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#1 Posted on 4.5.07 0834.47
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Meh.

I saw it last night at the midnight showing and have to say that I was very disappointed. Anyone expecting something as good as Spidey 2 will be let down. They should have called the movie "Fried Green Spider-Man" or "Spider-Man Magnolias" or something to that effect. Seriously, if you like to watch people cry, this is the movie for you.

Since when is the Sandman a decent guy who just made some mistakes?

Of course, the whole part with Venom was great, but that was only about 10 minutes of the movie. Everything else was just there. Let's watch Harry and MJ do the twist! Let's have Aunt May give speeches. Let's have Peter Parker act like the biggest idiot in the world and kiss Gwen in front of MJ! Not only that, but let's have him do it in the exact same way as he first kissed MJ! I mean, come on...no guy in his right mind would do that, would he? Seriously, there were some parts of this movie that people in the theatre groaned out loud for. Multiple times.

Let's hope the other sequels this summer can do better than this.
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#2 Posted on 4.5.07 1246.38
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I kinda agree. The Venom stuff was cool while it lasted, but it felt very rushed. I disliked that they had to retcon Sandman into killing Uncle Ben - that seems unnecessary, although I understand that they were trying to cram it into the theme of "forgiveness". I wasn't happy about the Jazz Club scene with Peter dancing around. I really hated EmoPeter and his stupid hairdo.

All in all, it felt like a piece of poorly written fanfic. Really not up to the standard set by the previous two installments. But that may have come from trying to cram too many villains into one movie - "Batmanitis", if you will.
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#3 Posted on 4.5.07 1308.38
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I loved it.

I went to see it at the local megaplex's midnight screening, and man, what a movie. Evil Peter Parker is awesome...and it was nice to see Topher Grace play someone with an attitude.

I agree that Venom was too rushed; he should have been the main focus of the movie. If anything, they should make number four about that character.



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#4 Posted on 4.5.07 1508.11
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Was ALMOST watchable, but Peter's hair was parted on the wrong side. How DARE they bastardize this franchise further than they already have?! They are literally murdering my childhood, and I will not stand for it.
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#5 Posted on 4.5.07 1520.08
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I forgot the part that irked me the most earlier.

The deus ex machina with the butler. "Oh, I didn't mention it earlier while you and Mr. Parker were trying to kill each other, but your father was crazy and Peter didn't kill him. Just thought you ought to know."
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#6 Posted on 4.5.07 1633.18
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I can't figure out how I felt about this movie. I really enjoyed the Venom stuff. Everybody in the theater started laughing when Peter Parker went emo. I actually liked the Sandman story (Was not a fan of the comic) So I thought it was great that he wasn't actually a bad guy, more of a "tweener".

Had they just focused on the action parts it would have been awesome, but then the other Spiderman movie with the romantic storyline made it feel like two different movies tacked together.
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#7 Posted on 4.5.07 1639.24
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first of all, i'm a huge spider-man fan. I grew up reading the comic book and watching the cartoon. After watching Spider-Man 3, I echoed Alex's sentiments feeling that my childhood had been murdered on screen. I'm just going to break it down it to separate points:

(note: I don't need to give a spoiler warning, right? Seeing as everybody above had some spoilers too and didn't mention anything. I'm just assuming people reading this thread will already know what's coming. If not let me know, or you can edit it)

-There was NO need for Sandman, the movie had way too many villains. It could've been a more compelling movie just concentrating on Venom. Not only that, but the Sandman's story didn't even play out. Thomas Hayden Church is an amazing actor and did a great job, but was horribly misused in this movie. He and his character deserves it's own movie.

-The scenes that were too slow, especially the MJ/Peter scenes needed to be sped up. I felt as though I was watching "Spidey 90210". Wah, wah, wah, wah. oh my gosh.

-The whole MJ/Harry/Peter love triangle was out of place in the whole movie.

-I thought it was funny how Harry suddenly turned into Bruce Wayne with the butler thing. When did he get an Alfred?

-The Venom story was too short. The Venom symbiote thing was rushed. How convenient that Peter and MJ were there near where the symbiote landed.

-When Venom and Sandman come face to face for the first time, how did Eddie Brock suddenly know all of Sandman's backstory about his daughter?

-The comedic scenes were out of place with the action. The scene with J Jonah Jameson and the camera with the little girl was out of place. It just seemed cheesy and took away from the scene. It seemed like just an excuse for Sam Raimi to get his family in the film.

-The musical timing was horrible. In certain scenes, the music was cliche with sappy scenes having even sappier music.

-Harry went through A LOT in the movie and then is suddenly killed off at the end? Poor guy.

-From the first movie, i've always felt that Kirsten Dunst made a horrible MJ. She lacks the sassiness of the comic book Mary Jane and makes every scene so depressing it makes me want to slit my wrists. Also, sidenote: she looked really old in this movie.

-What was up with the whole strutting scene? Sure it would've been a nice gag for a couple seconds, but instead it was a 5 minute montage.

-Bruce Campbell's appearance was awesome as always, but even that felt dragged out.

The movie just dragged in so many parts like Aunt May's scenes, the love triangle stuff, etc, etc, which left me sadly disappointed especially after loving the first two Spidey movies.
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#8 Posted on 4.5.07 2202.57
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Just came back from seeing this and I absolutely loved it! It was a really enjoyable movie from start to finish, I even place it above Spider-Man 2. 2 dragged in places, but this kept going and kept my attention from start to finish. Everything really clicked for me, with the exception of Sandman's redemption at the end. That didn't really seem to work well.

"Too much crying"? I keep hearing/seeing this complaint and I don't get it. We all must've been watching two different movies. Every note that had to be hit in the story for this all to work was hit; there were moments where there was going to be crying, but those moments made sense and had to come for the sake of the story.

I grew up as a comics nerd as well, although Spider-Man was secondary on my list to the X-Men. So just as I had been looking forward to seeing Doctor Octopus on screen, I was about DYING to see Venom and I wasn't disappointed. Topher Grace as a less musclehead, more arrogant jerk Eddie Brock clicked well and as he became Venom he was easily buyable as a villain. I do fear the nerd backlash against how Gwen Stacy was portrayed in the movie. "Just a girl from class"? Ouch.

Stand-outs: Bruce Campbell (obviously!), Topher Grace, and Stan Lee. 'Nuff said.


    Everybody in the theater started laughing when Peter Parker went emo.


That was the point. It was faintly humorous and enjoyable to watch Evil/Emo Peter, but just as in the story the ride stops when he hits MJ. I thought that bit played well; in the comics and '90s cartoon Peter gets a bit more cocky and arrogant from the symbiote and that got shown well in the movie, the strutting scene was a callback to the "Raindrops" scene from 2, and the hit of MJ was Peter's wake-up call.


    There was NO need for Sandman


I agree as a fanboy, but taking the movie as it was Sandman worked fine minus the redemption stuff at the end. He provided the need in Peter to give in and use the symbiote suit, which in turn lead to everything else. If the arc with Sandman would've ended there, it would've been fine but the redemption at the end was a bit much.


    The whole MJ/Harry/Peter love triangle was out of place in the whole movie.


Well no wonder you didn't like the movie then, as that was a central part to the storyline. Peter's misstep in dealing with MJ, MJ making her own mistake vis a vis Harry, and Harry then Goblining it up by "going for the heart". That was good stuff.


    I thought it was funny how Harry suddenly turned into Bruce Wayne with the butler thing. When did he get an Alfred?


Check the first two movies, the butler's always been at the house.

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#9 Posted on 4.5.07 2225.55
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I liked the movie alot, but it was definately the least of the three. I think most people here have hit the nail on the head; it just tried to do too much at once. The story was carrying too much weight for the amount of time they had to tell it in.
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#10 Posted on 5.5.07 0031.27
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I thought it was outstanding, probably just a notch below Spidey II and Batman Begins as the best of the recent Marvel/DC flicks. The villains and plotlines were juggled very well, with the only problem being that Venom was given short shrift when he finally made his appearance. I don't even think they actually referred to him as Venom in the movie. Then again, they left it open-ended enough that he could return in the fourth(?) one.

But boy, the acting was nominally very good across the board, there were some funny moments, and good callbacks to the earlier series (i.e. the Russian landlord and daughter across the hall, who I keep thinking will eventually into Kraven if he shows up in the series). The Spidey movies are just so far above the other Marvel movies in terms of characterization, plotting and overall quality that it isn't funny.

    Originally posted by The King of Keith
    Since when is the Sandman a decent guy who just made some mistakes?


This has been the status quo in the comics for a long time. Sandman tried to go straight, changed his name, even tried to join the Avengers. He was blackmailed into crime by Doctor Octopus on a few occasions.

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#11 Posted on 5.5.07 0038.08
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As a fan of the first two movies and a non-reader of the comic books, I found myself highly disappointed with the movie. Most of the sentiments hit the mark above. So i'll try to fill in points that have yet to be hit...

    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    That was the point. It was faintly humorous and enjoyable to watch Evil/Emo Peter, but just as in the story the ride stops when he hits MJ. I thought that bit played well; in the comics and '90s cartoon Peter gets a bit more cocky and arrogant from the symbiote and that got shown well in the movie, the strutting scene was a callback to the "Raindrops" scene from 2, and the hit of MJ was Peter's wake-up call.


The problem was the montage went on for waaaay too long. Much like a few other parts. I think they could've established him as being cocky and evil in a shorter montage, since you still had that whole number at the jazz club as well that lead up to the slap. Also, I think Peter would've looked much creepier and menacing without his hair going black and eyebags that almost look like eyeliner. A cleancut Peter with a mean streak would be scarier, IMO.

    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    Peter's misstep in dealing with MJ, MJ making her own mistake vis a vis Harry, and Harry then Goblining it up by "going for the heart". That was good stuff.


I know what you're trying to say and I think people are aware of the purpose of it, but the actual execution was rushed. We see Harry attack MJ and threaten her. MJ calls Peter to break up with him, then Harry reveals he's the other man. The whole sequence just seemed awkward and weirded up the flow up the movie. And like "going for the heart" wasn't done in the past movies.

    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    Check the first two movies, the butler's always been at the house.


i think what was meant with the comment you replied to was that who is this butler? He was never given any importance as a character. He was minor in the previous movies and suddenly he comes out in one scene and says something that knocks sense into Harry AFTER he's been pissed at Peter for years, AFTER all his battles with Peter and his near death, and AFTER his face getting burned by a bomb. You think he would've told him sooner if he knew this all along. As Teapot said, it was a total deus ex machina.

Now, Venom was awesome and the advancements in CGI have been tenfold. The problem was, this movie had all the elements to make a good movie, but it had a lot of other things too that dragged it down. Parts that should've been burned through faster went on for forever and parts that should've been given more time were totally rushed through. Three was definitely a crowd here with the villains and it seemed like an overwhelming task for the writers. Even the musical timing was bad. I heard Raimi and Danny Elfman had some kind of falling out during filming, so maybe that's why the placing of music was off this time.

Also, wow did Bryce Dallas Howard look hot in this movie...much hotter than Kirsten Dunst.

Even at 2 1/2 hours, there was too much in this movie to be properly covered. I really wanted to love it, I really did, but I knew I wasn't alone in mixed feelings when at the end of the movie there was a big hesitation to applaud and maybe only 5 people applauded.
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#12 Posted on 5.5.07 1501.17
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Harry Osborn died in the comics in Spectacular Spider-Man #200, saving the lives of his friends. He died in Spider-Man's arms, noting that of course he saved Peter, since he was his best friend.

I felt there was no need for deus ex butler at the end because HarryGoblin intervening to save MJ, having a change of heart and saving Peter and dying in the process would've worked much better and cut out a LOT of stuff from a beefy third act.
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#13 Posted on 5.5.07 1545.50
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    Originally posted by uberlou
    I really wanted to love it, I really did, but I knew I wasn't alone in mixed feelings when at the end of the movie there was a big hesitation to applaud and maybe only 5 people applauded.


Maybe they realized that applauding at the end of a movie is kinda dumb.
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#14 Posted on 5.5.07 1603.22
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I can't believe how disappointing this was. My thoughts are pretty similar to others, but I can't emphasize enough how terrible those fifteen minutes were that lead up to MJ getting hit. I'm surprised Parker didn't pull out Ron Burgundy's jazz flute. Seriously, someone explain that to me. My buddy and I were hoping and praying it was a dream sequence, but no luck.
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#15 Posted on 5.5.07 1817.52
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I actually thought this was the funniest of the three Spidey films ... a lot of laugh-out-loud moments to be had (I mean, Bruce Campbell as a Frenchman, need I say more?).

However, it would have been nice if they had saved the "Symbiote finding Eddie Brock" scene for the very end of the film, and then have Venom be the main villain in the next sequel ... That's what I was hoping for, so I agree that his inclusion in the film felt a little rushed.

    Originally posted by Teapot
    I forgot the part that irked me the most earlier.

    The deus ex machina with the butler. "Oh, I didn't mention it earlier while you and Mr. Parker were trying to kill each other, but your father was crazy and Peter didn't kill him. Just thought you ought to know."


Oh yeah, that too ... and at the end of the movie, when Venom and Parker (sans mask) were falling down to the ground - with all the film crews and bystanders all around - don't you think SOMEBODY would have noticed Spider-Man was unmasked?

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#16 Posted on 5.5.07 2349.31
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Ha ha, I return to justify my handle. Anybody care? Thought not.

Anyway, just some more minor stuff to add since I buy into the disappointing, but good and entertaining argument.

- You've probably heard this elsewhere, but I'll bring it here; Why the hell does everyone in the Spiderman movies fight with their masks off at the end? Seriously, how many people now know who Spiderman is (just like in the comic books)? Not much of a secret identiy there Peter.

- Did Harry's Old Navy Goblin slacks disturb anyone else?

- Lots of sudden changes of heart here. Sandman goes from trying to murder Peter and MJ (with no real reason given as to why he teamed with Venom in the first place) to apologizing 10 minutes later and getting off scott free at the end. Isn't that what Peter did in the first place that got his uncle killed? Harry goes from his mortal enemy, getting his face blown off and nearly being killed by Peter to rushing in to save the day because of Butler: CSI. MJ goes from jealous and whiny to kind and understanding. Peter goes from cocky, to cock, to sentimental hero once more.

- Sandman was pretty useless, and only served as an excuse to use more special effects between Harry's amnesia (yeah, that was pretty lame too) and Brock becoming Venom. This should've been an entire Parker/Symbiote/Brock/Venom movie because there's enough there to fill 3 hours if written and spaced well with Harry still on the outside battling Peter with his money and influence rather than brawn ala Lex Luther.

- To put this in perspective, the theatre I went to was sold out at 11:10pm Saturday night. People where cheering and applauding throughout the entire opening sequence and during Parker's first fight with Harry-Shaun White-Goblin. But as the movie rolled along into the second and third acts, the groans and snickers were becoming evident and the audience just kinda left grumbling. That's takes a special kind of suck.

I'd go firmly with 3-stars rating this one. There's enough action and goofiness to keep you entertained for 2 and a half hours, but you probably won't remember it a few weeks from now.

Onward to Pirates 3!
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#17 Posted on 6.5.07 0444.48
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Saw it at the midnight premiere but wanted to digest a little bit before jumping on board here.

MILD SPOILERS BE BELOW.

    Originally posted by Venom
    Harry's amnesia (yeah, that was pretty lame too)


Norman used to lose his memory of being the goblin all the time early on in the ASM series. So, I didn't see it as totally unbelievable or "lame" as it pertains to the comics.

I never really read any of the actual issues relating to this, but didn't the Sandman reform at one point and join Silver Sable's hero-ish team? That may be where the sympathetic character comes from. I don't ever recall him turning into a gigantic sandstorm, however, and it reminded me of "The Mummy".

The main difference b/w this movie and the other two is that SM3 is more emotionally and character driven (based on the symbiote elements) whereas the previous two were solely action driven and the whole "villain on the loose who must be stopped" plot. Also, I think if Venom had escaped at the end in some capacity instead of being vaporized, people would've at least felt a little better about it, especially knowing that "it's not over" (even if this movie is).

The previous movies have also had some pretty campy moments, so I don't see why everyone is all of a sudden shocked that they were included. As someone said previously, the emo-strut scene was in contrast to the happy-go-luck one in SM2. Admittedly, Parker on the keys was awkward. The dancing alone probably would've sufficed. Aunt May had given talks to Peter before, so I don't see what the big deal is there either. This is incredibly minor, but I did not like the casting for Capt. Stacy, he didn't look anything like in the comics. Yes, Gwen was hot, but no love for Betty Bryant? C'mon now.

My biggest gripe and the worst part for me was the absolutely retarded butler confession near the end about Norman's death. It was stupid, felt totally shoe-horned in, and the delivery and acting were poor.

Overall though, I liked the movie and recommend that people see it for themselves.

Biggest pops of the night (in no particular order):
-Stan Lee appearance
-Bruce Campbell appearance
-Harry rescuing Peter and them shaking/grabbing hands. (A lot of people cheered)
-Seeing Venom in full costume

Biggest heat/"holy crap" reactions (in no particular order):
-Peter quickly webbing the pumpkin bomb and slingshotting it back into Harry's face. (Almost the whole audience went "Holy shit")
-Black costume Peter trashes Eddie's camera got a handful of "geez" type remarks.
-Spider-Man kissing Gwen
-Peter hitting MJ
-Harry telling Peter that he was "the other man" and then the winking drew a hisses and vocal disapproval
-Venom stabbing Harry through the chest
-The huge portrait of Norman had a lot of people going "whoa.. uh oh".






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#18 Posted on 6.5.07 0704.34
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    Originally posted by Venom
    You've probably heard this elsewhere, but I'll bring it here; Why the hell does everyone in the Spiderman movies fight with their masks off at the end?


Because it's incredibly hard to emote through a mask. It's just a trick to make it easier for McGuire and the others.
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#19 Posted on 6.5.07 1540.02
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I just saw it and as a non reader, I was very entertained. Noting SPECTACULAR, but nothing horrid either. Very entertaining flick, that went by much faster than the two and a half hours it ran.

LOVED the Peter pimping his way down the road.

I really loved the out of control crane scene as well. Very good SFX in there.

Overall, I enjoyed it, and found Venom particularly well done. Very scary.
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#20 Posted on 6.5.07 1552.45
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    Originally posted by dplat82
    When Venom and Sandman come face to face for the first time, how did Eddie Brock suddenly know all of Sandman's backstory about his daughter?


At first, I thought it was an example of Brock/Venom retaining all of Parker's memories and previous knowledge ... but then I thought about it some more, and I can't really remember Spider-Man every having access to information about Marko's daughter, either.

That's another aspect of the Venom character under-utilized by this movie, BTW - his knowledge of all of Spider-Man's secrets ... The only actual example of this that I can recall, is when Brock references the "Spidey Sense"; I don't believe that particular ability is common knowledge in the "Movie Spider-Man" universe (hell, for all I know, it's not common knowledge in the "Regular Spider-Man" universe, either).



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