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#1 Posted on 13.6.02 1159.10
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... but I came home with the Hip's In Violet Light, Rush's Vapor Trails, Neil Finn's One All, and the New Pornographer's Mass Romantic, plus I rescued Sloan's Navy Blues and Neil Young's Harvest Moon from the bargain bin.

Question ... is the music industry right when they say that music sharing is killing record sales? Do you actually buy CDs with cold hard cash or do you just download and burn? Am I the only one stupid enough to blow this much hard earned dough?


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#2 Posted on 13.6.02 1254.02
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You've obviously never seen CRZ's music list on CRZ.net...
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#3 Posted on 13.6.02 1716.29
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    Originally posted by Gavintzu
    ... but I came home with the Hip's In Violet Light, Rush's Vapor Trails, Neil Finn's One All, and the New Pornographer's Mass Romantic, plus I rescued Sloan's Navy Blues and Neil Young's Harvest Moon from the bargain bin.

    Question ... is the music industry right when they say that music sharing is killing record sales? Do you actually buy CDs with cold hard cash or do you just download and burn? Am I the only one stupid enough to blow this much hard earned dough?





I'd love to hear your thoughts on Vapor Trails. I thought it was terribly bland and shows Rush is stuck in a rut. As far as the topic at hand, no, real music fans buy by the boatload. The whole notion that CD burning kills music sales is ridiculous. Those people who use CD burners exclusively probably wouldn't even bother buying CD's. Downloading and burning can be a rather lengthy process for some people and most don't have time to get everything they want. Plunking down $15 is much easier, plus you get the fancy packaging, CD art, liner notes, and enhancedCD features on some releases. CD sales are down for one reason, a hell of a lot of today's music sucks and most of today's "hip" bands have zero personality. Remember when you knew the name of every member of Led Zepplin or KISS or any other old band? Who acutally knows the name of the drummer of Nickelback besides his mother? No one does. Too many rock acts are catchy singles and no substance. Bands like Linkin Park and Alien Ant Farm are prime examples of "radio bands". Hip hop acts don't sell right now because of the same problem. That Tweet song is huge now, but who the hell is gonna buy her album? Most rap acts are nameless and faceless posers too, what with their bad boy image or sexual bravado. Eminem sells records though, because he's a superstar in every sense of the word. He has a personality, a look, and an agenda that people relate to and understand. You may not agree with him, but at least you know he has something to say. Nameless, faceless bands with no agenda get radio airplay. Superstars sell records.
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#4 Posted on 13.6.02 1743.35
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What are my thoughts on Vapor Trails? They really shouldn't have misspelt "Vapour".

I hate to be rude, but I can't give you my opinion ... yet. You see, I firmly follow my Three Listen Rule(tm) -- it is impossible to tell how good (or how bad) an album is without giving it a full three listens. Some albums will have subtle pleasures that can't be picked up right away, others' mediocrity will not be apparent without a few listens. And given the spree I went on at the record store, it will be a few days before I can invoke the Three Listen Rule on any of these purchases.

But I agree with you about why CD sales are down. Crap bands and one hit wonders do not encourage sales. I mean, I will cop to downloading "Whenever, Wherever" ... but to actually pay money for Shakira? Whatever is more like it.

On the other hand, I know a 19 year old who has never bought a CD or tape in her entire life. I want to know if this is common and widespread with the kidz nowadays.


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#5 Posted on 13.6.02 1830.11
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    Originally posted by Gavintzu
    What are my thoughts on Vapor Trails? They really shouldn't have misspelt "Vapour".

    I hate to be rude, but I can't give you my opinion ... yet. You see, I firmly follow my Three Listen Rule(tm) -- it is impossible to tell how good (or how bad) an album is without giving it a full three listens. Some albums will have subtle pleasures that can't be picked up right away, others' mediocrity will not be apparent without a few listens. And given the spree I went on at the record store, it will be a few days before I can invoke the Three Listen Rule on any of these purchases.

    But I agree with you about why CD sales are down. Crap bands and one hit wonders do not encourage sales. I mean, I will cop to downloading "Whenever, Wherever" ... but to actually pay money for Shakira? Whatever is more like it.

    On the other hand, I know a 19 year old who has never bought a CD or tape in her entire life. I want to know if this is common and widespread with the kidz nowadays.





Well, being 18, I can say that burning of CD's is quite rampant, but killing file sharing isn't the answer in my book. Most of my friends just wouldn't buy CD's cause they're too expensive. One solution is to lower prices. That's what businesses do when they face competition. It's just that the music industry is too greedy to play by those rules. The fact is, the music industry is just in a downturn, just like it was after the grunge explosion died. Then hip-hop and boy bands took over, and now the masses are looking for a new movement to latch onto. Will it be garage rock (The Strokes, White Stripes, Hives), will it be alt. country like Wilco, or will we have to continue to suffer through nu-grunge/metal? Musical trends are hard to predict. Remember when everyone and their mother was SURE techno was the TNBT (The Next Big Thing)? Prodigy was on the cover of Rolling Stone and now where are they? The Bigwhigs just need to be patient and let the audience decide.
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#6 Posted on 13.6.02 1902.16
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I usually have to be a pretty big of the artist's work in general to purchase an album. Most of the time, I only like a song or 2 here and there and I'll just download them, but I've never tried to download a whole album.
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#7 Posted on 13.6.02 2124.49
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I have to go with you on the three listen rule. One of my favourite albums of all time is Leonard Cohen's The Future and I HATED it on the first listen.
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#8 Posted on 14.6.02 0055.12
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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    I usually have to be a pretty big of the artist's work in general to purchase an album. Most of the time, I only like a song or 2 here and there and I'll just download them, but I've never tried to download a whole album.


I've only downloaded one whole album, it was "The Marshall Mathers LP". It was such a pain I never did it again. Get the songs' order, get the right songs, get good copies, make sure you don't get booted offline, download them all (which even with DSL, which I had, takes some patience).
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#9 Posted on 14.6.02 0959.57
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    Originally posted by KevinKellyisFNHardcore
    I'd love to hear your thoughts on Vapor Trails. I thought it was terribly bland and shows Rush is stuck in a rut.


Being a Rush fan since 1990, I also bought Vapor Trails and although some of the songs were decent (but not great), the album itself didn't impress me much as a whole. There was very little variety to the songs - the album sounded too formulaic and more like a garage band finally getting their big break to me than "the world's smallest orchestra" that Rush has been claimed to be. However, it HAS been six years since the trio has performed together, so I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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#10 Posted on 14.6.02 2359.48
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Well, no one asked for my opinion on "Vapor Trails" but uhm. . .what the hell, I'll run my mouth for a bit.

I think "Vapor Trails" is a sound enough album, but it's gonna be remebered more as an experiment that didn;t work out than the beginning of a new direction.

It's a lot like Pink Floyd's "Animals" album--it was done as reaction to musical trends without and personal strains within, features a sound much different (mostly "stripped down") from the albums bookending it, and it's not immediately enjoyable on the first listen-through.

But after a few listens, there's a bunch to like about "Trails" and "Animals". Just takes some dedication.

Unfortunately, what makes "Trails" kinda fall apart as an album is there's no "rest" track--nothing besides "BANG-BANG-CRASH-KERRANG" rhythm and as a result--everything sounds just about the same by the time you get to the last track.

Even "Test for Echo" had "Resist," which was a pretty decent track AND allowed you to relax a bit between the heavier tracks.

So uhm, yeah. My .02 I'll shut up now.
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#11 Posted on 15.6.02 0123.28
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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    I usually have to be a pretty big of the artist's work in general to purchase an album. Most of the time, I only like a song or 2 here and there and I'll just download them, but I've never tried to download a whole album.


Yeah, I did more of this back in school. I got the demos for "Maladroit", which are actually fairly good, long before the album came out (but then again, didn't the band post them?). But more often than not, I'll buy the CD if it's a good band (see: Abandoned Pools, ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead). I think that's pretty much the consensus.
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#12 Posted on 15.6.02 0135.42
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The Three Listen Rule has been adhered to ... and really I don't have much to add to the conversation.
AldoD2112 sez:

    ... although some of the songs were decent (but not great), the album itself didn't impress me much as a whole. There was very little variety to the songs - the album sounded too formulaic ...

Yup.

Enojado sez:

    Unfortunately, what makes "Trails" kinda fall apart as an album is there's no "rest" track--nothing besides "BANG-BANG-CRASH-KERRANG" rhythm and as a result--everything sounds just about the same by the time you get to the last track.

Close -- "How It Is" is smack dab in the middle of the album and it's much more acoustic and laid back than everything else. Almost a rest track, but it's still high tempo.

If anything, Vapor Trails reminds me of Counterparts when it came out in '93 -- heavy on the rhythm sections and guitar, but short on melody. That's this album's greatest weakness and the reason most of the songs sound the same ... the melodies are buried behind the crash and clatter. I would describe this as a dense album. Like Aldo said, maybe the fact that they weren't able to try out these tracks live (due to their six-year hiatus) hurt them when they were recording?

On the other hand, tracks like "Ceiling Unlimited", "Peaceable Kingdom", "How It Is", "Vapor Trail", and "Out of the Cradle" are as good as anything they've done in the last 15 years. It took a few months for Counterparts to grow on me ... hopefully the same will be true for Vapor Trails.



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#13 Posted on 15.6.02 0352.45
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Ceiling Unlimited is the only song that really caught my attention on that album outside of One Little Victory (and that's just because my radio station had been playing it incessantly before I got the CD). CU is a great track for sure, and the whole album is solid, but certainly not memorable.
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#14 Posted on 15.6.02 1538.29
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    Originally posted by Gavintzu
    Like Aldo said, maybe the fact that they weren't able to try out these tracks live (due to their six-year hiatus) hurt them when they were recording?



Speaking of live, that's a great time to see if they're in a "rut" as a previous poster stated. I saw them in 1996 after Test For Echo came out and they performed MUCH better live than they did on that album. Now I enjoyed TFE, but like Vapor Trails I felt TFE had a sense of predictableness with the songs - you knew after two verses there would be a bridge then a short instrumential (changed to "band solos" for VT) and after that the song would go back to the regular melody. The older songs had a sense of unpredictableness and uniqueness that was nice to hear live. (And they played 2112 un-cut! You can't beat that!)

Now, I'm just waiting for tickets for the Tampa show to go on-sale and hopefully it'll be a hell of a show.

Nice conversations, by the way. As an aside, I was reading the rushweb.net forums shortly after VT and the posters would rip anyone to shreds that didn't give Vapor Trails a ************ rating. It was like one little criticism about the album meant damnation into the bowels of hell or something along those lines. Don't get me wrong, Vapor Trails is a decent album, but if I were to rank that album with Rush's other works, VT would fall somewhere in the middle of the pack.
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#15 Posted on 15.6.02 1551.35
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Heh ... maybe I'll log onto rushweb.net and start a flamewar over which is the better album -- A Farewell To Kings or Caress of Steel.

Arguing anonymously on the net about 25 year old albums is such a great way to spend a Saturday afternoon.


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#16 Posted on 15.6.02 1857.12
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    Originally posted by Gavintzu
    Heh ... maybe I'll log onto rushweb.net and start a flamewar over which is the better album -- A Farewell To Kings or Caress of Steel.

    Arguing anonymously on the net about 25 year old albums is such a great way to spend a Saturday afternoon.





Not bad... not bad at all. Another question you can ask is which is the better song to play in the car while trying to score with a first date - Need Some Love or In The Mood.
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#17 Posted on 15.6.02 2009.57
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    Originally posted by Gavintzu
    ... but I came home with the Hip's In Violet Light, Rush's Vapor Trails, Neil Finn's One All, and the New Pornographer's Mass Romantic, plus I rescued Sloan's Navy Blues and Neil Young's Harvest Moon from the bargain bin.


The Finn album may be the sleeper there-that guy's a great songwriter. And the Hip is...the Hip. A new album from them, just in time for sitting up at a cottage with a two-four.
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#18 Posted on 15.6.02 2154.38
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Neil Finn is a songwriting machine. Looking forward to seeing him next month when he hits Chi-town. And another person living the joy that is the New Pornographers makes me happy (it did bring you joy right? ) And hey, like he said, the Hip is just The Hip. Good call on the Sloan album too.
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#19 Posted on 15.6.02 2309.10
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I recently went on a record-buying binge myself. My choices...

Nightbugs, by Sarah Slean
Different Class, by Pulp
Radio Loves Songs, by 54:40 (greatest hits album)
The Last Broadcast, by the Doves

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#20 Posted on 16.6.02 0747.05
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A possible addendum to your "3 listen rule":

If you still can't get into an album by an established artist (someone with a somewhat sizable catalogue like Rush)after 3 listens, make an mp3 data disk of them and put all of their songs on the disk and in alpha order. I did this with R.E.M. and found that I could actually listen to the songs from "Up" and not cringe for once. I might have to try that with U2 so I can finally listen to "Pop" and not retch.

Just an idea.

I do download some full albums, but for bands I really like, I buy it. I need to get to Ear-X-Tacy and get They Might Be Giants kids' album sometime this week. I can't belive it's been out since Tuesday and it doesn't reside in my CD player yet.
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