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#1 Posted on 3.10.06 1433.33
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And Oakland goes up 1-0. I'm absolutely shocked that they beat Santana in the Metrodome, but I'm not surprised that Thomas led the way. His bat hasn't cooled at all. And how about that? Yesterday, the Twins were the favorite to win it all. Today, they're in big trouble, because they NEEDED that Santana win.

Detroit and New York go later today.
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#2 Posted on 3.10.06 1730.27
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Listening the Santana's home stats on Sports Centre the other night made him seem almost unbeatable at home. The fact that Zito is a very good pitcher too was largely ignored.
I think the Twins biggest problem is the fact that Morneau hasn't exactly been hitting for power the last month. If he was on, then they'd be much better placed. Thomas just continues to do what he's done for the last 6 weeks.
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#3 Posted on 3.10.06 1803.16
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Don't worry about the Twins. I fully expect them to lose tomorrow too, and then Oakland will revert to the choke artists we know and love. (Hey, until they prove it, they have to deal with it.)
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#4 Posted on 3.10.06 2322.02
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Tonight was another example of why Derek Jeter is head and shoulders above Alex Rodriguez. 5 for 5 with a HR, and afterwards he only speaks about the sucess of the team. The guy is a champ.
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#5 Posted on 4.10.06 1027.51
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    Originally posted by MisterHenderson
    Tonight was another example of why Derek Jeter is head and shoulders above Alex Rodriguez. 5 for 5 with a HR, and afterwards he only speaks about the sucess of the team. The guy is a champ.

I realize that lionizing Jeter and denigrating A-Rod is the thing to do, but you may want to look at their postseason stats. If you do compare them, you'll find their performance is not so different. Jeter has far more at bats, but that's because he has played for superior teams over his career. Sure, A-Rod's postseason stats do not match up to his season stats, but it's a small sample. And, his playoff stats are absolutely comparable to what Jeter has put up.

As far as the putting the team first thing, I don't recall Jeter offering to switch positions so that his team could add one of the most potent bats in the game. Moreover, a superior fielder would have been playing the most defensively important position on the field. Jeter wasn't the one busting his ass learning a new position and putting his defensive reputation on the line for the good of the team. Talk is cheap.

Look, I can't stand A-Rod. But Jeter is the most overrated player in baseball. He's good, but he certainly doesn't match the hype.
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#6 Posted on 4.10.06 1254.40
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But Jeter is the most overrated player in baseball. He's good, but he certainly doesn't match the hype.

Come on. What does the guy have to do? Go 7 for 5?

FLEA


(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 4.10.06 1426)
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#7 Posted on 4.10.06 1326.15
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    As far as the putting the team first thing, I don't recall Jeter offering to switch positions so that his team could add one of the most potent bats in the game. Moreover, a superior fielder would have been playing the most defensively important position on the field. Jeter wasn't the one busting his ass learning a new position and putting his defensive reputation on the line for the good of the team. Talk is cheap.
Why should Jeter have offered to move? He wasn't the one who asked for a trade to another team, and he is hardly a crappy shortstop. If the Yankee shortstop was Royce Clayton, he moves. Jeter has won the Gold Glove each year (not counting 2006, which has yet to be announced) since Rodriguez's arrival, so it would seem that he's somewhat adept at the "most defensively important position on the field." A guy who has led his team to six pennants in 8 years and is extremely capable defensively moving to accomodate an incoming player no matter what caliber of a player he is would be insane. That said, if Rodriguez is the superior athlete that you're making him out to be, it would be more logical for him to learn the new position.
    Originally posted by Corajudo
    I realize that lionizing Jeter and denigrating A-Rod is the thing to do, but you may want to look at their postseason stats. If you do compare them, you'll find their performance is not so different. Jeter has far more at bats, but that's because he has played for superior teams over his career. Sure, A-Rod's postseason stats do not match up to his season stats, but it's a small sample. And, his playoff stats are absolutely comparable to what Jeter has put up.
All you want to do here is compare Jeter's post-season batting average (.307) to A-Rod's (.305). Your statement totally negates the rest of Jeter's stats because "Jeter has far more at bats, but that's because he has played for superior teams over his career." Gee, that makes complete sense - I guess they are pretty much the same player in the post-season, then.
    Originally posted by Corajudo
    Look, I can't stand A-Rod. But Jeter is the most overrated player in baseball. He's good, but he certainly doesn't match the hype.
I've seen almost every game of the guy's career, and from day one, I've heard that very thing. Overrated. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but they guy does everything a player should the way the player should do it, on the field and off. My opinion is that he is underrated, simply because of all of the people that cry the opposite.
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#8 Posted on 4.10.06 1420.01
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Derek Jeter is a very good player and deserves every bit of credit for being a leader and a clutch hitter but one of the best players in the league? I don't think so. He has always benefitted from a loaded lineup and still doesn't put up really impressive numbers. This year has been one of his better years so his numbers are a little bit better, but if you look at a normal season and I'm not sure he's even better than the other New York shortstop.

As for Jeter's 5 for 5, well according to Yankees fans most of A-Rod's hits don't count because the Yankees are already ahead, so Jeter really only went 2 for 2 because after that they had already won.

(edited by Quezzy on 4.10.06 1223)
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#9 Posted on 5.10.06 1622.38
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Yankees drop game 2, 4-3, and I'm starting to hear some real voices of panic among the Yankee faithful. I thought the Tigers would win game 3, if they can pull that off, imagine what the atmosphere will be like with Jaret Wright trying to save the Yankees from elimination?
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#10 Posted on 5.10.06 1759.32
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    Originally posted by kwik
    Yankees drop game 2, 4-3, and I'm starting to hear some real voices of panic among the Yankee faithful. I thought the Tigers would win game 3, if they can pull that off, imagine what the atmosphere will be like with Jaret Wright trying to save the Yankees from elimination?


I don't know. If Jeff Weaver can pitch shutout baseball like he is today, just about anything can happen. Heck, Wright could throw a no-hitter.

But in all seriousness, it's a 1-1 tie. Panicking would be a little premature. It's not like the Yanks are in an 0-2 hole like Minnesota. Wait until after Game 3 to see if it's time to panic. Randy Johnson may just surprise everyone and show absolutely no signs of injury.

EDIT: Oh, and for those who care (a.k.a. Yankee fans), A-Rod went 0 for 4 with 3 K's to a round of boos. Seriously, I'll be stunned if he's in pinstripes again next season.

(edited by It's False on 5.10.06 2021)
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#11 Posted on 6.10.06 0052.10
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I think Randy Johnson doesn't have to be at 100 percent. He can go out there and struggle to six runs over six innings, since I think the Yankees are just going to shell Kenny Rogers. Cameramen, beware after this one is over -- Kenny won't be in a good mood.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong, since seeing the Yankees go down in flames would make me laugh. Perhaps on a Buckneresque error from A-Rod to lose the series.
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#12 Posted on 6.10.06 1812.37
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So long, Twinkies! Swept in 3 games in a final score of 8-3.

Looks like the Tigers and Yankees have much more motivation to win their series, since the winner will get the equivalent of a free pass to the big dance.

EDIT: A-Rod is batting 4th against Kenny Rogers, who he's hit well. Take a drink every time someone says "If he doesn't get a hit here, he may NEVER GET A POSTSEASON HIT AGAIN" and you'll be on the floor in ten minutes.

(edited by It's False on 6.10.06 1614)
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#13 Posted on 6.10.06 2243.57
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I think Randy Johnson doesn't have to be at 100 percent. He can go out there and struggle to six runs over six innings, since I think the Yankees are just going to shell Kenny Rogers.


Ra. Johnson (L, 0-1) 5.2 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
K. Rogers (W, 1-0) 7.2 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 8 K

Oopsie.

And if your playoffs hinge on Jaret Wright putting together a good game and shutting anyone down... I'd start making reservations. (Jaret Wright '06, not Jaret Wright '97, of course.)

And it might be said that the winner of the Tigers/Yankees series would've had a free pass if the Twins won. Think we just saw that if you can survive The Force Of Nature They Call Johan, you'll be in good shape. Anyone else think this would've been a sweep the other way if LIRIANO~! was healthy?
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#14 Posted on 6.10.06 2351.33
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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Anyone else think this would've been a sweep the other way if LIRIANO~! was healthy?


I don't know how having Liriano pitching would've made Johan and Bonser or Radke pitch better, the offense bat better and the fielders field better so no.
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#15 Posted on 7.10.06 0157.53
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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    And if your playoffs hinge on Jaret Wright putting together a good game and shutting anyone down... I'd start making reservations.


I don't think anyone thought Oakland would beat Santana in the Metrodome, Jeff Weaver would pitch shutout baseball in San Diego, or the Mets would beat the Dodgers in Game 1 without Orlando Hernandez. At this point, if Jaret Wright morphed into an All-Star pitcher overnight and saved the Yankees' season, it just wouldn't shock me.

As for the A-Rod watch, he went 0 for 3, which makes him 1 for 11 in the series. If the Yanks do get knocked out in 4, Bronx fans are going to ride him out on a rail.
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#16 Posted on 7.10.06 0223.29
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    Originally posted by drjayphd
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      I think Randy Johnson doesn't have to be at 100 percent. He can go out there and struggle to six runs over six innings, since I think the Yankees are just going to shell Kenny Rogers.


    Ra. Johnson (L, 0-1) 5.2 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
    K. Rogers (W, 1-0) 7.2 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 8 K

    Oopsie.




Hey, at least I was close on Johnson. And I'm happy to be wrong about the Yankees. Bonderman's record at Comerica hasn't been great this season, so it wouldn't surprise me to see NYY force a Game Five.

Man, I love the playoffs. I don't think many people were predicting an A's sweep, a possible Cards sweep, a possible Mets sweep (given their pitching injuries), and the Tigers on the verge of taking out the Yankees. That mighty lineup putting up an 0-for-18 with runners on....incredible.

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#17 Posted on 7.10.06 1826.38
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It's all over but the crying in the Bronx. Bonderman just absolutely shuts down the Yanks, as the Tigers win the series in an 8-3 rout.

Final A-Rod watch: 0 for 3 to finish the series 1 for 14. Never mind that everyone not named Jeter sucked more than a Hoover (especially Sheffield, who not only didn't come through with big hits, but committed a huge error that unfairly went to A-Rod), but A-Rod will undoubtedly get singled out by the New York media and disgruntled Yankees fans. His days in the Bronx are done. I mean, there's no way he'd subject himself to this kind of scrutiny again next season. Right?

Detroit now travels to Oakland in a matchup I don't think anyone imagined. Who would have thought that the two AL favorites would have just gotten eaten for breakfast?
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#18 Posted on 7.10.06 1844.39
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The Yankees Are Dead! The Curse Of Mattingly Lives! Happy Elimination Day to One and All. As big a goat as A-Rod was in this series, the real culprit for the Yankees was Mr. Anal Rententive Himself Mike Mussina. 3-1 lead in Game 2 while up 1 game to none and the Tigers looking like a team that would quietly go into the night with a 8 game losing streak to end the regular and post-season, and the man who never has won 20 or a World Series spits the bit.
With Sweet Lou still on the managerial marketplace, does Steinbrenner eat the last year of Torre's contract and finally fire him? Hopefully, he doesn't replace Torre with Mattingly, as that could put Mattingly in a position where he could eventually be fired, and that is something that true Yankee Despisers could never accept. Just name Mattingly perpetual hitting coach for the Yankees and leave him and his #23 in the dugout from here through eternity.
You know it is a wonderful day when Sterling and Waldman are calling this the biggest embarrasment in Yankee post-season history in the 5th inning and declaring it a loss. When the Yankees lose the faith of John Sterling, you know they are dead. The ultimate indignity of Kenny Rogers standing on the Yankees dugout post game spraying the crowd with champagne. And, yet another reminder of the Jeff Weaver disaster in Bonderman beating the Yankees in the knock-out game, a player who was involved in that 3-way disaster. Oh well, at least the Yankee fans can start counting the days until Carl Pavano injures himself again for the 2007 season. Happy Elimination Day.

(edited by redsoxnation on 7.10.06 1948)
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#19 Posted on 7.10.06 1924.04
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I'm not sure how Mike Mussina is at fault for a vaunted Yankees lineup which scored 6 runs in 3 games (include 3 long after the game had got away from them.) Nor am I sure how Mussina is at fault for RJ and Jaret Wright's diasastous starts.

Yankees bats got cold at the wrong time, the weakness in starting pitching got exposed, and the Tiggers were clearly the better team.
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