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| #41 Posted on 21.3.07 1504.45 Reposted on: 21.3.14 1504.46 | Originally posted by JustinShapiro TNA...wall-less
And just HOW did Jerry Tuite die, again? HMMMMMM | DirtyMikeSeaver
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| #42 Posted on 21.3.07 1605.07 Reposted on: 21.3.14 1606.03 | Well, Edge put out a statement about this thru MySpace:
If you are reading this blog and it sees the light of day, than that means that an article has been written by a Sports Illustrated writer that states I received HGH from a pharmacy in 2003. So, I'll cut right to the chase like I always do. It's true. However, it's not exactly breaking, earth shattering news. It's actually old news. I admitted to this on national television in Canada in 2004 on Off The Record. When host Michael Lansberg asked me if I'd ever taken steroids, without consulting me before the show, I was perturbed, but answered without hesitation, "Yes, I have." In hindsight, I'm glad he asked the question. It got it out in the open and anyone who follows my career or supports me already knows this information about me. I won't try to defend my actions. I took them when coming back from my spinal fusion neck surgery when I was told by doctors that it would help the bones grow back around the screws and plate that were now inserted in my neck. I'm not glorifying. I'm not condoning. Just telling you why I decided to take them. I took blood tests, consulted doctors, read up, studied them, got prescriptions, and decided to do it. That's pretty much it folks, but I wanted you to get my response straight from me and not through the words of another writer. Now as I'm sure most you can tell, I don't take steroids and haven't in a very long time, long before the WWE drug testing wellness policy was implemented. Hell, I barely see the inside of a gym anymore, let alone take performance enhancing substances!
So, in closing, to the columnist (not the Sports Illustrated columnist, but actually another one) who said a "roided up thing called Edge" was at the NHL ALL Star Game a few weeks ago, in 2003, this may have been true. Now, not in the least, as my random urine tests, which have always been negative will attest. I guess I'll take the fact that he thought I was as somewhat of a compliment. To the fact that I've been lucky enough to have been gifted with a 6 foot 5, 240lb body naturally. And finally made it to the top of my industry last year on my own, clean as a whistle. To those, like that columnist and any other naysayers that will hold my past against me? I've made mistakes. Will do so again in the future I'm sure. But I won't hide from them. If you're reading this, you know that's not my style.
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Well, I'm not going to call him the most standup guy (cough)), but I do remember this interview and at least he's come out and admitted it. It will be interesting to see if others follow suit. | JoshMann
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| #43 Posted on 21.3.07 1658.58 Reposted on: 21.3.14 1659.01 | They could then book some of the TNA brand ambassadors on the talk-show circuit to highlight how RESPONSIBLE and CARING they truly are.
"A fucking ham" -Tammy Sytch | chill
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| #44 Posted on 21.3.07 1851.47 Reposted on: 21.3.14 1851.55 | What Edge is discussing in his blog is something different than what SI is alleging - that he ordered steroids over the internet without a prescription. Didn't the WWE's website response already say that the company does not see any of this as "allowed" under the rules of their new Wellness policy?
After WM is over, I won't be surprised if the named parties face fines or short suspensions. | It's False
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| #45 Posted on 21.3.07 2006.35 Reposted on: 21.3.14 2006.46 | The sports media continues to look into this story. Yesterday's Pardon The Interruption examined the steroids story and both TK and Wilbon shook their heads over how this story got so big. They both agree that pro wrestlers taking steroids isn't exactly "alert the media" type of news. Then they both noted that steroids have been a part of wrestling since the early days, even invoking the names of Freddie Blassie and Ernie Ladd. I really disagree with that idea, since pro wrestling was an entirely different animal back in Blassie and Ladd's day. I don't think steroids were around wrestling in those days.
Also, Diamond Dallas Page weighed in on today's Dan Patrick Show. When asked what would make wrestlers take steroids, DDP said it was the pro wrestler schedule that takes its toll on guys. DDP looked to be caught off-guard at various points, to the point of rambling (and shilling his website). The big reveal (for me, personally) was that DDP admitted to using steroids "on and off" when he was in WCW. Then it started to get bad, as Page blamed the fans (!) for wrestlers feeling the need to take steroids, because the fans demand so much out of wrestlers nowadays that they feel too much pressure. DP then asked Page if he thought Vince McMahon took steroids himself. Page backpeddled so quickly that Patrick actually asked him if he was afraid of McMahon. I was hoping for some better insight from DDP, but Page looked pretty buffoonish here.
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| #46 Posted on 21.3.07 2117.00 Reposted on: 21.3.14 2118.06 | Originally posted by chill What Edge is discussing in his blog is something different than what SI is alleging - that he ordered steroids over the internet without a prescription. Didn't the WWE's website response already say that the company does not see any of this as "allowed" under the rules of their new Wellness policy?
After WM is over, I won't be surprised if the named parties face fines or short suspensions.
I remember that interview he gave too. He mentioned nothing at all about prescriptions or neck surgery. He was asked if he had taken steroids (in the context of "steriods were used by huge muscle men to be successful in the WWE") and Edge said right away that he had. He said that he stopped because he didn't like what they were doing to his build (not because his prescription was out or his neck was better).
I guess the question now is whether or not THIS was the prescription he got over the internet that was mentioned in the article (and if it was, then it would easily pre-date the "wellness program")
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| #47 Posted on 21.3.07 2142.41 Reposted on: 21.3.14 2143.05 | "but I believe they lack the commonality of recreational drug abuse. That to me, along with the damage done in the ring and on the road, is the real problem with wrestling, not just performance enhancing drugs."
That's a really great point. Anytime anyone dies everyone goes "steroids, steroids, steroids. Get rid of steroids and everything is okay"
But the cocaine, alcohol and pills is a FAR bigger problem than a guy taking HGH to gain muscle mass on the road, I think.
That's based on really just empirical stuff and a little bit of basic knowledge so correct me if I'm wrong.
Re: the whole story. It is what it is. Not suprising. I would expect Randy Orton to be thrown under the bus because his name is like the first name cited in stories and it's not like he's Employee of the Month anyway.
Obviously, getting drugs off the internet is really, really horrible but... stones and glass houses. I moved a few years back but my family doctor in my hometown would still fax me scripts of Xanax because of my (then) fear of flying. Is it possible that guys needed supplements for legit reasons (like rehab for injury) and went through dodgy means to get them quicker than usual, or maybe they're on the road and they're normal doctor requires a visit BEFORE they get something? I think it is. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think those cases should necessarily be villified.
But of course the vast majority of guys use doctors like this for purely cosmetic or enhancing purposes.
Ultimately, for the guys it's a moral issue. Wrestling is a hard, hard sport and guys do a lot of different things to be successful. The business isn't going to change nor will the requirements so ultimately you just have to hope that IF they use they know how to manage it and cut back when warning signs appear (for instance, you can look at H and tell that he's not in nearly the shape he used to be. Not speculating as to why, of course.)
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| #48 Posted on 21.3.07 2214.43 Reposted on: 21.3.14 2215.12 | Originally posted by flairforthegold13 "but I believe they lack the commonality of recreational drug abuse. That to me, along with the damage done in the ring and on the road, is the real problem with wrestling, not just performance enhancing drugs."
That's a really great point. Anytime anyone dies everyone goes "steroids, steroids, steroids. Get rid of steroids and everything is okay"
But the cocaine, alcohol and pills is a FAR bigger problem than a guy taking HGH to gain muscle mass on the road, I think.
HGH enlarges the internal organs and makes the heart more susceptible to failure or acute cocaine intoxication. They work in conjunction, and I thought SGS's (also my dad's initials!) post made some really important points. There is an overall drug problem in wrestling that isn't just limited to steroids. But too many of the deaths have been heart-related (Guerrero, Pillman, Rude, Bulldog, Hennig, Hawk, Bossman, Hercules, CRZ's friend The Wall, apparently Bigelow) to say that steroids aren't as significant a factor as painkillers and the physical toll. They didn't die of overdoses except for Hennig, where the enlarged heart was a contributing factor.
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| #49 Posted on 22.3.07 0100.25 Reposted on: 22.3.14 0100.39 | Originally posted by JustinShapiro They didn't die of overdoses except for Hennig, where the enlarged heart was a contributing factor.
Isn't acute cocaine intoxication different than an overdose? I could be wrong, but on TV just a couple nights back there was a special about John Belushi and how he didn't die of an overdose as is commonly believed, but rather the cumulative effects of long-term drug use on his system. I was under the impression that the same thing happened to Hennig, with, as you pointed out, the enlarged heart (due to steroids) being a major contributing factor. | Whitebacon
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| #50 Posted on 22.3.07 0408.07 Reposted on: 22.3.14 0410.10 | Originally posted by It's False The sports media continues to look into this story. Yesterday's Pardon The Interruption examined the steroids story and both TK and Wilbon shook their heads over how this story got so big. They both agree that pro wrestlers taking steroids isn't exactly "alert the media" type of news. Then they both noted that steroids have been a part of wrestling since the early days, even invoking the names of Freddie Blassie and Ernie Ladd. I really disagree with that idea, since pro wrestling was an entirely different animal back in Blassie and Ladd's day. I don't think steroids were around wrestling in those days.
I thought Wilbon brought it up more as using them as examples of guys that DIDN'T juice. | Alex
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| #51 Posted on 22.3.07 0619.47 Reposted on: 22.3.14 0619.58 | http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2004-03-12-wrestling-list_x.htm I can't find any links offhand for the difference between intoxication and overdose, but they are different.
I'm absolutely positive that combining steroid use with painkillers, rec drugs, amphetamines, and horomone treatments can only compound health matters for these guys.
Shapiro, were you blowing smoke earlier by mentioning the women? They almost never come up in these conversations, but I would be surprised if performance-enhancing drug use were limited solely to the men.
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| #52 Posted on 22.3.07 1322.15 Reposted on: 22.3.14 1322.19 | I remember hearing about a while back Vince almost lost it when asked abouts Roids being linked to the early deaths of wrestlers
Was this it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovZrHt3ALbs | JustinShapiro
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| #53 Posted on 22.3.07 1613.38 Reposted on: 22.3.14 1614.33 | Originally posted by HMD Isn't acute cocaine intoxication different than an overdose?
Originally posted by Alex I can't find any links offhand for the difference between intoxication and overdose, but they are different.
Oh, okay. I was trying to cover my ass but apparently needn't have.
Shapiro, were you blowing smoke earlier by mentioning the women?
I was not. Besides obvious practical uses like Victoria taking steroids so she can stand out from the little girls and play more of a superstrong lady, all or most of the women take HGH and certain steroid. Because they're not just used for building muscle mass, but to decrease fat, increases lean body mass, and maintain that perfect-human-body look required for any woman to be on WWE television. | ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE |
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