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#1 Posted on 18.3.09 2117.57
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So much awesomeness.

Hurley: "Dude, your English is awesome!"

Hurley openly admitted he didn't know who was President in 1977. How many millions of others can say the same? Too many.

If there's a more confused person in 1977 than Sayid Jarrah, he hasn't time traveled yet. LaFleur and Jin could have at least winked at Sayid to clue him in a little. Sayid, to his credit, is always smarter than the average bear. "We do not identify ourselves as Hostiles. Also, this is your way of getting back at me for shoving bamboo up your fingernails, isn't it? Shannon, my lost love, needed those inhalers."

If there's a more shell shocked person in 1977 than Jack Shephard, he hasn't time traveled yet. Between Jack gaping at how Sawyer was so competent and respected, being given a "Workman" uniform because of his "aptitude test", or finding Sawyer with Juliet, Jack's head was spinning Warner Bros. cartoon style.

If they never go back to the story of the Ajira survivors on Island B, would anyone complain? Not me. Fuck Caesar.

Sun bonking Ben on the head would have been the most awesome moment of the episode, except that LaFleur tearing Jack a new one topped it. "Back when you were running things, you didn't think, you reacted." James LaFleur is a better commander than Jack Shephard ever was. Believe it. I like the payoff of Jack being relieved at no longer shouldering the burden of command. He can clean latrines without a care in the world.

The last five minutes were some of the best of the show's history. Kill that little Hitler. Kill him!
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#2 Posted on 18.3.09 2139.01
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    I like the payoff of Jack being relieved at no longer shouldering the burden of command. He can clean latrines without a care in the world.

I'm not so sure it was "relieved" as it was "I can't believe Sawyer just tore my balls off & stole my woman, I can't wait to stab him in the back at the earliest opportunity, but not before going off to cry myself to sleep."

I LOL'd at Hurley's "uh...what?" at being told it was 1977, but I LOL'd even LOLier at Jack's assignment revelation.
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#3 Posted on 18.3.09 2149.16
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    If they never go back to the story of the Ajira survivors on Island B, would anyone complain? Not me. Fuck Caesar.
I couldn't agree more - great post.

Geez, Radzinsky is high strung...I almost wonder why Kelvin wasn't the one to splatter his brains across the ceiling of The Swan...
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#4 Posted on 18.3.09 2157.06
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This show is awesome. So many new connections...does little Ben know that Sayid isn't, in fact, a hostile? It hasn't been confirmed yet if this episode takes place after Ben has already met Richard in the woods or what. Also, Lafleur and his crew have to know that Ben is among the Dharmans, right?

What happened to Faraday?

Christian Shepherd, ghostly tour guide. Now I'm kind of curious to know 'when' Ajira 316 crashed. We all just assumed it was in the present or at least sometime post-Island move, but could it be further in the future? Or were the Barracks that busted up as a result of Keamy's team's attack, or, perhaps, as a result of Smokey running amok?

Speaking of Smokey, I can't help but think that he'll be looking to 'course-correct' and help himself to Oceanic 815's original pilot sooner or later.

    Originally posted by jfkfc
    Geez, Radzinsky is high strung...I almost wonder why Kelvin wasn't the one to splatter his brains across the ceiling of The Swan...


Who's to say he didn't? Kelvin wasn't exactly a trustworthy dude.
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#5 Posted on 18.3.09 2209.59
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How awesome was it that the runway the Others were making in season 3 finally got a pay off? And what about what that could mean as to WHY they were building it in the first place... my head hurts already, in a really good way.
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#6 Posted on 18.3.09 2323.15
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I liked the episode well enough, but I think a lot of the surprises or gotchas could be seen from a mile away. Jack being assigned as a workman, Sun knocking Ben the F out (remember, he was pretty beat up when Cesar showed him to Locke), Christian showing up at the barracks, and the little kid turning out to be Ben. Maybe my expectations are too high for the show now.

On the other hand, I'm really looking forward to learning more about Phil. Do we know anything else about him, other than the fact that he's got a creepy face?

- StingArmy
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#7 Posted on 18.3.09 2324.47
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    Originally posted by StingArmy

    On the other hand, I'm really looking forward to learning more about Phil. Do we know anything else about him, other than the fact that he's got a creepy face?

    - StingArmy

One thing I'll never forget about him- he was in the CSI episode with the Furry Convention.
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#8 Posted on 18.3.09 2349.16
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    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    How awesome was it that the runway the Others were making in season 3 finally got a pay off? And what about what that could mean as to WHY they were building it in the first place... my head hurts already, in a really good way.


I guess that somebody (Juliet?) let the Others know that eventually they'd need it.
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#9 Posted on 19.3.09 0126.52
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#10 Posted on 19.3.09 0718.17
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Now I'm kind of curious to know 'when' Ajira 316 crashed. We all just assumed it was in the present or at least sometime post-Island move, but could it be further in the future? Or were the Barracks that busted up as a result of Keamy's team's attack, or, perhaps, as a result of Smokey running amok?

The Ajir-aways are in 2007. There was a "30 Years Ago" title card to transition from them to the Dharm-aways.

    Originally posted by geemoney
      Originally posted by StingArmy

      On the other hand, I'm really looking forward to learning more about Phil. Do we know anything else about him, other than the fact that he's got a creepy face?

    One thing I'll never forget about him- he was in the CSI episode with the Furry Convention.

He also played Jimmy Barrett in this last season of Mad Men.

(edited by Spaceman Spiff on 19.3.09 0943)
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#11 Posted on 19.3.09 0815.25
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Indeed. And don't forget that when the Island disappeared it was late 2004/early 2005 so by the time Sun and Lapidus arrived back at the barracks it's been roughly 3 years. Any number of things could have happened to the barracks in that time.

I'm a little bummed we didn't get to watch the entire Dharma welcome video. I'd have liked to have seen that.
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#12 Posted on 19.3.09 0830.15
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by jfkfc
      Geez, Radzinsky is high strung...I almost wonder why Kelvin wasn't the one to splatter his brains across the ceiling of The Swan...

    Who's to say he didn't? Kelvin wasn't exactly a trustworthy dude.
Yeah, I should have worded that better. I meant "the one to splatter his brains" as "the one to splatter his OWN brains", as in Radzinsky could surely drive a person batshit day in and day out.

StingArmy, I didn't expect Christian to come out - I was sure it would be Bernard....or Claire.

...and where was Locke?

...and why would Christian throw a light on in the barracks (outside of "get ready to see who is in here!")? If he is a ghost, does that mean that Locke is a ghost now, too?

...and it looks like things are back to normal, with no one asking each other questions, or giving details. It seemed ripe for Jack to sit down and say, "Wow James, so it's 1977? Please tell me, what's up with THAT?"

...and "Ethan's mom has got it goin' on."
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#13 Posted on 19.3.09 1014.02
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    Originally posted by Johnny Orq
    Sun bonking Ben on the head would have been the most awesome moment of the episode, except that LaFleur tearing Jack a new one topped it. "Back when you were running things, you didn't think, you reacted." James LaFleur is a better commander than Jack Shephard ever was. Believe it. I like the payoff of Jack being relieved at no longer shouldering the burden of command. He can clean latrines without a care in the world.


Sawyer led a group to the barracks, which got attacked by Keamy's group. Sawyer was leading the left-behinds when they got flaming-arrowed at the beach. Sawyer doesn't exactly have a clean report card. Sure, Jack was in charge when other 815ers died, but I can't recall 1 death that was a result of a decision Jack made.

Furthermore, Jack kinda got a raw deal with being thrust into the leadership role. Everyone else pretty much made him the leader, whether he wanted it or not. And it's not like Jack had the luxury of saying "hey, chill fellow plane crash victims while I ruminate out a course of action." People wanted decisions now. Jack, while I agree wasn't a great leader, did his best to hold the group together in a traumatic time. He only had 3-4 months of on the job training, while Sawyer has had 3 years to refine his leadership style in a pretty stable life style. Sawyer has the luxury of taking his time, while Jack's "reign" was constantly being influenced by attacks, surprises, and various other instances that required immediate attention.

Sawyer's speech sounded good last night, but now that I've had time to think about it, it kinda falls apart at the seams.
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#14 Posted on 19.3.09 1139.41
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Sawyer led a group to the barracks, which got attacked by Keamy's group. Sawyer was leading the left-behinds when they got flaming-arrowed at the beach. Sawyer doesn't exactly have a clean report card. Sure, Jack was in charge when other 815ers died, but I can't recall 1 death that was a result of a decision Jack made.

    Furthermore, Jack kinda got a raw deal with being thrust into the leadership role. Everyone else pretty much made him the leader, whether he wanted it or not. And it's not like Jack had the luxury of saying "hey, chill fellow plane crash victims while I ruminate out a course of action." People wanted decisions now. Jack, while I agree wasn't a great leader, did his best to hold the group together in a traumatic time. He only had 3-4 months of on the job training, while Sawyer has had 3 years to refine his leadership style in a pretty stable life style. Sawyer has the luxury of taking his time, while Jack's "reign" was constantly being influenced by attacks, surprises, and various other instances that required immediate attention.

    Sawyer's speech sounded good last night, but now that I've had time to think about it, it kinda falls apart at the seams.


I dunno about that... Jack was always running off half cocked and refusing to listen to anyone not named Jack. He put himself out there as leader from day one, constantly telling people what to do and making declarations about going to get transceivers and living together, dying alone. If anything was thrust upon him, it was because he put himself out there to be thrust upon. That's one of the pillars of the character, he needs to be everybody's savior.

Yeah, people got killed at the barracks and in the arrow attack, but neither of those things were in any way Sawyer's fault or could have been foreseen. The barracks were arguably the safest place on the island, that was the whole point of going there (and wasn't Locke in charge at that point?). How could they know a paramilitary strike force would show up, capture Alex and force her to shut it down? Meanwhile you have Jack, who has multiple people telling him "we shouldn't leave the island, don't call the freighter, it's not Penny's boat, they're here to kill us" and so on, but STILL CALLS THE FREIGHTER. No matter what Sawyer's group did, once Jack called the freighter they were in trouble, and I think that is what Sawyer is specifically calling him out on.

(You really can't pin the arrow attack on Sawyer's leadership either, because really he only led the main characters back to the beach. All the red-shirt castaways were still there at that point, hoping their huts would show back up)

Hell, Jack still can't even admit that he was wrong when he led everybody off the island. I'm with Sawyer on this one.
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#15 Posted on 19.3.09 1228.39
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I love how Jack's only defense was "I got us off the island!" Yeah, six out of how many people?
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#16 Posted on 19.3.09 1249.58
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Sawyer initially spent his time looking out for himself, everyone else be damned. He had to be forced to help them even in small ways(hording guns, medicine, etc). He's not exactly in a position to call someone else out for being less than perfect.

Sure Jack made mistakes but as was said it's not like they had any clue wtf was happening or was going to happen next. Waiting around reading/thinking wasn't much of an option in the instances I can think of. Plus you had Locke running around like a moron making things worse, something Sawyer hasn't had to deal with.
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#17 Posted on 19.3.09 1553.30
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I like how everyone was reunited sorta Return of the Jedi style.

This was one of the better episodes in awhile. It seems like I like the show more when I watch it the next day with 30 second commercial breaks.
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#18 Posted on 19.3.09 1710.25
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I like how everyone was reunited sorta Return of the Jedi style.

    This was one of the better episodes in awhile. It seems like I like the show more when I watch it the next day with 30 second commercial breaks.


Watching it live, the commercials are interminable.

And they don't seem to be spaced out evenly. It seems like there are more in the :40 to :00 time.
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#19 Posted on 19.3.09 2143.50
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Sawyer tried to save everyone during the attack at New Otherton, telling them to go back inside just inside for them to be shot and someone else to run out.

Sawyer was a bit of a douche for not acknowledging he did nothing to help anyone during the first two seasons, but he wasn't trying to lead anyone at that point. Sawyer really didn't assume leadership until Faraday went nuts at Charlotte's death, although you could argue Sawyer's lack of ambition to lead was a failure on his part.

Still, given the deception they need to continue without throwing everything into chaos (assuming they don't anyway), Jack should at least admit a con-man is a good leader, at this point.

At any rate, after three years, Lafleur is not the same Sawyer Jack knew when he left.

As for the rest of the episode, I think Ethan's birth was there to establish that by saving Amy, Sawyer and company didn't change anything, and in fact were doing what they had always done. I'm curious to see what happened to Faraday.

I just wish Kate and Sawyer would get together already and be done with it. This whole triangle/quadrangle playing out over the next year or so is going to be annoying.

Radzinsky was awesome, as was the Swan plans.

I LOVED Sun out-Benning Ben. Lapidus was awesome as always.

Overall, the show felt a bit slow. I can't wait for the shit to start hitting the fan in all time periods.
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#20 Posted on 20.3.09 1043.28
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Osama Bin Jack's misplaced pride is going to be the downfall of a pretty sweet deal that Sawyer had established for himself & the rest of the survivors that were left behind. Like Sawyer said in his verbal smackdown, Jack will "react" instead of think just like he always does and things will start to go to hell quickly. (edit thought - and Jack only got 6 people off the island because Sawyer did the noble thing and jumped from the helicopter and tempted fate that the Dharma shark wouldn't eat him)

loved that Juliet (knowing full well the history of Kate & sawyer) let Kate twist in the wind and then stuck her in the motor pool under her watch.

I wonder if Hurley got a job in the kitchen ?

Has the kid who played Young Ben had a Walt like growth spurt ? They certainly kept him the shadows & out of full frame in his scene with Sayid.

So daniel has obviously continued his slide into madness but now it begs the question, what was the time frame that we saw Daniel down in the Orchid when they discovered the wheel by sonar ? Is he trying to get to the wheel to give it another spin to either drop them back into the present or to try & bring himself back to a time of Charlotte.

I read that Claire was in the shadows behind Sun in her scene with Christian but all I saw were hints of Smokey.

No Sun or Ben jumping back to 1977 - could it be because they already exist on the island in 1977 ? Could Sun be the daughter of Halliwax (or whichever name he uses in each video) ?

and where is Mikhail ?

Is it next wednesday yet ?

(edited by dunkndollaz on 20.3.09 1145)
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