to the Superman-style way he has to wrestle.

    Every now and then he shows that he is better (both in ring and promos) than he is supposed to be.

    On the latest Rock dvd he talks about how he begged the writers to make him heel (when he first showed up) and how he jumped on the chance when he finally got the nod by joining the Nation. Perhaps John Cena secretly hopes the same?




Has he mentioned liking the time when he was the heel rapper, palling around with B-Squared?
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#22 Posted on 29.5.09 1259.39
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    Originally posted by dMp
    On the latest Rock dvd he talks about how he begged the writers to make him heel (when he first showed up) and how he jumped on the chance when he finally got the nod by joining the Nation. Perhaps John Cena secretly hopes the same?


Yeah, but Rock's first incarnation was incurably lame. There was no salvaging that character. He was also green, and young guys always want to work heel because heels control the tempo of the match; it's how you learn how to work. Guys that worked face their entire run, like, for example, Sting, never really get mentioned as world-class legendary workers for this reason, I think. (Not saying Sting isn't a legend, but that most historians don't have him on a "greatest worker" list.) You don't develop that much as a face, you really just sell and then have your comebacks fed by the (usually) much more interesting heels. In fairness, though, since there is no more calling of spots except for a choice few workers nowadays, and since everything is much more heavily chereographed than ever before, that may be less of a factor today.

By Rock's second heel turn, he already had the movie thing, which raises a second and, I think, more important point. Forget the company making money, most of a wrestler's income comes from his cut of merch. I remember a recent Bret Hart interview where he described being a heel as being "more fun, but you make less money". That's a big deal to a lot of guys, especially given that in wrestling, you can't count on being around forever.

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#23 Posted on 29.5.09 1513.59
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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    By Rock's second heel turn, he already had the movie thing, which raises a second and, I think, more important point. Forget the company making money, most of a wrestler's income comes from his cut of merch. I remember a recent Bret Hart interview where he described being a heel as being "more fun, but you make less money". That's a big deal to a lot of guys, especially given that in wrestling, you can't count on being around forever.
Agreed. I think I remember reading somewhere (JR's blog, maybe?) that part of the reason he works so hard (public appearances, movies, other "extras") is that he doesnt PLAN on wrestling for a long time. He wants to make as much as he can now, then get out & retire early.
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#24 Posted on 29.5.09 1637.13
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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Guys that worked face their entire run, like, for example, Sting, never really get mentioned as world-class legendary workers for this reason, I think.

Ricky Steamboat begs to differ with this thought.

Also I'm not sure what is up with this meme in the thread that Cena is not a good worker. Outside of Michaels, I can't think of anyone who has had more high quality main events over the last few years than Cena. Hell, he worked a damn good match with Umaga.
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#25 Posted on 29.5.09 1640.47
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    Originally posted by spf
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Guys that worked face their entire run, like, for example, Sting, never really get mentioned as world-class legendary workers for this reason, I think.

    Ricky Steamboat begs to differ with this thought.

    Also I'm not sure what is up with this meme in the thread that Cena is not a good worker. Outside of Michaels, I can't think of anyone who has had more high quality main events over the last few years than Cena. Hell, he worked a damn good match with Umaga.


Also, those of us that saw Sting in Mid-South/UWF would argue with "never a heel" classification.
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#26 Posted on 29.5.09 1641.00
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    Originally posted by spf
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Guys that worked face their entire run, like, for example, Sting, never really get mentioned as world-class legendary workers for this reason, I think.

    Ricky Steamboat begs to differ with this thought.


Steamboat would be a prominent exception, yes. But I still think it's a fairly accurate point.
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#27 Posted on 29.5.09 1708.27
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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    Agreed. I think I remember reading somewhere (JR's blog, maybe?) that part of the reason he works so hard (public appearances, movies, other "extras") is that he doesnt PLAN on wrestling for a long time. He wants to make as much as he can now, then get out & retire early.


In his mainstream interviews for 12 Rounds, specifically on 'Wait Wait Don't Tell Me,' he admits that he never thought about wrestling when he left college. He was working/living in a California gym when he tagged along with others who wanted to start training for a wrestling school. He's not someone like Edge who wanted to do only this.

That doesn't in any way diminish how hard he's worked once he chose to pursue wrestling. I suspect he'd apply that same focus to whatever career he might choose (if he chose) after wrestling.
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#28 Posted on 30.5.09 0836.09
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The only thing Flair and Foley agree on is that Sting is a hell of a worker then that is all you really need to know about his legendary status.

(edited by lotjx on 30.5.09 0836)
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