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#1 Posted on 22.7.06 0652.31
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I didn't see anybody else start this thread, so I'll do it. This movie was awesome, I even liked it better then the first one. From start to finish everybody in the theater was laughing. I won't go into details about each and every part, but I laughed so hard my sides hurt when Randell did his interpretation of the Lord of The Ring movies. My advice even if you haven't seen another Kevin Smith film go See this and you won't be disappointed.
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#2 Posted on 22.7.06 0816.45
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"We took Criminology... what the fuck were we studying to be? BATMAN?"

God this movie is a hell of a message about finding your place in life. From Randall's unadultered emotion at the end, to the lack of an answer from Silent Bob forcing the two to work it out themselves... this movie rocked.
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#3 Posted on 22.7.06 0822.31
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I don't know if I liked it better than the original, but this was a very funny movie. I want to say that the new kid Elias fit so well into their group. It makes me wish he was in all of them.

Randall's thing about "I'm taking it back" was awesome.
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#4 Posted on 23.7.06 0231.13
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    Originally posted by The King of Keith
    Randall's thing about "I'm taking it back" was awesome.


Funny thing is - I thought the same thing Randal did until a few years ago. I thought it was just something mailmen called kids cutting school!

I was kinda nervous for Smith about that scene, thinking it was out of the ordinary for him until I got home and played the animated DVD again, and rewatched Randal addressing the jury of basketball players when Jay took Dante to court, and then realized that yeah - Smith had done racial bits before, but not on a feature film (that I remember anyway). It's meant to be funny, I guess, and I hope people take it that way, but the two ushers sitting in front of us didn't look too thrilled by it.

All in all, I liked the rest of the movie. Had a good message at the end, and I really liked Dawson's performance.
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#5 Posted on 23.7.06 1204.22
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I loved it. I thought it was a very nice way to maybe close out Dante & Randal's saga. I've read rumors of a third one. Ack.

Spoilers tags, just in case...

Did anyone else notice right off the bat; the hinting of ...

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Dante & Becky's relationship with the "I'm eating it" decal in the window in front of him. I know we end up finding out later anyways, but that was a nice subtle touch.
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#6 Posted on 23.7.06 2313.47
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    Originally posted by JST
    Did anyone else notice right off the bat; the hinting of ...

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    Dante & Becky's relationship with the "I'm eating it" decal in the window in front of him. I know we end up finding out later anyways, but that was a nice subtle touch.



I thought it was just mocking fast food slogans (I mean, look at how they refer to French toast and fries). The signage was good too... look at some of the other unfortunately-named items.

And as for the bit with Jay dancing that's in all the ads:

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Is it sad I didn't realize that was a Silence of the Lambs reference? All I knew is Jay's mangina = comedy GOLD.
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#7 Posted on 24.7.06 1110.41
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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    And as for the bit with Jay dancing that's in all the ads:

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    Is it sad I didn't realize that was a Silence of the Lambs reference? All I knew is Jay's mangina = comedy GOLD.



That was the one thing in teh TV ads that ultimately turned me against seeing the film. They're making fun of a film that's about 15 years old. It should have been in the first film.
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#8 Posted on 24.7.06 1232.02
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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    I thought it was just mocking fast food slogans (I mean, look at how they refer to French toast and fries). The signage was good too... look at some of the other unfortunately-named items.


I LOVED the "King of the Juice" breakfast combo on the Mooby's sign at the begining of the film.

I enjoyed this movie much more that I expected to-it was a much more fitting end the the Jersey Trilogy That's Really Five Films than the Jay and Silent Bob movie was supposed to be.
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#9 Posted on 27.7.06 0848.08
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I got out to the local theatre to see it last night, and I loved it. Kevin Smith was at his best. And its good to see a healthy Jason Mews.

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#10 Posted on 29.7.06 1143.58
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I saw it a few days ago and I thought it was great but nowhere close to the first movie.

But, the whole Lords of the Rings vs. Star Wars bit was so incredible. The three days after watching, all my friends could do was to mimic that walk and loudly proclaim about the one ring. It was just a brilliant scene.

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#11 Posted on 29.7.06 1356.29
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It was so funny from start to finish, funniest movie of the entire summer!

I think everyone age appropriate should go see it!
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#12 Posted on 1.8.06 0843.09
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I saw it a week or so ago, and I have to say, I've lost faith in Kevin Smith. I felt "Clerks 2" was just an apparent response to his fear of making a real movie once "Jersey Girl" tanked. I would have much rather him have given "The Green Hornet" a go as opposed to another round of jokes I'm just getting too old for.
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#13 Posted on 2.8.06 0939.54
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I saw it and maybe I'm easily amused but I laughed my ass off for much of the movie, and thought it showed as well as possible the way a group of degenerates grow and change over time.

That said, it's kind of sad to see Smith's bitterness about the fact that people gave LOTR respect as great movies, as opposed to Star Wars which get respect as great spectacles. It's okay Kevin, Episodes 4-6 were good movies. No shame in being The Other Trilogy versus the crowning cinematic acheivement of our time.

*and now scurries off in hopes of watching the Holy War begin* ;)
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#14 Posted on 2.8.06 1029.29
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    Originally posted by spf
    That said, it's kind of sad to see Smith's bitterness about the fact that people gave LOTR respect as great movies, as opposed to Star Wars which get respect as great spectacles. It's okay Kevin, Episodes 4-6 were good movies. No shame in being The Other Trilogy versus the crowning cinematic acheivement of our time.


I didn't perceive Kevin as being bitter over LotR (at least, not at first, but now that you've pointed it out I suppose its there on reflection), but I thought the way that he handled it highlighted the age difference between Randall and Elias specifically, and was part of the subtext that the world was passing Randall and Dante by. That generation had Star Wars. The next generation, the current Clerks, have LotR. In a way, I think Kevin may even be acknowledging his age himself. I especially noticed it in the soundtrack, which, if I recall, featured the Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, and Soul Asylum at various points.

Really, I don't know how to view the movie. I enjoyed it, but it really felt bittersweet. Sorta like how its good to see an old friend you haven't seen in a while, and yet a bit sad to see that he hasn't changed and moved on with his life. The jokes were good, but I left the movie feeling more pensive than I did jovial.

And what does it say about his marriage that he cast his wife to play the controlling girlfriend?
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#15 Posted on 2.8.06 1214.23
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    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    And what does it say about his marriage that he cast his wife to play the controlling girlfriend?


I think it just says that Kevin Smith enjoys nepotism more than most. The little girl that waves at Dante while he's parked outside the restaurant was Kevin Smith's daughter, and the movie was full of appearances by his friends (and I think one other family member - have to check that one).

Kevin Smith is a funny guy. Really, really funny. The Evening with Kevin Smith DVD is proof of that - he's a great storyteller and the DVD set is arguably funnier than any of his movies. I'll pick up Clerks 2 on DVD, but I'm more looking forward to An Evening with Kevin Smith 2.

But for whatever reason, his humour doesn't translate fully into his movies. Dogma, Jay & Silent Bob, and now Clerks II - they all had some very funny parts and some parts where the jokes bombed and I kind of felt bad for everyone involved.

I also don't really care for how he handles "serious" conversations - Chasing Amy has some very funny parts (or rather it did until the internet quoted them to death), but some of the serious conversations were so forced and awkward and unrealistic and the whole thing kind of fell to hell near the end. And Jersey Girl, that was just awful. Bad dialogue, cheesy cliches, and one funny line in the whole movie.

Maybe Kevin Smith is just bad at writing movies? He can tell funny stories, and when the opportunity exists to convert them into movie dialogue, they stay funny, but when he actually has to write for a character who's not just like himself, it falls apart.
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#16 Posted on 2.8.06 1719.26
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    Originally posted by KJames199
    I think it just says that Kevin Smith enjoys nepotism more than most. The little girl that waves at Dante while he's parked outside the restaurant was Kevin Smith's daughter, and the movie was full of appearances by his friends (and I think one other family member - have to check that one).


Smith's mom was the Milk Maid in the final scene.
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#17 Posted on 3.8.06 1049.30
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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Smith's mom was the Milk Maid in the final scene.


Yes, that's exactly what I was referencing while trying to not spoil it for people who haven't seen the movie yet.

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#18 Posted on 7.8.06 0658.54
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Saw it this weekend and I really enjoyed this movie. Not as good as the first, but a fun movie with some great lines.

"Hey fucko, it's called interspecies erotica".

I have no idea why anyone would walk out at the donkey part. I was not offended in the least. I am more offended that Oliver Stone is releasing a movie about the Twin Towers (9/11) than I am over the donkey scene.
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#19 Posted on 7.8.06 0740.58
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Not to de-rail the thread, but you should really see The "Oliver Stone 9/11" movie before deciding it'll be Crazy Oliver Stone saying Crazy Offensive Things about that day. Coz it's really not.
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#20 Posted on 7.8.06 0749.54
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    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by EddieBurkett
      And what does it say about his marriage that he cast his wife to play the controlling girlfriend?


    I think it just says that Kevin Smith enjoys nepotism more than most. The little girl that waves at Dante while he's parked outside the restaurant was Kevin Smith's daughter, and the movie was full of appearances by his friends (and I think one other family member - have to check that one).


Yeah, on one side it's nepotism but it's also his way of showing loyalty to the people that believe in him and stick with him.
The fact that he uses his friends from way back is another example.
Also, since Smith keeps hammering on the fact that the movie only cost 5 million, I would like to say that using your own family and friends *cough*BenAffleck*JasonLee*Cough* is a nice way of keeping the costs lower than hiring actors from outside your circle who will not do the job for cheap.

Saw the movie this weekend, laughed hard, and the idea behind it is cool too.
You can try and move away but sometimes what you love most is right in front of you. It's a cliche in itself, but I guess it's true for both Randall & Dante and for Smith himself.
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