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#21 Posted on 21.10.06 0041.41
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      I like how everyone is saying the Cards can't win because they couldn't his Maine and Perez, and not mentioning that if the Mets couldn't hit the Cards pitching how the hell are the Tigers going to?


    Well let's see here. Detroit's offense? 8th in the Majors. St. Louis's offense? 14th in the Majors. And that's mostly because of Pujols who hasn't done much damage so far. The Tigers have played two pitching staffs that were better than the Cardinals this year and scored more runs on them than the Cardinals have scored even though the Cardinals have played more games. The Tigers offense is much better and the Tigers pitching staff is much better that's why the Tigers can hit off the Cardinals better than the Cardinals can hit off the Tigers.


I'm guessing you're using runs scored as the ranking? If so, the Mets scored more runs than the Tigers, and that's with a pitcher in the lineup.
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#22 Posted on 21.10.06 1037.25
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Tigers sweep. I'm amazed at how they rebounded after the past few seasons.
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#23 Posted on 21.10.06 2214.15
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      I like how everyone is saying the Cards can't win because they couldn't his Maine and Perez, and not mentioning that if the Mets couldn't hit the Cards pitching how the hell are the Tigers going to?


    Well let's see here. Detroit's offense? 8th in the Majors. St. Louis's offense? 14th in the Majors. And that's mostly because of Pujols who hasn't done much damage so far. The Tigers have played two pitching staffs that were better than the Cardinals this year and scored more runs on them than the Cardinals have scored even though the Cardinals have played more games. The Tigers offense is much better and the Tigers pitching staff is much better that's why the Tigers can hit off the Cardinals better than the Cardinals can hit off the Tigers.


You missed the point. Some people were giving their pick and only stating the "well if the Cards couldn't hit Maine and Perez" line as their reasoning. My point was if you're going that simple of a route, then why can't you also say that if the Cards could shut down the Mets offense and the Mets offense is better than the Tigers, then how can the Tigers hit off them. Very simplistic and kinda silly, but that was the point.

But whatever, you can all please keep not believing in the Cards having any chance cause it seems to be helping. :)
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#24 Posted on 21.10.06 2317.30
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    Originally posted by Oliver
    Tigers sweep. I'm amazed at how they rebounded after the past few seasons.


Well, that ain't happening now.

The regular season has so little to do with the postseason. Elsewise how/why would wildcard teams (like the Tigers) get to the Series at all.

The 1973 Mets went 82-79 in the regular season, the only team in the NL East to finish above .500...yet they took the powerhouse Oakland A's to seven games in the World Series.

The Cardinals still have the best player in baseball, that man Pujols. No one on the Tigers is nearly as good as he is. If he can get just a few secondary and supplementary contributions while he himself gets hot, the Cards certainly have enough pitching to win three of the next six.

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#25 Posted on 22.10.06 0611.48
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    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    If he can get just a few secondary and supplementary contributions while he himself gets hot, the Cards certainly have enough pitching to win three of the next six.




That was sorta what happened today. Duncan only went 1-4 but got a RBI and then Pujols drove him in. Later Pujols got on base then Edmonds drove him in. If Pujols, Edmonds and Rolen all get on base at a .500 clip, the Tigers could be in trouble.
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#26 Posted on 22.10.06 1106.49
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I can't believe that interference/obstruction call in the 6th. If you looked at the angle from behind homeplate facing 3rd base, it was so obvious that Rolen went out of his way to crash into the 3rd baseman, when he clearly would have scored anyway. You gotta love how Buck & McCarver (both clearly unbiased) wouldn't even consider that possibility.
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#27 Posted on 22.10.06 1431.24
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    Originally posted by hansen9j
    I can't believe that interference/obstruction call in the 6th. If you looked at the angle from behind homeplate facing 3rd base, it was so obvious that Rolen went out of his way to crash into the 3rd baseman, when he clearly would have scored anyway. You gotta love how Buck & McCarver (both clearly unbiased) wouldn't even consider that possibility.


Um, I know I'm biased but Rolen rounded third like a typical man for his size going full speed. I don't see a problem with it, and it was clearly interference by the rules so why take a pot shot at the announcers for a players mistake?

edit: Oh well the pictures on ESPN certainly shed some light on Mr. Rogers amazing postseason. They have a pic from game 3 of the ALCS where that "dirt" is there on his hand again. Now I know he "cleaned" it off after the first inning, but they never checked him so it's not like he couldn't put it on his glove. Main point, he's been cheating to get this far. I'm kinda glad the Cards didn't call him on it, so they won't have an excuse if the Cards pull the upset this year. But yeah, probably not a good idea to cheat with all those cameras around.

Happy with it being 1-1 at this point, with Carp and Suppan coming up at home. Detroit isn't scoring much against the weaker pitchers the Cards have, and Detroit doesn't have anyone else pitching as well as Rogers so I would expect more offense from St. Louis in those games. Could be fun.



(edited by wmatistic on 23.10.06 0818)
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#28 Posted on 23.10.06 1553.37
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    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    They still have a big hole at shortstop, and I don't know that Mickey Stanley is the answer.


Dude, Mickey Stanley is always the answer.
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#29 Posted on 23.10.06 1811.44
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I'm guessing you're using runs scored as the ranking? If so, the Mets scored more runs than the Tigers, and that's with a pitcher in the lineup.


Yes I was going by runs. But the point was that the Tigers have had better offense AND pitching. Without Pedro and El Duque the Mets didn't have better pitching than the Cards, just offense. So the Cards strength in pitching could make up for the strength in the Mets offense. But the Tigers are different becuase they were better than the Cards at both.

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    The regular season has so little to do with the postseason. Elsewise how/why would wildcard teams (like the Tigers) get to the Series at all.


Well I don't think the Tigers are a great example. They finished one game out of their division and two games behind first place overall. But I get the point. Obviously anybody can win any series and obviously the Cards can win because it's 1 - 1 so far. I was just saying based on how the two teams have played this season it's easy to see why the Tigers are favored. They had a better offense, better pitching and they've been more impressive in the playoffs. I never said they were going to win though.
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#30 Posted on 24.10.06 0214.30
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I can't believe that Kenny freakin' Rogers is just a few scoreless frames away from breaking Christy Matthewson's 101-year-old postseason shutout innings streak. That's probably the biggest clue right there and he's somehow cheating.
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#31 Posted on 24.10.06 1201.16
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I can't believe that Kenny freakin' Rogers is just a few scoreless frames away from breaking Christy Matthewson's 101-year-old postseason shutout innings streak. That's probably the biggest clue right there and he's somehow cheating.


How do you know Matthewson wasn't cheating when he got his record? Sad as it seems, at this point with baseball, it is guilty until proven innocent.
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#32 Posted on 24.10.06 1815.36
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    Originally posted by Wpob
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      I can't believe that Kenny freakin' Rogers is just a few scoreless frames away from breaking Christy Matthewson's 101-year-old postseason shutout innings streak. That's probably the biggest clue right there and he's somehow cheating.


    How do you know Matthewson wasn't cheating when he got his record? Sad as it seems, at this point with baseball, it is guilty until proven innocent.


Well considering you could do just about whatever you damn well pleased to the ball in Mathewson's era, Im pretty sure he wasn't "cheating," per se.
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#33 Posted on 24.10.06 2240.22
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And with that shutout, the Tigers are looking like a bunch of players who have very little postseason experience, if not total rookies.

Advantage now Cardinals.
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#34 Posted on 25.10.06 0248.30
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Well, it's not like the Tigers were facing a chump. Carpenter is almost unbeatable at home. I'd say there's still a very good chance the Tigers beat the Mirage That Is Jeff Suppan and tie the Series.
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#35 Posted on 25.10.06 1142.01
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Carpenter made the Tigers lineup look just silly last night. He threw about 3 hittable pitches and even a couple of those were outs. Nearly every third strike was a slider away and nearly every time it looked like a Tiger was going to tattoo it but it just fluttered away. Not much you can do there.

Really, though, momentum is crap in baseball, especially the postseason. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tigers won the next three (with or without the Roaster's special sauce). I also wouldn't be surprised if Suppan and Reyes caught fire again and won the next two.
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#36 Posted on 26.10.06 1413.02
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I just found these comment from Rogers in 2002 to be...amusing.

""Just look around," Rogers said back then. "You've got guys in their late 30s, almost 40, who are throwing the ball 96 to 99 and they never threw that hard before in their lives. I'm sorry. That's not natural evolution."

The words have a different tone to them now, don't they?

And there was this, too, from Rogers: "My belief is God gave you a certain amount of ability and I don't want to enhance it by doing something that is not natural and creates an unfair advantage. I'm critical of guys that do it. On the other hand, if I were 22 or 21 and trying to make it in baseball, I can't say for sure that I wouldn't try something when I plainly see the benefits other guys are getting. I can't say I'm 100 percent positive I wouldn't resort to that.''

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#37 Posted on 26.10.06 1618.07
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    ""Just look around," Rogers said back then. "You've got guys in their late 30s, almost 40, who are throwing the ball 96 to 99 and they never threw that hard before in their lives. I'm sorry. That's not natural evolution."

    The words have a different tone to them now, don't they?


Not really...that's from 2002, where the full context of the quote is talking about juiced pitchers, not scuffing the ball.
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#38 Posted on 26.10.06 1619.02
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I believe that was STEROIDS talk and not DOCTORING THE BALL talk.
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#39 Posted on 26.10.06 1633.16
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But hasn't Rogers been hitting higher on the gun his last few starts than in recent memory?
In that context its ..amusing.
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#40 Posted on 26.10.06 1714.00
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Holy lord, MLB needs to start a fund to get retractable roofs on every stadium north of the Mason-Dixon line. This is getting ridiculous.
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