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#1 Posted on 14.10.06 2226.32
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Turnovers plus poor special teams cost Florida a good shot at the national title. Change in the clock rule hurt them late as well.
Baylor looked good for a quarter. Then, they remembered they lost to Army and Texas destroyed them. Texas, Notre Dame and possibly Tennessee were the 3 teams that didn't play/had weak competition that really benefited this week. All 3, should they win out, could finish ahead of an unbeaten Big East Champ, especially if it is West Virginia, due to the computers.
Mention Missouri and they lose. Time to mention Rutgers and see if it works again for next week.
Louisville was fortunate to survive Cincinnati.
USC will get picked off. Extremely poor clock management by Arizona State in the last 2 minutes. I just hope USC survives long enough to get to the Notre Dame game unbeaten to set up a match-up that could propel ND to 2 behind the Michigan/Ohio State winner.
Bad enough blowing a 24-7 lead at home last week, but losing at home to Vandy? That is territory that Michigan State occupies that Georgia is visiting. Also, nice to see Michigan State not even bothering to show up this week. When ABC dumps an Ohio State game in the early 3rd quarter for Missouri/Texas A@M, that shows how putrid Michigan State was playing.
Only way Miami can get attention is to get into a riot with the 'Fighting' Don Strock's of FIU? I mean, FIU didn't even go I-AA until 4 years ago and they were close mid-way through the 3rd quarter in Little Havana.
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#2 Posted on 14.10.06 2232.29
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This is me being a broken record: Georgia is not a good team. Maybe they'll finally - FINALLY - be taken out of the top 25. Thank f'ing goodness. I just wish Arizona State could have finished the job against USC and sent them at LEAST out of the top 5 because they certainly don't belong there.

How 'bout that Miami-FIU fight. Hol-ee shit! The article on ESPN.com claims an injured FIU player came off the sideline and was beating people with his crutches. You can't make this stuff up, folks!

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#3 Posted on 15.10.06 0006.36
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Man, what a bummer. I really thought Florida could possibly run the table if they won this game. Georgia and FSU don't look very good anymore so they could've done it, but oh well, a SEC Championship would still be a very good season and guess I National Championship isn't totally out of the question if the right teams lose, especially if Auburn somehow gets in the SEC Championship and gets revenge in a rematch.

Ok, so Georgia since they were ranked to begin the season should definitely beat Vanderbilt, BUT Vanderbilt isn't THAT bad, this isn't the team that was completely totally horrible not long ago. They actually stayed close with Michigan, lost to Alabama by 3 and to Arkansas by 2. The Ole Miss loss is a horrible loss to have but that was only a 7 point game they lost by turnovers. If they just didn't make some silly mistakes they could be sitting at 6 - 1 right now, 4 - 0 in the conference. Most of the mistakes I've seen are by Nickson the new QB, if they still had Cutler they might be making the same noise in the East as the Razorbacks are in the West.

Pretty crazy fight, from the report I read it broke out after Kyle Wright pointed to the FIU bench and then bowed to them after going up 14 - 0. Are you kidding me? You're bragging because you're beating FIU by 14??
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#4 Posted on 15.10.06 1043.45
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Personally, I'm thrilled to death that Pitt/Rutgers next week now takes on more importance than anyone could possibly have forseen at the beginning of the season.

Oh, and the FIU/Miami fight? It just shows how far the Canes have fallen. In the glory days, they'd have only wasted that kind of fight on VaTech or FSU.
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#5 Posted on 15.10.06 1100.47
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    Originally posted by HitTheSnoozeButton
    Personally, I'm thrilled to death that Pitt/Rutgers next week now takes on more importance than anyone could possibly have forseen at the beginning of the season.

    Oh, and the FIU/Miami fight? It just shows how far the Canes have fallen. In the glory days, they'd have only wasted that kind of fight on VaTech or FSU.


Coker is already dropping the hammer on the fight, saying that at least 8 players will be suspended (sports.espn.go.com), including the 5 who were ejected last night, James Bryant, who may have started it all by bowing at the FIU bench after his touchdown, and 2 others.

And this was only the first game of a series between the two schools.

This week is also week 1 for the BCS polls, so get ready for the articles about that program heading to hell in a handbasket again.
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#6 Posted on 15.10.06 1148.44
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Georgia is nowhere near the team most thought they were a month ago, and the Colorado game should have tipped everyone off. However, a 24-7 lead at home and you get beat 51-33 is bd enough, but having a 10-0 lead at home against Vandy and losing is inexcusable, even if it isn't a traditional 1-10 Vandy team.
The BCS picked up a huge break with the 3 unbeaten SEC teams going down in the last 2 weeks. No one is going to get up in arms about Boise State not going to the championship game, outside of Idaho, so that is another unbeaten that can be written off. Michigan and Ohio State neutralize each other, so even if Michigan is 3 it doesn't matter since they have #1 head-to-head, as do Louisville/West Virginia/and for theoretical purposes Rutgers. A Big Ten/Pac 10/Big East unbeaten controversy wouldn't cause nearly the stir of a Big Ten/Pac 10/SEC unbeaten controversy. Now, if at the end of the season it is somehow an unbeaten Ohio State/Michigan as #1 and 1 loss NotreDame/Texas/Tennessee/Auburn/Florida/USC/loser of Ohio State/Michigan with the Big East somehow not having an unbeaten, then you could have a real controversy, and possibly that 1 or more from that 1 loss combination could still bump an unbeaten Big East team. Could a 1 loss SEC Team that doesn't play in the conference title game (possibly Auburn or Tennessee)still finish ahead of a 1 loss SEC team that wins the conference title game (Florida)? Some of these combinations could get very interesting.

(edited by redsoxnation on 15.10.06 1250)
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#7 Posted on 15.10.06 1321.41
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Could a 1 loss SEC Team that doesn't play in the conference title game (possibly Auburn or Tennessee)still finish ahead of a 1 loss SEC team that wins the conference title game (Florida)?


Didn't that happen once before in the Big 12? If I remember correctly if you beat a team twice you don't get credit for two good wins (unless this has been changed). If Florida went to the title game and beat Arkansas or Auburn I would think they would still finish ahead of Tennessee because Auburn or Arkansas would count as a good win. But if say Auburn beat FLorida and Auburn didn't get credit for the second win over Florida then you might see Tennessee end up higher. Of course it depends on where they start off in the first BCS rankings too because whoever is higher right now will probably remain that way if the three teams keep winning. I think it should still be FLorida for their schedule but since Tennesee's loss was earlier I have a feeling they'll be higher in the polls making them higher in the Rankings.

Actually another scenario I just thought about. Let's say Tennessee and Florida win the rest of their conference games. They're both 7 - 1 but Florida has the tie break so they go to the SEC Championship, but they could lose to a non-conference FSU and drop behind Tennessee in the BCS Rankings.
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#8 Posted on 15.10.06 1433.59
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I am assuming we are talking about the National Championship game. If that is the case, a team that didn't play in its conference championship (if applicable) has never gone on to play for the National Title. However, a team (Oklahoma) did lose its conference championship game and still advanced to the National Title game. (And if we are just talking BCS bowl games, then the winner of the championship game gets the automatic bid regardless of where they may be in relationship to any other conference team in the BCS standings)

That said, it certainly would be theoretically possible. I think it would be more likely the scenario presented by Quezzy , where the team in the championship game has more losses than a team not in the championship game. I think in most instances where the teams would have the same record, the team that won the championship game would jump ahead in the polls of a team not in the championship game (particularly if said team had defeated the team not in the championship game).

The "good win" credit you are referring to is the old "quality win" component of the BCS, a component that is no longer included. The current system is simply three polls taken together, 1/3 coaches poll, 1/3 Harris poll, and 1/3 composite computer poll.
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#9 Posted on 15.10.06 1540.05
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The first BCS Rankings were just shown on Fox. One, Two, and Three are no surprise. Ohio State, USC, and Michigan. I don't think there was any debate over that once FLorida was out of the equation. But one loss Auburn is already still ahead of undefeated West Virginia and Florida is right behind West Virginia. Looks like a one loss Auburn or one loss Florida could still be in the Championship if USC loses. Louisville, Notre Dame, Texas, and Cal round out the top 10. I'm guessing Georgia losing to Vandy was a big blow to Tennessee's ranking.
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#10 Posted on 15.10.06 1603.49
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I'm surprised that Cal is ahead of Tennessee. Notre Dame at 8 is where I expected them. Texas at 9 is in trouble as they don't have a game on their schedule that could cause a jump. If I'm in the 4-7 spots, I'd be rooting for Oregon to be the team to knock off USC. You would need them to lose already, and you wouldn't want to risk having a 1 loss Cal or Notre Dame be the team to knock them off and get a good bump in the polls.
Considering tie-breakers, unless Arkansas loses twice, there is a fair chance that Auburn doesn't win their division yet plays for the national title. Great, now I have to root for Alabama.
Look at some teams people need to pay attention to in terms of S.O.S and how wins play with voters:
Everyone outside of Michigan and Ohio State needs USC to lose, but probably not to Cal or Notre Dame.
Cal or Notre Dame need to beat an unbeaten USC while running the table.
To weaken the Big East, Miami losing would be beneficial, as it takes away the only 'big' win outside the conference and would hurt the winner of Louisville/West Virginia.
Florida State doing poorly would benefit those of the anti-Florida camp.
Georgia and LSU going into the tank would benefit those anti-SEC'ites.
Oregon beating USC, Cal running the table and Air Force beating Notre Dame would greatly benefit Tennessee.
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#11 Posted on 15.10.06 1625.43
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    Originally posted by ges7184
    I am assuming we are talking about the National Championship game. If that is the case, a team that didn't play in its conference championship (if applicable) has never gone on to play for the National Title.

Are you sure about that? What about the Nebraska-Miami championship game? That year, Ken Dorsey, Clinton Portis, Jonathan Vilma, etc. absolutely housed Nebraska to win the national championship, but Nebraska didn't even play in the Big 12 championship game because of an earlier loss to Colorado (I think). I think the Big 12 championship game that year ended up being Colorado-Oklahoma.

That was also the year that Oregon (featuring a then golden boy Joey Harrington) and Colorado whined to death that one of THEM should have been in the title game against Miami instead of Nebraska. I'm not making all of this up, am I?

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#12 Posted on 15.10.06 1708.40
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    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by ges7184
      I am assuming we are talking about the National Championship game. If that is the case, a team that didn't play in its conference championship (if applicable) has never gone on to play for the National Title.

    Are you sure about that? What about the Nebraska-Miami championship game? That year, Ken Dorsey, Clinton Portis, Jonathan Vilma, etc. absolutely housed Nebraska to win the national championship, but Nebraska didn't even play in the Big 12 championship game because of an earlier loss to Colorado (I think). I think the Big 12 championship game that year ended up being Colorado-Oklahoma.

    That was also the year that Oregon (featuring a then golden boy Joey Harrington) and Colorado whined to death that one of THEM should have been in the title game against Miami instead of Nebraska. I'm not making all of this up, am I?

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Close, you're right Nebraksa and Colorado both had one loss in Big 12 and Colorado had the tie breaker for beating Nebraska. But it was actually Texas that Colorado then played and beat in the Big 12 Championship. Oklahoma did beat Texas that year, but Oklahoma lost to Nebraska and then got upset by Oklahoma State the last week of the season. So Texas with one loss went instead. I kind of want to say the Big 12 Championship game might have also knocked Texas out of the BCS game too because they were a one loss team at the time.

I remember Colorado and Oregon thinking they should be in the Championship game too, they played each other in the Fiesta Bowl instead which Oregon won 38 - 16.


(edited by Quezzy on 15.10.06 1514)

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#13 Posted on 15.10.06 1908.55
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Ah, good call! I forgot about that OK-OK State game, which is funny because I really enjoyed watching that game (I was a pseudo-Texas fan at the time).

EDIT: Also of note, Nebraska didn't just lose to Colorado. They got totally blown out in what I believe was their last regular season game, losing 62-36.

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#14 Posted on 15.10.06 2244.50
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Latest suspension count from the Miami-FIU brawl is 31- 13 from the 'Canes and 18 from FIU, all looking at missing their team's next game. For Miami, that's a trip to Duke, for FIU a trip to Alabama.
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#15 Posted on 16.10.06 1444.00
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After taking a closer look at the BCS Rankings, Michigan actually jumped over USC in one of the polls but USC held on to number 2 in the BCS ranking because they are actually ranked number one in the computer rankings even ahead of Ohio State. Is it just me or is it kind of fishy that USC is ALWAYS the one who benefits from the computers?
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#16 Posted on 16.10.06 1452.47
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Is it just me or is it kind of fishy that USC is ALWAYS the one who benefits from the computers?


I don't think it's fishy at all, but a clear case of USC's wins over Arkansas and Nebraska > Michigan's wins over ND, Vandy, and CMU. I think the conference opponents they have played are similar, with a slight edge to Michigan, but Arkansas' and Nebraska's ONLY losses have been to the Trojans.
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#17 Posted on 16.10.06 1529.26
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by Quezzy
      Is it just me or is it kind of fishy that USC is ALWAYS the one who benefits from the computers?


    I don't think it's fishy at all, but a clear case of USC's wins over Arkansas and Nebraska > Michigan's wins over ND, Vandy, and CMU. I think the conference opponents they have played are similar, with a slight edge to Michigan, but Arkansas' and Nebraska's ONLY losses have been to the Trojans.


Well first of all, i have no qualms with USC being ahead of Michigan. My point is that USC is FIRST, ahead of Ohio State, not just ahead of Michigan. I don't think beating Arkansas and Nebraska is as good as beating Texas and Iowa. Plus, the point wasn't just that USC is higher this year, they're higher EVERY year, no matter who has played who.
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#18 Posted on 16.10.06 1532.53
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Well first of all, i have no qualms with USC being ahead of Michigan. My point is that USC is FIRST, ahead of Ohio State, not just ahead of Michigan.


Isn't Ohio State first?
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#19 Posted on 16.10.06 1546.59
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
        Originally posted by Quezzy
        Is it just me or is it kind of fishy that USC is ALWAYS the one who benefits from the computers?


      I don't think it's fishy at all, but a clear case of USC's wins over Arkansas and Nebraska > Michigan's wins over ND, Vandy, and CMU. I think the conference opponents they have played are similar, with a slight edge to Michigan, but Arkansas' and Nebraska's ONLY losses have been to the Trojans.


    Well first of all, i have no qualms with USC being ahead of Michigan. My point is that USC is FIRST, ahead of Ohio State, not just ahead of Michigan. I don't think beating Arkansas and Nebraska is as good as beating Texas and Iowa. Plus, the point wasn't just that USC is higher this year, they're higher EVERY year, no matter who has played who.


I think you're thinking more historically important teams than actual results this season.

Iowa: this year they have lost to the only ranked team they played(Ohio State) and also lost to unranked Indiana. Purdue is the closest thing I would say they have to a decent win, but it ain't much. Give it time, they still play Wisconsin and Michigan. They win those games and Ohio State will be helped a lot. Well hurt too as they want Michigan unbeated so they can get the big win, but you get the point.

Texas: Has a loss to Ohio State of course. Only quality win is over Oklahoma which doesn't help much because a PAC 10 team has beaten OU as well and OU isn't a top ten team.

Arkansas: 5-1 with a win over a top ten team.

Nebraska: Yeah they haven't done much.

So really it comes down to Arkansas having pulled that huge upset and the other teams having not played their big games yet. That one game is what's swinging the computers to USC right now. The other polls may say those teams are ranked high that Ohio State beat, but the computer can't see it because all they can do is crunch the numbers from this season.

No reason to get all worried about the first week of BCS rankings. Long way to go still.
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#20 Posted on 16.10.06 1558.01
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    Originally posted by pieman
      Originally posted by Quezzy
      Well first of all, i have no qualms with USC being ahead of Michigan. My point is that USC is FIRST, ahead of Ohio State, not just ahead of Michigan.


    Isn't Ohio State first?


Quezzy is talking about the computer poll part of the BCS formula. USC is 1st in them.

Top 3 computer poll average: (best and worst rankings are thrown out)
1) USC -- 1st in 5/6 polls, 2nd in Billingsley. Avg ranking is 1.00
2) Michigan -- 2nd in 5/6 polls, 3rd in Billingsley. Avg ranking is 2.00
3) Ohio State -- 3rd in 5/6 polls, 1st in Billingsley. Avg ranking is 3.00


Links to the polls:

Massey -- http://www.mratings.com/
Sagarin -- http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm
Billingsley -- http://www.cfrc.com/
Anderson -- http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html
Wolfe -- http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/home.htm
Colley Matrix (my favorite, and the most pure in the sense that there is no bias at all, just pure math based on the ELO chess formula) -- http://www.colleyrankings.com/
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