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The 7 - Random - The Indy 500 - starring Paul Tracy as Al Gore
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#1 Posted on 26.5.02 2322.54
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Look - they have multiple camera angles showing that the yellow came out before Tracy pulled into the lead. There's a yellow light in front of each driver which lights up when the yellow comes out. I'd imagine that the IRL has logs to back that up. (And indeed, the IRL timing logs seem to confirm that Castroneves still had the lead when the yellow came out.) I've seen elsewhere that, by IRL rule, the order would have reverted to the previous lap's running order - with Castroneves in the lead. But it's all a big IRL-based conspiracy to Paul Tracy, isn't it? Hate for CART racers - hate for Canadians - hate for Barry Green (his car owner, and the owner of Jacques Villeneuve's car in 1995 when he *won* a close race on a controversial call) - hate for Tracy - it's obviously some type of hate keeping him out of the winner's circle. So, like Gore, he's going to attempt to whine his way to the front of a close race. Not much sportsmanship there.

Steph (so Sarah Fisher came in 24th - better luck next year! )

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#2 Posted on 27.5.02 0249.53
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Just bad luck for Tracy - he was all ready to make his move and then they had that last crash. Why don't they race to the yellow anymore?

But man, what a boring race this year. I don't recall a single meaningful pass for the lead that didn't happen during the pits. "Fastest ever" doesn't mean diddly SHIT when I don't get to see any actual RACING.
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#3 Posted on 27.5.02 0728.45
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I'm not a big follower of racing, but Tracy's a local boy, and he has a reputation of not being the likable sort.

It certainly makes no sense for him to file a formal protest if all the evidence points the other way. Or does he have other footage?

Maybe soon he'll release a documentary "Racing With Shadows."
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#4 Posted on 27.5.09 1321.29
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Just bad luck for Tracy - he was all ready to make his move and then they had that last crash. Why don't they race to the yellow anymore?

    But man, what a boring race this year. I don't recall a single meaningful pass for the lead that didn't happen during the pits. "Fastest ever" doesn't mean diddly SHIT when I don't get to see any actual RACING.
Q: SO. Why exactly do I even watch the Indy 500, anyway?

A: Because I've ALWAYS watched it, I guess.

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#5 Posted on 27.5.02 1521.22
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    I'm not a big follower of racing, but Tracy's a local boy, and he has a reputation of not being the likable sort.

    It certainly makes no sense for him to file a formal protest if all the evidence points the other way. Or does he have other footage?

    Maybe soon he'll release a documentary "Racing With Shadows."



Paul Tracy screwed Paul Tracy!

Sorry, I don't even like racing, but that joke had to be made.
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#6 Posted on 27.5.02 1637.18
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Protest denied - Castroneves' win stands.


    Originally posted by CRZ
    Just bad luck for Tracy - he was all ready to make his move and then they had that last crash. Why don't they race to the yellow anymore?


They still do that in NASCAR. The problem is that some drivers try to run straight over others in their sprint to "get the yellow flag", causing additional crashes besides the one that brought out the yellow in the first place.

My take? Immediately after receiving notification of the yellow, Castroneves backed off the throttle to conserve gas. Tracy took a second or two longer to comply and had fuller fuel tanks, so he swept into the lead convincingly - but, unfortunately, illegally (as the yellow was already out). It's a matter of fractions of a second, but that's life. If the race had finished under green, Tracy likely would have won, since he had the gas for a charge to the end and Castroneves (apparently) would have needed to follow a conservation plan just to finish without running out of gas.

Steph

P.S. The lack of traffic on this thread is an indicator to me just how little interest there is in the Indy 500 these days.
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#7 Posted on 28.5.02 0019.43
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Last time I watched the Indy 500 was when there were three Andretti's in it, and Al Unser Jr. won it.

Can't even get more specific than that
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#8 Posted on 28.5.02 0142.29
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I gotta say, Paul Tracy's whining about "anti-CART" bias just scrapes off what little luster the Great Race once had. It's no shock open-wheel has faded to obscurity in the US. Americans see SpeedWorld, see Michael Schumacher(sp?), and say, "Wow, he's a better driver than any American in open-wheel, let's make sure our NASCAR is the best closed-wheel racing out there, cause this battle's SO lost."
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#9 Posted on 28.5.02 0413.08
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    Originally posted by Stephanie
    P.S. The lack of traffic on this thread is an indicator to me just how little interest there is in the Indy 500 these days.
Well, to be fair it *is* a holiday...
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#10 Posted on 29.5.02 2148.44
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    But man, what a boring race this year. I don't recall a single meaningful pass for the lead that didn't happen during the pits. "Fastest ever" doesn't mean diddly SHIT when I don't get to see any actual RACING.


What are you talking about Zed, that sounded like a great race

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#11 Posted on 31.5.02 0017.12
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    Originally posted by Yun
    Paul Tracy screwed Paul Tracy!

    Sorry, I don't even like racing, but that joke had to be made.



I disagree.
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#12 Posted on 31.5.02 0739.21
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The Indy500 jumped the shark years before.

Nascar rules.
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#13 Posted on 31.5.02 0949.52
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    Originally posted by homer
    The Indy500 jumped the shark years before.

    Nascar rules.



I've seen Indy live, and while it might be past it's prime, it is still a fun event to go to. I haven't been to a NASCAR race yet, but when I do, I'll be able to properly compare the two.
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