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#1 Posted on 17.5.02 0359.15
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Does anyone know what Moore is up to these days. I used to love his shows, but they flipped the time slot so often I lost track of it and haven't been able to find it since.
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#2 Posted on 17.5.02 0820.40
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Yeah, the shows and stuff were great. As for the recent time, he's just had his new book, ' Stupid White Men ... and Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation!' pyublished after a spot of bother with his publishers, and he's currently got a documentary film called 'Bowling for Colombine' which looks at gun violence in America that was shown at the Cannes Film festival on yesterday (Thursday), which may or may not be in competition.

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#3 Posted on 17.5.02 0854.31
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Check out his web page: Click Here. About a year ago, he posted his theory about George W. Bush being functionally illiterate. He always proves to be entertaining at the least.

I loved it when he sent the gay men's choir to sing in front of Jessee Helms' home.
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#4 Posted on 17.5.02 1131.19
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I lost all respect for him during the Presidential election. He had some of the dumbest arguments for supporting Nader over Gore, and I just hought he was being totally irrsponsible. It was something along the lines of how the possibility of Bush creating a more conservative Supreme Court is false, as Reagan didn't do it. It just astounded me how simplistic his view was.
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#5 Posted on 17.5.02 1137.06
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    I lost all respect for him during the Presidential election. He had some of the dumbest arguments for supporting Nader over Gore, and I just hought he was being totally irrsponsible. It was something along the lines of how the possibility of Bush creating a more conservative Supreme Court is false, as Reagan didn't do it. It just astounded me how simplistic his view was.

My main problem with supporting Nader (which I did anyway) was the fact that his runningmate appeared to be...what's the word...ah yes, a COMPLETE LUNATIC.
Still preferable to the shitstorm that would have ensued if Lieberman had become Veep.
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#6 Posted on 17.5.02 1949.38
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Michael Moore... bah.

He may be an intelligent man, but he's also a sensationalist. He manages to say nothing (at times) while giving the impression he's said very much. The title of his book, "Stupid White Men," is an example. It's an easy way to pop ratings, if you will. Same with sending gay men to sing for Jesse Helms. Obviously Moore wants you to see Helms as a big, bad conservative man who stands athwart the path of human progress. Or something like that. In any event, Moore doesn't make arguments when he does things like this. He's just pulling stunts. "Oh, look at me! I'm Mr. Irreverent!" I mean, come on. It's like if I urinated on Bill Clinton and then wrote myself off as some sort of political firebrand.
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#7 Posted on 18.5.02 1829.04
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Moore's new movie is getting good reviews. Click Here to read one.

"Later in the film, Moore meets two survivors of the attack (at Columbine) , both of whom still have bullets lodged in their bodies. Together, they travel to the headquarters of Kmart, the store where the bullets were bought. The boys pull up their shirts to show executives their scars, and soon Kmart announces that within 90 days it is pulling bullets for handguns and assault weapons from its shelves."

Michael Moore rules it all. I can't wait to read the reviews the gun nuts, er, the NRA-friendly reviewers pen about this flick.

How can anyone defend having assault rifles in the hands of civilians? Mind-boggling.


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#8 Posted on 19.5.02 0134.29
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    Originally posted by Gavintzu
    Moore's new movie is getting good reviews. Click Here to read one.

    "Later in the film, Moore meets two survivors of the attack (at Columbine) , both of whom still have bullets lodged in their bodies. Together, they travel to the headquarters of Kmart, the store where the bullets were bought. The boys pull up their shirts to show executives their scars, and soon Kmart announces that within 90 days it is pulling bullets for handguns and assault weapons from its shelves."

    Michael Moore rules it all. I can't wait to read the reviews the gun nuts, er, the NRA-friendly reviewers pen about this flick.

    How can anyone defend having assault rifles in the hands of civilians? Mind-boggling.





They sell assault rifles at K-Mart?

I think this weekend I'm gonna cut my wrists with a kitchen knife, then go to Lechter's and try to get them to pull utensils from their store.
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#9 Posted on 19.5.02 0639.47
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Aw, come on now Palp. You're going to have to do better than that. If Klebold and the other lunatic had attacked the school in Columbine armed with kitchen knives, how many people do you think they would have been able to kill?

I repeat: How can anyone defend having assault rifles in the hands of civilians? Mind-boggling.


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#10 Posted on 19.5.02 1340.47
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I was just trying to make the point that ammunition, at least, can be used by law-abiding sportsmen. Your post did not make it clear where the guns were bought, only that the ammo came from K-Mart.

Where were the guns purchased?
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#11 Posted on 19.5.02 1734.24
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Assault rifle ammo is ok to sell, but the guns aren't? Color me confused.

What sportsman needs an assault rifle? Is it like Bobcat Goldwaith said? Is there some deer with a bulletproof vest and a stockpile of grenades ready to kill any hunter not armed for war?
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#12 Posted on 19.5.02 1834.36
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Do we know that the bullets weren't also functional in handguns or sporting rifles?
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#13 Posted on 19.5.02 2310.14
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Come on assault rifle bullets in a K-Mart. Look if people want this stuff legal fine, but does it have to be so easily accesible?
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#14 Posted on 19.5.02 2330.33
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Yes it does. There's too many people that I have to share the earth with anyway. Let's just let people carry guns and kill each other. Or something... it's late, I'm shutting up.

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#15 Posted on 20.5.02 0142.53
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco

    Come on assault rifle bullets in a K-Mart. Look if people want this stuff legal fine, but does it have to be so easily accesible?



My only problem here, which has yet to be addressed, is: Are these bullets peculiar to assault rifles? Do they havea more legitimate use?

McVeigh blew up the Murrah Federal Building with fertilizer. Fertilizer is still legal because it has legitimate uses. If these magic bullets that K-Mart is selling also have a legitimate use, than Michael Moore's flashy stunt with the Columbine victims was stupid.

No one here has contended that the kids got their guns from K-Mart. If they got the rifles on the black market, I really don't care where they picked up the bullets. It's like saying "Well, these terrorists got their car bombs from illegal sources, but they bought the cars at a used car lot!"
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#16 Posted on 20.5.02 1457.40
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Also never addressed was the fact that K-mart does not sell assault rifles! For that matter neither do gun stores! An assualt rifle is a rifle with both a high capacity magazine, (already illegal almost everywhere), AND witht he capabilty of automatic or burst fire (illegal everywhere in the US to my knowledge with the excpetion of liscensed collectors). That being said, if these things are illegal, then the people who own them did illegal things inorder to get their hands on them. The laws outlawing the weapons did not stop them, they simply added more criminal counts to their list of crimes. I fail to see the protective value. A criminal contemplating a violent criminal act such as murder or mass-murder is not going to bat an eyelash that he will have to go onto the black market to get his weapon of choice. "I think I will kill a hundred people today. What's that you say? The gun I need to do that with is illegal? Well shucks, maybe I will just stay home and watch Spong Bob Squarepants instead. Don't want to cross the illegal arms Rubicon do I."
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#17 Posted on 20.5.02 1815.38
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Where were the guns bought? Click Here to read the history of the guns used at Columbine.

"Dylan Klebold walked into his high school cafeteria carrying an assault pistol originally designed as a submachine gun for the white South African government. Eric Harris wielded a black semiautomatic rifle produced by an Ohio company whose owner says he just wanted to make guns for the average working man."

"The guns of Columbine were old and new. They were manufactured in three states, promoted by catalog and telemarketer, sold at small gun stores and large gun shows. But in the end, all four were sold anonymously to teenagers, no questions asked, no background checks, no purchase forms, no signatures."

The bottom line in pro-gun attitudes is that "guns don't hurt people ... people hurt people." But guns are tools. Hunting rifles are a hunter's tool. And assault rifles are a soldier's tool. It is so incomprehensible to me that America, alone among non-Third World states, would allow anyone to easily get their hands on these highly destructive tools.

Why do hunters need semi-automatic weapons with 10 round clips? They don't. Hunters hunted for centuries without them. But given the insane number of guns all over the U.S., I don't see any easy answers or solutions. Unfortunately for those massacred every few years in McDonalds/high school/former workplace shootings, Americans seem to be lying in the beds made for them.


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