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#21 Posted on 30.8.06 2242.29
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      She almost won, and I do remember hearing her name bandied about for a couple weeks, but WWE does sell-out arenas. Not being mentioned by the fickle, elitist press doesn't mean wrestlers aren't stars.


    I didn't mean to suggest that, although I can see how it came off that way. But with the possible exception of Cena, who gets tabbed for those kids award show dealies, I think being on a network sitcom and having a potato chip commercial makes you a bigger mainstream star than people who appear on Raw. Media fickleness and elitism notwithstanding, my point was more that we might tend to overvalue the stardom of being a World Wrestling Entertainment Superstar. I'd guess that Stacy is now probably more known and recognizable than someone like Triple H.

    (edited by JustinShapiro on 30.8.06 2328)


Although, that does raise the interesting question of whether or not the people that know who Stacy is now care as much as the people who know who HHH is. If she doesn't get over as a tv personality, she's not going to be in any better financial or creative situation. It's true that she won't have to put up with the travel, or the possibility of getting hurt in one of her rare matches, but I wonder if she's going to be any happier doing what she's doing now than she was before. I mean, let's not kid ourselves - mainstream media is just as sleazy as pro wrestling in a lot of ways. They just don't usually make you pay your own airfare.
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#22 Posted on 30.8.06 2325.18
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I didn't mean to suggest that, although I can see how it came off that way. But with the possible exception of Cena, who gets tabbed for those kids award show dealies, I think being on a network sitcom and having a potato chip commercial makes you a bigger mainstream star than people who appear on Raw. Media fickleness and elitism notwithstanding, my point was more that we might tend to overvalue the stardom of being a World Wrestling Entertainment Superstar. I'd guess that Stacy is now probably more known and recognizable than someone like Triple H.
Oops, you had me until you made the wrong example.

"Man Law?"

"MAN LAW."
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#23 Posted on 31.8.06 0134.38
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Although, that does raise the interesting question of whether or not the people that know who Stacy is now care as much as the people who know who HHH is. If she doesn't get over as a tv personality, she's not going to be in any better financial or creative situation. It's true that she won't have to put up with the travel, or the possibility of getting hurt in one of her rare matches, but I wonder if she's going to be any happier doing what she's doing now than she was before. I mean, let's not kid ourselves - mainstream media is just as sleazy as pro wrestling in a lot of ways. They just don't usually make you pay your own airfare.


But other than wrestling, what weekly tv stars's popularity is based on how many fans cheer for them when they show up at work? She doesn't have to have people care about her at all.

Get your name out there (which she's done). Hire an agent and use any success any show you've been on has gotten to get more work. No one cares about Hugh Laurie as a person (sorry Hugh), they care about him because of how good he is at House. If Stacy gets a low-decent level sitcom role, and the show keeps going for a couple years or even just one, her name still stays out there, leading to another role, and another. Even if she's at the bottom level of the sitcom ranks, it'll still be higher than "Professional Wrestler" on the Celebrity Food Chain.

I also think that there are MANY differences in the amount and types of sleaze that wrestling/mainstream have. It may be the same from the executive level, but it's not the same in an everyday life way.

I don't think that many people at tv tapings for sitcoms get drunk and yell things like "GET SOME FAKE TITTIES!!!" but I could be wrong...


    Originally posted by Oliver

    I can't believe the stupidity of some TV series sometimes...couldn't the producers see what kind of experience a participant has, and then pair him or her up with a musician with similar talents? I mean...did anyone really think Jericho could tackle country music? I would have preferred to have seen him alongside, say....Brett Michaels for a song, or someone like that.


I think more blame needs to be placed on Jericho for entering a show that would pair him up with these people. He obviously thought that he was a qualified singer (not just a screamer) and he found out otherwise I guess.

I don't think that it's up to the producers of the show to hide and cover obvious weaknesses of any reality show contestant. This wasn't a show just to show off how fantastic a group of hasbeens (Celebs, Singers, and Judges) sounds like, it's supposed to be a competition. To be honest, he never should have entered once he found out what it was going to be.


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#24 Posted on 31.8.06 1032.45
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    Oops, you had me until you made the wrong example.

    "Man Law?"

    "MAN LAW."
I'd disagree - HHH is a good fit for the Man Law ads because he looks the part, not because non-WWE fans know who he is. I've been in the room with non-fans when that Wendy's commercial comes on (TRIPLE H BURGER) and it was very obvious that he's not exactly up there with Hulk Hogan or The Rock in terms of mainstream awareness.
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#25 Posted on 31.8.06 1132.37
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Has everyone also forgotten Blade Trinity? Or that one episode of Pacific Blue???

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#26 Posted on 31.8.06 1140.09
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I do agree about Angle, while will miss his matches, it is best for him to take time off.
But one of the reasons Jericho was stale was because he NEVER took time off due to injury. Think about it, he was around almost non stop on American TV for about 10 years. So I assumed his health was pretty good. I don't feel so bad about wishing he (or the Rock) would return to the ring, compared to Angle.
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#27 Posted on 31.8.06 1309.36
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    Originally posted by kentish
    Think about it, he was around almost non stop on American TV for about 10 years.


Very true. I believe in his WWE run he made every possible PPV except for either 3 or 4, and all were healthy scratches (and one featured him running in at the main event).
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#28 Posted on 31.8.06 1429.12
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    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by CRZ
      Oops, you had me until you made the wrong example.

      "Man Law?"

      "MAN LAW."
    I'd disagree - HHH is a good fit for the Man Law ads because he looks the part, not because non-WWE fans know who he is. I've been in the room with non-fans when that Wendy's commercial comes on (TRIPLE H BURGER) and it was very obvious that he's not exactly up there with Hulk Hogan or The Rock in terms of mainstream awareness.
Well, Justin's point was "Stacy's got a potato chip ad!" while mine was "So what? Triple H is hawking BEER" but your Wendy's point actually reinforces my point. I think.

(Also, John Cena hawks HORSE RACING!!!!!!)
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#29 Posted on 31.8.06 1429.25
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If they had done Jericho singing a duet of 'Feelings' or 'You Light up My Life' with Ralphus, they would have brought me in as a viewer.
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#30 Posted on 31.8.06 1558.01
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by KJames199
        Originally posted by CRZ
        Oops, you had me until you made the wrong example.

        "Man Law?"

        "MAN LAW."
      I'd disagree - HHH is a good fit for the Man Law ads because he looks the part, not because non-WWE fans know who he is. I've been in the room with non-fans when that Wendy's commercial comes on (TRIPLE H BURGER) and it was very obvious that he's not exactly up there with Hulk Hogan or The Rock in terms of mainstream awareness.
    Well, Justin's point was "Stacy's got a potato chip ad!" while mine was "So what? Triple H is hawking BEER" but your Wendy's point actually reinforces my point.


Totally forgot about Man Law! My bad. George Lopez in 2006 still trumps a 1999 episode of Drew Carey, says I.
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#31 Posted on 31.8.06 1639.48
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by CRZ
        Originally posted by KJames199
          Originally posted by CRZ
          Oops, you had me until you made the wrong example.

          "Man Law?"

          "MAN LAW."
        I'd disagree - HHH is a good fit for the Man Law ads because he looks the part, not because non-WWE fans know who he is. I've been in the room with non-fans when that Wendy's commercial comes on (TRIPLE H BURGER) and it was very obvious that he's not exactly up there with Hulk Hogan or The Rock in terms of mainstream awareness.
      Well, Justin's point was "Stacy's got a potato chip ad!" while mine was "So what? Triple H is hawking BEER" but your Wendy's point actually reinforces my point.


    Totally forgot about Man Law! My bad. George Lopez in 2006 still trumps a 1999 episode of Drew Carey, says I.


Actually, I'm pretty sure George Lopez, at no time, has trumped anything...
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#32 Posted on 31.8.06 1841.02
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    Originally posted by drjayphd
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      Totally forgot about Man Law! My bad. George Lopez in 2006 still trumps a 1999 episode of Drew Carey, says I.


    Actually, I'm pretty sure George Lopez, at no time, has trumped anything...

Especially considering "Drew Carey" is still run every weekday on TBS and in syndication.

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#33 Posted on 31.8.06 1856.49
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Yes, Triple H's lone appearance from seven years ago might be seen once every two months on a TBS rerun. That is not > than a recurring role on a current prime time network TV show, dumb one or not.
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#34 Posted on 31.8.06 1912.12
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    She was never mentioned on WWE ever again because they're petty and once it became clear she had eclipsed their world where they control everybody, they felt they had nothing to gain by acknowledging her.

Bruce Mitchell, ladies and gentlemen!

Potato chip commercial and this and that, we're all missing the big caveat here: hardly anybody actually likes Stacy. I mean, I do. But I'm just a random dude who thinks she's hot. That and a nickel will get you a trolley ride to the glory hole.

People hated her on that dancing show. The last few weeks, you could tell she was coming in dead last in the fan votes. All the women seemed to despise her. People thought she was a ringer. There was some blog on MSN ripping her to shreds every week. I remember looking at the ABC.com message boards, and they were filled with a pure, vitriolic rage against poor Stacy. It was alarming.

Then she got Punk'd and didn't exactly win over a lot of people with how she acted, even though I, personally, myself, didn't think it was so bad. But I saw the vid on YouTube, where several hundred people summed up her appearance by saying "jeez, what a bitch", or other words I dare not repeat.

Now the wrestling fans don't seem to like her. Who's left, other than the aforementioned random dudes? What good is the bright spotlight of being on a sitcom that tied Arrested Development in the ratings last year if people already have a strong aversion to you? Senor Lopez may be a muy amusing Latino performer, but the man is not a miracle worker. Although he's still employed, so maybe he is.

Clearly the answer is for her to pose naked, but that's a discussion for another day. In summation, there was probably a point where you could have said "Chyna/Sable is a bigger star than (X guy on Raw)", but it would have been pretty a silly comment all of 3-4 months later. One might think Stacy has a better chance, but there's a lot working against her. Like the hatred of the American public. That's all I'm saying.

Anyway, poor Jericho. Didn't they know beforehand that he can't sing?

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#35 Posted on 31.8.06 2348.13
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    hardly anybody actually likes Stacy.


Well hardly anybody likes Tom Cruise and he's still a bigger star than Kiefer Sutherland. Actually I'm sure all kinds of people still love Tom Cruise, but I felt like I was supposed to match the knock at your own beloved TV show. Anyway, "strong aversion" strikes me as some combination of overstating it and not that important in keeping her from getting signed by ABC. Plus she gets mentioned on those Inside Access shows that air at 7:30 and we knows that's the best gauge of who the best people in the world are.


    there was probably a point where you could have said "Chyna/Sable is a bigger star than (X guy on Raw)"


Well, only when they themselves were also on Raw. Not after they'd left for bigger/better/non-existent things. Stacy actually has a contract with Disney to do ... groundbreaking things, I'm sure. But Mick Foley, one of biggest stars from the boomin' times and a naturally funny dude, spent like two years between his contract expiring from 12/01 to 5/03 looking for outside projects and never got anything like Stacy did (although didn't he have a sitcom that was passed or something like that?). Stacy being arguably sexier than Mick and catching the break of the DTWS exposure obviously gave her a significant advantage, but I'm not talking about merit, just * power.


    What good is the bright spotlight of being on a sitcom that tied Arrested Development in the ratings last year if people already have a strong aversion to you?


But my claim isn't Stacy Keibler: Bound For Glory. It's just Stacy Keibler: Currently More Recognizable Than Big Names In Pro Wrestling. The WWE Champion -- the heavyweight champion of the entire Earth! -- was on Mind of Mencia. You don't have to be on Lost to trump the visibility of a WWE star.
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#36 Posted on 1.9.06 0831.10
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      there was probably a point where you could have said "Chyna/Sable is a bigger star than (X guy on Raw)"


    Well, only when they themselves were also on Raw. Not after they'd left for bigger/better/non-existent things.


Y'know, some people used to claim that Sable was the reason for RAW's record ratings. There was reason to think that her jumping to WCW could turn the tide. Then we realized that Austin raised everyone to superstar level and that without them, Sable wouldn't be pulling 6.7 quarters. Those ratings were always weird. I think for a while Brisco/Patterson vs. The Mean Street Posse was the highest rated match in wrestling history.

Anyway, back to Keibler:
I wasn't aware that America had such a blind hatred for Stacy. Honestly, reality show fans are an odd bunch to begin with, and she WAS a ringer anyway. Whatever backlash she gets from that or from being snooty on Punk'd in the long run won't matter. She signed a contract with DISNEY. Disney is to entertainment what signing with WWE is to wrestling. People pretend that other companies can market you as well and as profitable, but ultimately the big money lies with the brand leaders.

It's important to not that Keibs is 26 too. And about the Foley point, he IS a toothless, hairy, fat, scarred up wrestler. Not a ton of projects fit HIM. However, a tall, young, wholesome-looking blonde who can dance and recite dialogue even slightly better than Kelly Kelly will do pretty well in Hollywood, I gather. I mean, Kathy Griffin probably makes more money than 90 percent of the WWE roster and she's a self-professed D celebrity.

I have no clue what Stacy'sQ rating is (though now I'm wondering if we can google that) but if Disney is high on her I think she'll be okay.



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#37 Posted on 1.9.06 1105.27
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    Also, John Cena hawks HORSE RACING!!!!!!)


John Cena is a CHILDREN"S CHaracter!!!

That is like having GI Joe endorce slot machines.
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#38 Posted on 1.9.06 1559.39
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Actually I'm sure all kinds of people still love Tom Cruise, but I felt like I was supposed to match the knock at your own beloved TV show.

I wasn't trying to knock anything, I was just putting the George Lopez ratings into perspective. I could have just said "80th place among the key 18-49 demo" or whatever it actually was, but as most know of the ratings plight of Arrested Development, yourself especially, it seemed liked a good comparison. George Lopez's ratings aren't blowing anyone away, that was the crux of the issue. I wasn't trying to backhand Arrested Development out of the clear blue sky.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Anyway, "strong aversion" strikes me as some combination of overstating it and not that important in keeping her from getting signed by ABC.

I am overstating a bit for dramatic effect. But I dunno, the big talk at first was the usual jazz that they were going to develop exciting, fantastic, tremendous projects for Stacy and all that. Now it seems they're just sticking her on a middling sitcom that's on it's last legs. Curious.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Plus she gets mentioned on those Inside Access shows that air at 7:30 and we knows that's the best gauge of who the best people in the world are.

You've got me here.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Well, only when they themselves were also on Raw. Not after they'd left for bigger/better/non-existent things.

No, I mean after they left. Well, the day after. But Chyna had network sitcom juice herself back then. THIRD ROCK FROM THE SUN... WHERE'S EDDIE?! That was before she left, of course, but raised her star value above a guy who was only on Raw. They were pretty big in the mainstream for a while there. And both of them were on the Entertainment Tonights and whatnot well after they were gone, talking (lying) about all the awesome stuff that was just around the corner for them. Like Sable's country music album that, sadly, never materialized.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    But my claim isn't Stacy Keibler: Bound For Glory. It's just Stacy Keibler: Currently More Recognizable Than Big Names In Pro Wrestling.
This is where my Chyna/Sable comparison comes in. Hopefully Stacy manages to hang on better than they did, and even if she's just on George Lopez for one show she's probably won that race already. But since we have those sort of examples to look back on, being able to stop at a specific point and say "she's a bigger star than these wrestlers" doesn't mean a whole lot (to me) without seeing if it can be sustained.
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#39 Posted on 2.9.06 1505.55
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    Hopefully Stacy manages to hang on better than they did, and even if she's just on George Lopez for one show she's probably won that race already. But since we have those sort of examples to look back on, being able to stop at a specific point and say "she's a bigger star than these wrestlers" doesn't mean a whole lot (to me) without seeing if it can be sustained.


That's all perfectly reasonable. As a gentleman, I just felt I should stick up for the poor girl against accusations that WWE got rid of her because she sucked and came in third. And if it created an avenue for me to do some good old fashiond headshaking handwringing about This Industry, well, oh, who can resist.
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#40 Posted on 3.9.06 1647.07
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      I didn't mean to suggest that, although I can see how it came off that way. But with the possible exception of Cena, who gets tabbed for those kids award show dealies, I think being on a network sitcom and having a potato chip commercial makes you a bigger mainstream star than people who appear on Raw. Media fickleness and elitism notwithstanding, my point was more that we might tend to overvalue the stardom of being a World Wrestling Entertainment Superstar. I'd guess that Stacy is now probably more known and recognizable than someone like Triple H.
    Oops, you had me until you made the wrong example.

    "Man Law?"

    "MAN LAW."


Did he really need to hammer on the beer can to the head though? It might be a softer can, but it still makes the Sandman bleed.

Stacy also has something that Sable and Chyna didn't have when they left the WWE, she can still pose naked when there is nothing left and it will be something new to all of us. That is a pretty nice option to have when your star hasn't completly faded yet. She's played her cards better than any other Diva to date, so it will be interesting to see how she does from here.



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