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#1 Posted on 11.7.06 1310.38
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Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AjntFORy_pc8RSjnCl1Ovjzov7YF?slug=ap-nascar-newlook&prov=ap&type=lgns

It will be interesting to see how Montoya will do. He's amazingly talented, but it's a huge transition and his temperment could make for some interesting moments. He'll make all kinds of money in endorsements because he'll be the face of their marketing in Spanish, and you know that NASCAR will pour resources into one of the few U.S. markets they haven't tapped.

As far as Patrick goes, she's a middle of the pack driver in the IRL (which has an inferior product and drivers). If she lands a seat in NASCAR, it's because she's good looking. So, she'll be good for marketing but won't have any impact on the competitive balance in the series.
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#2 Posted on 11.7.06 1453.01
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    As far as Patrick goes, she's a middle of the pack driver in the IRL (which has an inferior product and drivers). If she lands a seat in NASCAR, it's because she's good looking. So, she'll be good for marketing but won't have any impact on the competitive balance in the series.


She's a "middle of the pack driver" driving for a currently crap-team, often outrunning her more experienced teammate, Buddy Rice. She also was the highest-finishing Panoz-driver at Indy, and has top-eight finishes in four of the eight races this year. I'm not suggesting that if you put her in a third Penske or Ganassi-Indy car that she would be contending for the championship right away, but she'd be doing a damn sight better than she's doing now. I think you are selling her driving abilities WAY short, especially since she was a road racer up until last year.

I'd personally rather see her stay in the IRL because the "Danica at Indy"-story is a good one I'd like to see play out a little longer. I'm also fairly sure that if you could put Wheldon, Hornish, and Castroneves in a race where they weren't disadvantaged because the cars are just like stock cars run on all stock car tracks (like IROC) they'd be right up there with the Tony Stewarts and the Jeff Gordons, et al.

I DID let out a "holy shit" when I saw the Montoya-to-the #42 story on the ESPN ticker Sunday morning. Since McLaren has basically released him I'd guess he'll be doing some Busch races sooner than later.
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#3 Posted on 11.7.06 1612.24
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    She's a "middle of the pack driver" driving for a currently crap-team, often outrunning her more experienced teammate, Buddy Rice. She also was the highest-finishing Panoz-driver at Indy, and has top-eight finishes in four of the eight races this year. I'm not suggesting that if you put her in a third Penske or Ganassi-Indy car that she would be contending for the championship right away, but she'd be doing a damn sight better than she's doing now. I think you are selling her driving abilities WAY short, especially since she was a road racer up until last year.

She does have more points than Buddy Rice, but it's only been 8 races. And, Rice has more DNFs, so I'd argue that she is only ahead of him in points because her luck has been better.

As far as the team, I don't think it's a crap-team. They had a top five driver in 2004, a top ten last year and won the 2004 Indy 500. Given the number of cars in the series, that makes them a second tier type team. Not great but not horrible.

As far as selling her driving abilities short, she has never won any race above karting (not Formula Ford, not Toyota Atlantic, nothing), much less challenged for a season championship. Meanwhile, drivers who consistently beat her on the track were passed up for an IRL seat. The bottom line is that she got a seat because she's good looking and isn't a liability in the car. She's a middle of the pack driver in a middle of the pack car. I agree with your statement--if you put her in a Penske or Ganassi car, then she would get better results but wouldn't challenge for a title. Those are the best cars in the field; any good driver would and should challenge for a title in those cars. Period.
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#4 Posted on 11.7.06 1712.08
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    I agree with your statement--if you put her in a Penske or Ganassi car, then she would get better results but wouldn't challenge for a title. Those are the best cars in the field; any good driver would and should challenge for a title in those cars. Period.


Well, you left out where I said "right away". She is only a second-year driver in the IRL. She was supposed to drive in the Indy Pro Series last year but Rahal turned her one-off Indy 500 start into a full-season ride. Now, THAT probably happened because she's an attractive female, but that's not her fault. Nobody was touting her as a title threat this year, and that was before Rahal-Letterman proved to be in big trouble for '06. She's also had some bad luck in the last couple of races with yellow flags coming out right after she's pitted, so she might have lost a couple of top-ten finishes.

Rahal-Letterman has been good, but this year they are CLEARLY still behind AGR, which is a bigger problem for them because AGR is WAY behind Penske and Ganassi. I don't think she's in a much different position than Scott Speed in F1. I'm kind of sick of hearing about Speed, and he hasn't even so much as scored a point and been consistently behind his teammate, but he hadn't even put a scratch on the car until the USGP and he's still a rookie, so he's probably having a pretty successful season, all things considered.

Danica strikes me as being in the same position as Michael Vick, good (but not great) and SUPER-marketable very early, then with people wanting results to match. She's also really close to the Kasey Kahne career-path, remembering how hot he was in '04 and what crap he was last year. I think if her father/manager wanted to do her a favor he'd shut the hell up about a potential jump to NASCAR or another IRL team until it was a done deal.
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#5 Posted on 11.7.06 1935.22
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    I don't think she's in a much different position than Scott Speed in F1. I'm kind of sick of hearing about Speed, and he hasn't even so much as scored a point and been consistently behind his teammate, but he hadn't even put a scratch on the car until the USGP and he's still a rookie, so he's probably having a pretty successful season, all things considered.



The only way you could say Speed was consitently behind Liuzzi was if you count his DNFs. If you count the races where they both finished, they're 2-2. Granted Liuzzi has a single point from 8th last race, but I'd take Speed over him any day.

When I saw Montoya to nascar, I was sure it was a mistake and it should have said Indy. Though, at times he drives an F1 car like he's in a tin top.
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#6 Posted on 17.7.06 0853.39
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Huh, now there's a report saying Danica's headed to AGR.

She ran a really good race on Saturday, finishing fourth at Nashville. She kind of got some karmic payback for her bad luck with yellows and pit stops when Hornish spun and her and Dario were the only two lead lap cars that hadn't pitted yet, but she didn't get passed and I thought she was blocking effectively, even though I guess that's not allowed. You think the IRL would ever throw a black flag at Danica? Silly Dario.

Also, this year's IRL races have been DREADFULLY boring. They've got to get some variety in the chassis or engines or SOMETHING, although it's kind of cool that Penske and Ganassi had to work so hard to be competitive with Toyota-power that it's really showing off how in tunes they were with their cars that they are killing everyone since they all have Hondas. They have to get the cars passing again, though, since even the Texas-race was a snoozer.
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