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#41 Posted on 30.5.06 0840.32
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I thought it was totally awesome. I loved every minute of it.
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#42 Posted on 30.5.06 1408.12
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    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    I thought it was totally awesome. I loved every minute of it.


No offense, but allow me to use my favorite quote from Joss Whedon's ASTONISHING X-MEN by asking "What, are you fucking retarded?". I'm not insulting you personally (really...) but from your post, we obviously saw completely different films over the weekend.

As an aside, the 'cure' storyline was from issues #1 - #6, not #7 - #12 as previously stated above.

This movie sucked the hair from my ass. This was the worst sequel in the history of sequels. This shit needs to be pulled from theaters and have all prints burned in a volcano.

I asked for a fucking refund and got it!

This shit was horrible. Sure, you can argue that the comics kill of characters all the time, but this is different. Cyclops? Come on man... he died in the first reel! That's total bullshit!

This film was worse then those abortions Lucas gave us with the STAR WARS prequels.

Bryan Singer gave us two perfectly reasonable films, that while weren't exactly 'on par' with the comic version, were entertaining and actually somewhat grounded in reality. They way they are viewed... you could almost imagine the two films as 'reality based' with a mix of the old school X-Men and the Ultimate Universe X-Men.

Bret (asshole) Ratner's film, however, pretty much goes like this... "Hey, remember those two great films that came before this one. Here, look, I have the DVDs of them" Then he takes those DVDs, lays them on the ground at his feet, pulls down his pants and boxers (Yeah, he's the type of asshole to wear boxers... so am I!) and takes a huge, messy, green shit on them. He then takes the inserts from the DVDs and wipes his ass with them. Then he puts the DVDs with his crap all over them in a paper bag, comes to your home and puts the bag at your doorstep. He then lights the bag on fire and runs away, waiting for you to come out and stomp the fire out only to discover that now you have messy green shit on your shoes. Then from the side of your house, you hear some asshole laughing out loud screaming for the world to hear "Hey look at the shit I made... and now he's gone and stepped in my shit! HAHAHAHAH!"

I fucking swear to every God in the universe, When I get to California next month, I'm gonna hunt that asshole down and key his fucking car and spit on him.

This fucking movie is an insult to me, comic fans around the world, fans of the first two films, Bryan Singer... shit, I'm sure there's more, but just thinking back that I fucking paid my hard earned money to see that afterbirth of a film... it fucking pisses me fucking off.

I just... FUCK! I feel like hitting someone, and I abhor violence.

(The above was very well thought out in my head, but I don't think it all came out the way I thought it would.)

And again, apologies to Parts Unknown... you just happen to have said what, evidently, millions of people in America are saying, thanks to this fucking shit movie having made $120 million over the weekend... at that sucks even more knowing that this movie is making MORE MONEY then the first two, which were so much better this this shit. It's really fucking sad...
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#43 Posted on 30.5.06 1412.19
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Should I even bother asking why you didn't like the movie, or are you just content to take 300 words to say nothing?
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#44 Posted on 30.5.06 1440.26
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I don't wish to put words into Cerebus' mouth here, but it's pretty easily guessed why the movie pissed him off so much. It'd be from the movie insulting any and all fans of the X-Men, whether the comics or movies or both, by...


Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
Killing Cyclops about 10 minutes into the movie (when he is one of two characters who absolutely DEFINE the X-Men), Xavier dying(Xavier being the second of those two characters), the ball being dropped with the Phoenix storyline (also thus rendering Xavier's death pointless), horrible pacing, misuse of characters while throwing too many onto the screen, and just in general an unsatisfying storyline that is derived from nothing in the X-mythos.


(edited by BoromirMark on 30.5.06 1541)
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#45 Posted on 30.5.06 1443.20
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The Phoenix deal wasn't as central as I had hoped for, and the Cyclops stuff was out of nowhere and pretty pointless. But the movie as a whole was an entertaining piece of superhero film. People had cool powers and they used them in cool action sequences. Magneto and Wolverine (the two stars of all three movies in my opinion) rocked as usual.

I don't see what the big deal is that it deviated from "true X-men storylines." Pretend you went into the movie knowing only the bare essentials of who and what the X-men are. Now you are in the shoes of probably 75% of the film's audience. Is the movie still entertaining? It sure was for me.

Movie studios aren't adapting comics into films in order to create cinematic masterpieces which fully capture every little detail of the books. They are trying to make money and appeal to as many people as possible with an explosive joyride of a movie. So just sit back, turn off the brain, and enjoy the special effects.

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#46 Posted on 30.5.06 1446.11
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    Originally posted by Cerebus

    Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
    Cyclops? Come on man... he died in the first reel! That's total bullshit!



Bravo Cerebus. Everybody else in this thread has been decent enough to spoiler tag what might be considered a major plot point EXCEPT for you. It's not like the fucking movie has been out for a month. It has been FIVE DAYS.

I don't know if you were lazy or just enjoying the view from your high horse to not notice that there are people in this world who do not feel it necessary to go see a film on opening weekend, even if they are fans of the series.

Once again, thanks.
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#47 Posted on 30.5.06 1559.37
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    Originally posted by David Adams
    Bravo Cerebus. Everybody else in this thread has been decent enough to spoiler tag what might be considered a major plot point EXCEPT for you. It's not like the fucking movie has been out for a month. It has been FIVE DAYS.

    I don't know if you were lazy or just enjoying the view from your high horse to not notice that there are people in this world who do not feel it necessary to go see a film on opening weekend, even if they are fans of the series.

    Once again, thanks.
Hey, that's uncalled for. Spoiler tags should ONLY be considered for stuff that HASN'T AIRED YET. This movie's been out a whole weekend and as far as I'm concerned, anything posted after opening night is fair game. If YOU haven't seen it, YOU get what YOU deserve when YOU click on a thread with a title of the movie YOU haven't seen yet. Don't take it out on others; take your lumps and remember this for the next time.

(This also goes for West Coasters who demand spoiler tags on shows that have already aired, but haven't aired in their time zone yet - hey, dummy, DON'T CLICK ON THE THREAD UNTIL YOU SEE THE SHOW if you want to stay spoiler-free. I repeat this a lot but nobody seems to read it, so sorry if you've seen me say this a dozen times already.)
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#48 Posted on 30.5.06 1713.50
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Plus most of us had the Cyclops death spoiled for us by TheVile1 months and months ago. Although truthfully that made it less traumatic (but still super-shitty).
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#49 Posted on 30.5.06 1758.21
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    Originally posted by skorpio17
    The plot of the cure is lifted from Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men.


And the early '90s X-Men cartoon.
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#50 Posted on 31.5.06 0301.47
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Plus most of us had the Cyclops death spoiled for us by TheVile1 months and months ago. Although truthfully that made it less traumatic (but still super-shitty).


If you want to blame someone, blame Fox. It's not my fault they are petty assholes and wanted to punish Marsden.

It's not like you couldn't know from the trailers seeing how they replaced what would be crucial Jean/Cyclops moments with WOLVERINE.
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#51 Posted on 31.5.06 0921.53
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Plus most of us had the Cyclops death spoiled for us by TheVile1 months and months ago. Although truthfully that made it less traumatic (but still super-shitty).


    If you want to blame someone, blame Fox. It's not my fault they are petty assholes and wanted to punish Marsden.
He wasn't available for the entirety of the filming because he signed on for "Superman Returns." I consider it more of a way to explain the character's absence, and doubt that Executives at Fox had a meeting in order to decide exactly how they were going to punish the guy who played Cyclops. Hell, if anything, the folks at Fox and the Producers were most likely very appreciative that he agreed to appear in the film at all (he didn't have to do that you know).


Edit - and for the record, I absolutely loathed this movie.

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 31.5.06 1022)
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#52 Posted on 31.5.06 1034.00
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There are lots of things that I dislike about this movie, but the unfortunate circumstance sleading to Cyclops' exit aren't the fault of the movie-makers. The cheapness of his death is, however. They could've made a LOT more of it than they did.

Then again, Cyke's kinda gotten the shaft since day one of the franchise. In X-MEN he was the uptight wiener to Logan's cool asskicker, in X2 he vanished then got used as a puppet, then cried a little, and in X3 he snuffed it off-screen. The shocking mistreatment of the character isn't confined to this movie.
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#53 Posted on 31.5.06 1210.45
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I liked it better than the first one, but not as well as X2. I do wish it was longer, because Colossus, Beast, and Angel were all underused. I guess Halle had to get her screen time (not that that is a bad thing). They may as well have killed Cyclops, he hasn't done shit in any of the movies. The problem with the movies is the same as with the comics. Too many mutants to keep up with. All 3 movies have focused on Wolverine as the main character, so they may as well just make a solo movie for him, because there is just not enough screen time for all of these guys to develop their characters. But it was a fun, well made, well acted move. Can't ask for much more than that.
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#54 Posted on 31.5.06 1527.23
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    Originally posted by Alex
    Should I even bother asking why you didn't like the movie, or are you just content to take 300 words to say nothing?


Ok... you asked for. Here's what makes me feel that this film is the worst film I've ever seen. Fuck, Uwe Boll could have done this shit better, and I'm sure you all know how I feel about that fucking abomination...

Oh yeah... SPOILERS! (Happy?)

Shit, where to start... uh... PLOT? Ok, as a comic fan... you know the person that these films are made for, this film was fucking stupid. It takes the single best known story line from the series and condenses it down to a fucking minor sub-plot. Yeah, the Dark Phoenix Saga(DFS) is treated like an after thought in this film. The source material was possibly the single best X-Men story to date. Any fan of the series knows it and few have disliked it. Why the fuck would any one with half a brain cell fuck that up? Seriously... What the fuck were these people thinking? Then they take another well known storyline, Cure, from the recent best selling X-Series ASTONISHING X-MEN... and fuck it all to shit as well. It had nothing to do with 'Worthington Industries'. It had nothing to do with Magneto losing his powers, no major characters died in it. What this 'plot' felt like, was like having some guy off the street go into a comic book shop, randomly buy 5 X-Men comics and take those issues and devise a plot from them. This guy doesn't know the characters or really anything about the series at all, just writes a movie based on those few 'funny books' he picked up. Bret Ratner doesn't know shit about the X-Men. Fuck I'd be shocked to find out if he'd even watched the first two films, because this film certainly doesn't feel like it. It feels like he was just some asshole off the street who needed a job. Anyway, now that you've got a story that fucks up two perfectly good stories what do you do to show that you really ain't got shit and you need to cover for this... you throw in special effects. In fact, you throw in more effect shots then the first two films had COMBINED! That's what you do! Did Chuck Austen write this shit? That's All I can imagine, cause he's the only X-writer I can think of who completely ignores past stories and in fact makes it a point NOT to know or care what has happened before he takes over a comic book.

Well, the effects looked nice, but what was the fucking point? Why bring in Angel's character? What did he do that was so important to the storyline? Nothing, that's what, he had wings so it was something to take your mind off there being no storyline. This is also why they threw in so many other characters that went to waste like Calisto, Juggernaut, Rogue, Beast, Cyclops, Mystique, Colossus, Jubilee, Siryn, Psylock, Omega Red... all of these characters had less then ten minutes of screen time. Filler for the lack of a coherent story. Wasted screen time and MY time. In the first two films, Singer threw in little things like Shadowcat running into the classroom and Colossus busting threw the wall and Gambit's name on the computer screen, but as I said, these were LITTLE thing for the comic geeks to cream over. Here, those 'little things' turn to shit because it made no sense to waste all these characters just to have a big fucking fight scene to take your mind off the fact that there wasn't much story. I will concede that the Bridge scene was kinda cool, but totally pointless. It was like the makers of the film were saying "Here look at the shiny object while I ass rape you for your money."

Halle Berry sucks. She can't fucking act her way out of a paper bag. She has two facial expressions and her voice comes out sounding like she's reading cue card and has bad eye sight. I can't fucking believe that she keeps asking for more screen time in these films, and they fucking give it to her... and she fucks up her scenes. Fucking unbelievable. Famke Jansen was pointless as well. They killed her off in X2, with the 'hint' that the third film would be the DFS... but thanks to Bret fucking Ratner, that got thrown out cause he doesn't know shit. Janssen just stood there in her few scenes looking like a lost New York puppy in China. Kelsey Grammer look the part, but he sounded like Kelsey Grammer. Sideshow Bob and Frasier are NOT Beast. If I had only seen production stills of him, I'd have thought he looked cool, but on screen, he comes out being as bad as fucking Jar Jar Binks was in Phantom Menace...Yeah, that's BAD!

This film also lacked logic and common sense. The movie going public is introduced to Sentinels and the Danger Room... but neither are explained what so ever. Just "Hey look, a magic room that makes shit for you to fuck up!". They couldn't at least have a sign on the door saying what it was? The huge battle at the end is moronic. Why would the most powerful villain in the film need a scrub like Pyro to set cars on fire for him? Should I even mention that later shots show the same cars still on the bridge and not on fire... Why bother! It turned from bright daylight to nighttime in a matter of seconds when they got to Alcatraz, but this is easily blamed on a fucking retarded director not knowing what the fuck he's doing. Wolverine killing Jean was another spit in the face of all comic fans because in the original story, he couldn't do it. Why fuck with that?

Lastly, this film lacked emotion. Cyclops was killed off screen giving the thought that no one gives a shit about his character. Jean kills Professor X like he wasn't a father figure to her. Jean's resurrection into the Phoenix as a lifeless zombie makes no sense. Wolverine spouting out one liners like he was Jackie the joke man on crack made his character like a robot. Magneto, a holocaust survivor, is reduced to a petty hack in this film, taking away any and all feelings the audience might have had for him. He allows Mystique to take 'the bullet' for him and just walks away.

This movie fails on every level imaginable. This was a waste of guitar pick and damnit, I don't even play the guitar!

Fucking hell bullshit!

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#55 Posted on 31.5.06 1756.44
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Ok, I finally got to see it. I never got to see the hey day of the X-Men in comics because I'm to young yet I do know the stories and the 90's cartoon series that caught me up plus some fandom sites, people, and general public interest. I liked the first X-Men and the second one.

This one left me a little stunned at first but after reading all the comments here and finding I missed something I'm no to upset as I originally was going to be. I agree with the Phoenix plot being tacked on but I loved the way the described with out the alien scenario.

Love how Magneto shows just how cold he really is when Mystique loses her powers. Also his power was great...the Golden Gate Bridge thing might have been for theatrics but it made new see exactly how powerful and showily at the same time he was. Also love how he figures out may be he shouldn't have pushed Jean Gray. "What have I done?"

Logan/Wolverine, as many here have stated, you could build a franchise of this character. Everybody knows someone who's loner/bad ass.

If there is an X4 I'm game on it.
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#56 Posted on 31.5.06 2013.33
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    Originally posted by Cerebus

    Ok, as a comic fan... you know the person that these films are made for, this film was fucking stupid.



Suggesting that the X-men movies are made for comic fans is akin to suggesting that WWE storylines are written for Internet wrestling fans.

These films aren't made for any group more specific than those people who are willing and able to take the time and spend the money to go to the movie theater. This film and the two before it may have been inspired by an existing body of work (or brand, if you prefer), but never so much as to inconvenience the spectacle.

I actually plan to see X-3 in the theater after waiting for DVD on the first one and not having seen the second. I expect I'll enjoy it quite thoroughly, but I don't expect it to be fulfilling in any meaningful way; if I do happen to find fulfillment it will be as a human being, not as an X-men. I'm really only looking for 90+ minutes of quality suspension of disbelief and whizz-bang special effects and I'm pretty sure it'll deliver on that.

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#57 Posted on 31.5.06 2102.07
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I'm embarrassed to have seen the same movie as Cerebus.

It is people like that who ruin the movie going experience for people like me. Whine whine whine.

Edited cuz I should probably explain myself. Spoilers for those who still care:

>>Ok, as a comic fan... you know the person that these films are made for, this film was fucking stupid.<<

I'd say the average member of the movie going public is no longer a comic reader, so this is a silly assumption to make. Especially given how the first two X-Men films were recieved. This may be true of the graphic novels to date, but not the comics movies.

>>It takes the single best known story line from the series and condenses it down to a fucking minor sub-plot.<<

Best known to...who exactly? I'll admit that I haven't read the comics in a few (several) years, but I'd say that I personally am far more familiar with the Apocalypse and Wolverine/Sabertooth stories, and I know the people I went with weren't familar with any of them.

>>Seriously... What the fuck were these people thinking?<<

That sometimes the straight comic writing doesn't translate well into movie form?

>>Did Chuck Austen write this shit?<<

Who?

>>Why bring in Angel's character? What did he do that was so important to the storyline?<<

Admittedly they didn't spend a whole lot of time with it, but it showed an interesting perspective on some of the tension behind the creation of the cure, and it's ultimate effects.

>>This is also why they threw in so many other characters that went to waste like Calisto, Juggernaut, Rogue, Beast, Cyclops, Mystique, Colossus, Jubilee, Siryn, Psylock, Omega Red... all of these characters had less then ten minutes of screen time.<<

While I admit that I wasn't in the theatre with a stopwatch, I know for a fact that at the very least Beast and Juggernaut were on the screen for at least ten minutes, and that Colossus, Mystique, Rogue and Cyclops all played large parts in the overall plotline.

>>but as I said, these were LITTLE thing for the comic geeks to cream over.<<

And the movies should all...pander to you?

>>Here, those 'little things' turn to shit because it made no sense to waste all these characters just to have a big fucking fight scene to take your mind off the fact that there wasn't much story.<<

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but a movie has 2 hours to tell a plot, and thus cannot spend fourty minutes expounding on each and every character. But if you're going to do a big fight scene, you might as well do it up right and have a bunch of people, some even vaugely recognizable in there. It's not like a comic book where you can spend 30 issues telling one plot (at $2 a pop). Even still, I think the cartoon series was better at plotting the storylines than a lot of the comics (at least when I was reading them....)

>>"Here look at the shiny object while I ass rape you for your money."<<

If you go to the matinee, it's only $4.50.

>>Halle Berry sucks. She can't fucking act her way out of a paper bag.<<

I won't really disagree with you.

>>Kelsey Grammer look the part, but he sounded like Kelsey Grammer. Sideshow Bob and Frasier are NOT Beast.<<

He sounded quite a bit like the version of "Beast" from the cartoon which was the vibe they were going for. What would you rather he sounded like? I could make the point that Xavier sounded a lot like Captain Picard and Magneto sounded quite a bit like Gandolf, but then again, characters often sound quite a bit like the actors who are playing them.

>>This film also lacked logic and common sense.<<

So do the comics.

>>The movie going public is introduced to Sentinels and the Danger Room... but neither are explained what so ever. Just "Hey look, a magic room that makes shit for you to fuck up!".<<

I thought this movie was supposed to be made for comic book fans? And even so, I think most of the movie going public is at least vaguely familiar with the concept of virtual reality and training simulators in a science fiction environment (or dare I say, the holodeck?), and the concept of giant robots isn't exactly a Marvel invention, I hate to say.

>>They couldn't at least have a sign on the door saying what it was?<<

Yes, because a sign that said "Danger Room" would have explained it all. Perhaps it should have said, "OMG! Those guys were in a combat simulator called the danger room and they were fighting robots called 'Sentinals'." They could have kept the camera tight on there for a few minutes just to make sure people got it.

>>The huge battle at the end is moronic. Why would the most powerful villain in the film need a scrub like Pyro to set cars on fire for him?<<

I thought in the comic that Magneto has always surrounded himself with schlubs to do things for him. It's the old Cobra Commander syndrom, if the guy was so fucking great as he's made out to be, he would rule the world by now. I mean there's so much metal on the planet, why hasn't he just killed everybody off by now?

>>Should I even mention that later shots show the same cars still on the bridge and not on fire... Why bother!<<

OMG! A continuity error in a movie! I'm stunned! Shocked and appalled!

>>Wolverine killing Jean was another spit in the face of all comic fans because in the original story, he couldn't do it. Why fuck with that?<<

Uh, because this story is better. And it doesn't involve having to go another four fucking hours playing dollies when it's clearly time for the movie to end.

>>Lastly, this film lacked emotion. Cyclops was killed off screen giving the thought that no one gives a shit about his character.<<

I don't. Never did. In the movies or in the comics.

>>Magneto, a holocaust survivor, is reduced to a petty hack in this film, taking away any and all feelings the audience might have had for him. He allows Mystique to take 'the bullet' for him and just walks away.<<

He's. The. Villain. Not only that, but he let her go because it suited his cause. She wasn't a mutant anymore, what was he going to do, let her traipse along with him?

>>This was a waste of guitar pick and damnit, I don't even play the guitar!<<

What?

And I really don't understand all the comic fan hate for this anyway, when Marvel apparenly pulls this shit all the time with multiple brand relaunches every few years, characters occasionally dying off and then reappearing ten or twelve issues down the road, and seemingly more problems than even the movie ever had.

I stopped reading the comics for a number of reasons, namely because they were too expensive and because a lot of them had become terribly convoluted. A quick search says there are fully four separet X-Men series currently running (along with a number of spinoffs).

But I guess, whatever. If you go to a movie theatre expecting a comic book, you're no doubt going to be disappointed, and I'm sorry you were.

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#58 Posted on 31.5.06 2144.44
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Sorry Cerebrus, but reading your rant all I could think of was Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons and how he might say "Worst. Movie. Ever".
You must have HATED "Fantastic Four".
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#59 Posted on 31.5.06 2153.35
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    Originally posted by dwaters
    You must have HATED "Fantastic Four".


Who DIDN'T hate Fantastic Four? That movie had an entirely different set of problems, the least of which was that it was a snoozefest.

Like I said, I loathe X-Men 3 as a COMIC fan, but as a MOVIE fan, it just came off horribly flat, which is something you can't say about the last two X-Men films. It had it's moments, but it can't touch the first two movies in terms of quality. Whereas Singer focused on quality storytelling, Ratner seemed stricken with A.D.D. and an uncontrollable urge to create overblown special effects.

I relate with Cerebus in terms that X-Men 3 is a total strikeout with fans loyal to the X-Men comic book franchise. But as a movie, it's definitely NOT a winner and could very well pale in comparison to Superman Returns, the other big superhero film of the summer.

That remains to be seen, though.
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#60 Posted on 31.5.06 2251.25
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    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by dwaters
      You must have HATED "Fantastic Four".


    Who DIDN'T hate Fantastic Four?
I actually liked Fantastic Four. It wasn't a great movie, but it was entertaining. I went to see it in theatres, and I'll probably see the next one when it's released.

With all comics movies, there will be two discerning opinions: those who follow the comics, it's canon, and storylines with a magnifying glass, and point out the plot errors...and there are those who enjoy them for what they area.

I know this board wasn't around when Batman came along in 1989...but I could have imagined the outcry when they had the wrong man kill off Bruce Wayne's parents (Napier as opposed to Joe Chill). For me, it didn't matter, because it was part of the plot, and I enjoyed the movie regardless. However, to some people who follow the Dark Knight in print, I would imagine that it was a glaring plot hole that hurt the canon of the movie.

I'd like to see people critique this movie for being a movie, not for screwing up any plot lines from the comic series. As a non-comics reader, I don't know the name of the storyline, where everything gets changed around and whatever, but maybe kind of treat it like that: a storyline with the same characters, but different world, or alternate universe.

For the record, I haven't seen X3 yet, but I'm planning on it. If for anything, I've seen the first two in theatres, and after seeing such a wide array of critiques here, it's piqued my interest even more.

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