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#1 Posted on 2.6.02 1845.27
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aka don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Hooboy for the second time this week Canada's Liberal party is making news. And it ain't good.

Our old and decrepid Prime Minister who refuses to step down despite being well past his prime (no pun intended) has just fired his main leadership rival and current Finance Minister.

I'm sure it don't sound like much to those of you whose political scandals revolve around missing or orally occupied interns, but this is big stuff here in Igloo-land.

Out of personal spite, our PM threatens the stability of our economy, and undermines the government in one motion while also sending a clear message that he will continue to lead the party even though it is obvious nobody wants him to.

Oh well at least he ain't choking on pretzels. (Hmm the media really has laid of W criticism when i can't think of anything more recent than the pretzel incident to mock. Any help peeps?)

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#2 Posted on 2.6.02 2151.00
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"Threatens the stability of our economy" is putting way too much emphasis on this. There will be a blip on the markets when they open tomorrow, then everything will be back to normal, economy-wise.

However, this is very exciting for political junkies north of the 49th. Imagine, for our American friends, that the President and the Vice President have been battling behind the scenes for a couple of years -- the Veep openly covets the President's job and the Pres doesn't want to retire. No term limits in this Twilight Zone. Things get a lot worse when several members of cabinet are embroiled in corruption scandals, and then the President fires the Vice President, and appoints a lackey to replace him. Only the Veep doesn't have to go quietly ... he gets to sit as a backbencher in the Senate. This is exciting, no?

Will Paul Martin openly stir up a revolt against Cretien? This would be popular with many Canadians, but may be seen as a revolt against the Liberal Party itself, which would jeprodize his chances of getting the Big Job if he alienates the Money Men who are the powers of the Liberal Party. Or will he stir up trouble behind the scenes? Or will he just "retire" from politics, only to make a triumphant return to save the Liberals when Cretien finally runs out of gas?

Interesting times indeed.

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#3 Posted on 2.6.02 2214.10
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well you're right i did over emphasis the importance a bit, but I think time will show that Manley's handling of the portfolio (i.e doing exactly what Chretien tells him to) will stunt the growth that we've been showing.

As a political junky I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with how this has played out today with both sides acting very diplomatically. I was really hoping Martin would be a little more antaganistic about the whole situation and Chretien has proved in the past that he will say stupid things in bad situations so I had my fingers crossed. I guess it's understandable that they would handle it like good politicians it just woulda been more exciting if it played out differently.

That's all. Farewell Paul. You will be missed
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#4 Posted on 3.6.02 0242.55
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Martin knows how to play the game. I think he'll be the next leader of the liberal party (then again, the only other person who i'd feel comfortable with leading the federal liberals anytime soon would have been Tobin, but he's all retired, and I think it's a real retirement this time). But i'm not a political junkie, and it's just a gut feeling of a happy li'l labradorian.

If paulie had made a big fuss, the chances of him being party leader in the future would have dropped like a stone. And if Cretien made his usual dumbass comments... well, that'd just be jean being Jean, he's a crazy, dirty old man.
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#5 Posted on 3.6.02 1305.57
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"We did not fire him"

I'd call that a pretty stupid comment.

Once again Chretien manages to put his own interests above absolutely everything else. He'd be perfectly happy if most of the country exploded, just as long has he could still be its leader from Ottawa.

Chretien is scared, though. He won't let anybody do anything if it will show him up. His threats to his cabinet to stop raising funds for leadership campaigns or he'll fire them from the cabinet is such bullshit.

Oh, and I see John Manley is following the first rule of Chretien: If you can't do the job, blame someone else.

"It's also, of course, a challenge coming in when the economy is performing so exceedingly well, because if it doesn't continue it will look like I'm responsible." - John Manley, in his speech after becoming Minister of Finance.

He's been on the job less than an hour and he's ALREADY making excuses for when he (Chretien through him) fucks everything up.

Stop the country, I want to get off.

-edit: Inefficient proofreading.

(edited by Ike on 3.6.02 1407)
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#6 Posted on 3.6.02 1602.16
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The PCs and Alliance must be licking their chops....

Hey, if that other party splits in two, may be we will have a chance!!!!!!

Seriously, though, it is time Mr. Chretien.... Step aside and let someone else in to run the show. If he stepped down right now, and Martin became leader, is there any doubt they would win again and again?????
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#7 Posted on 6.6.02 0408.27
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As much as I've always hated Chretien (being a dyed-in-the-wool Tory since birth thanks to my father,) I had to respect the challenge he laid down to any dissident MPs the other day.

"You don't like it? Vote against the money bill Thursday and we'll have ourselves an election..." Paraphrasing, of course.

And we all know what another election means....that's right, more of Joe Clark's amazingly hot daughter, Catherine!
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#8 Posted on 6.6.02 0731.50
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But sadly, everyone's favourite cougar, Alexa McDonough, is stepping down.
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#9 Posted on 6.6.02 0755.13
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    But sadly, everyone's favourite cougar, Alexa McDonough, is stepping down.

tell me you did not just say that. Everyone knows Adrienne Clarkson is still the reigning Canadian beauty queen.
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