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#21 Posted on 30.5.06 2106.10
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FYI, guys...the Brewers were moved into the NL back in the late 90's for one big reason: $$$.

Bud Selig, who turned the Crew over to his daughter, Wendy Selig-Prieb (p'tooey!), prior to taking the Commissioner's job, wanted to move Milwaukee back into the National League to stir up fan interest. He was banking on older (and now some dead) fans remembering the Milwaukee Braves' old NL matchups against the Dodgers, Giants, Cardinals, and he KNEW he...er, Wendy'd make money on Brewers-Cubs series. (Some say that when the Braves moved to Atlanta, stranded Wisconsin baseball fans looked to the nearest NL team...the Cubs; and that's why there's so many d*mn Cubbie fans up here.)

But now the Crew, who are actually turning halfway good under new ownership, are making bank from selling the new home Sunday alternate unis...very reminiscent of the '82 gear the Crew won an AL pennant in.

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#22 Posted on 31.5.06 0354.55
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    Originally posted by jfkfc
    If baseball is trying to make the sport better, why not find a way to force teams to either improve their teams or sell? If I can't afford the upkeep on a Porche, I better stick to a Hyundai, and I damn sure wouldn't be allowed to either race the Porches or park in their lot. If it all means getting around to a hard cap, so be it. Even as a Yankee fan, I can certainly realize that a $200 million payroll doesn't buy a title. With interleague play, it's not a novelty anymore, even if its only 15 games each year. I'd enjoy seeing an interleague series continuously, myself. I mean, until a few years later when THAT got old, too...


I couldn't agree more that maybe the reason the same few teams have been dominating for so long, and so many other teams have gone years without approaching the playoffs, is because there's no way small-market teams can begin to afford a $200 million payroll. Put in a hard cap, and tell the Yankees and Red Sox to quit their bitchin'.
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#23 Posted on 31.5.06 0623.21
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Originally posted by jfkfc
      If baseball is trying to make the sport better, why not find a way to force teams to either improve their teams or sell? If I can't afford the upkeep on a Porche, I better stick to a Hyundai, and I damn sure wouldn't be allowed to either race the Porches or park in their lot. If it all means getting around to a hard cap, so be it. Even as a Yankee fan, I can certainly realize that a $200 million payroll doesn't buy a title. With interleague play, it's not a novelty anymore, even if its only 15 games each year. I'd enjoy seeing an interleague series continuously, myself. I mean, until a few years later when THAT got old, too...


    I couldn't agree more that maybe the reason the same few teams have been dominating for so long, and so many other teams have gone years without approaching the playoffs, is because there's no way small-market teams can begin to afford a $200 million payroll. Put in a hard cap, and tell the Yankees and Red Sox to quit their bitchin'.








6 different teams have won the World Series in the last 6 years, so it has not been single team dominance this decade. Arizona has been built, won a title, destroyed and rebuilt. Marlins have been built, won a title, destroyed, rebuilt, won a title, destroyed and on the way to being rebuilt. The Royals have put an old team on the field that sucks. Might be poor ownership/management in cities like Pittsburgh and Kansas City that has prevented those teams from being competetive in divisions without the big spenders.
As for a cap: I doubt Red Sox ownership would be against it. They'll still charge the highest price in baseball for tickets, bang out the ballpark everynight, profit from the cash cow that is NESN, make boatloads on merchandise and still make $200 million over the next 10 years in local RADIO rights. That would be additional money to pay off debt service/pay dividends to the partnership group that owns the team rather than going to the players.
Players Association will not agree to a cap, and if the owners decide amongst themselves to cap the amount spent, the word collusion and billions in damages in the eventual lawsuit will occur.

(edited by redsoxnation on 31.5.06 0727)
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#24 Posted on 1.6.06 1857.48
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    6 different teams have won the World Series in the last 6 years, so it has not been single team dominance this decade.


True. I think some people see teams like the Yankees and Braves make the playoffs every year and it seems like some teams win every year and some lose every year but like you said there have been 6 different teams WIN the World Series the past six years. Also over the past five years all 10 participants in the World Series were different. 17 different teams have been in the World Series since '90 and 22 different teams have made the playoffs since the Division Series was added. Out of the 8 that haven't made the playoffs since '95 there's Toronto and Philly who were both good right before that and have had some good years mixed in. Washington who hopefully their move to Washington will help them. Milwaukee seems to be on the rise and Detroit looks like they could be a playoff team this year. So again we're back to the Royals, Devil Rays and Pirates being the big stinkers.

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#25 Posted on 2.6.06 0120.49
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    Originally posted by Gugs
    No. Perfect world, the Rays and Marlins get wiped off the map.


Yeah, let's get rid of a team that's won the World Series more times than the Indians, Astros, Rangers, Padres, Mariners, Nationals, Devil Rays and Rockies. Combined.
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#26 Posted on 2.6.06 0128.43
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    Originally posted by Crimedog
      Originally posted by Gugs
      No. Perfect world, the Rays and Marlins get wiped off the map.


    Yeah, let's get rid of a team that's won the World Series more times than the Indians, Astros, Rangers, Padres, Mariners, Nationals, Devil Rays and Rockies. Combined.


Why not? They have an embarassingly small payroll, no fan support, and no place to move the franchise. The year they won the second WS, they finished 15th out of 16th in the NL in attendance. It's a bad situation, and if they do contract, the only team that should go before them is the D-Rays.
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#27 Posted on 4.6.06 1451.39
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Originally posted by jfkfc
      If baseball is trying to make the sport better, why not find a way to force teams to either improve their teams or sell? If I can't afford the upkeep on a Porche, I better stick to a Hyundai, and I damn sure wouldn't be allowed to either race the Porches or park in their lot. If it all means getting around to a hard cap, so be it. Even as a Yankee fan, I can certainly realize that a $200 million payroll doesn't buy a title. With interleague play, it's not a novelty anymore, even if its only 15 games each year. I'd enjoy seeing an interleague series continuously, myself. I mean, until a few years later when THAT got old, too...


    I couldn't agree more that maybe the reason the same few teams have been dominating for so long, and so many other teams have gone years without approaching the playoffs, is because there's no way small-market teams can begin to afford a $200 million payroll. Put in a hard cap, and tell the Yankees and Red Sox to quit their bitchin'.
Actually, I didn't post the idea regarding MLB having a hard cap. My point is that these owners in KC and Pittsburgh have given their fans crap for too long now, and as the saying goes, "shit or get off the pot." If a guy can't afford for his team to have a competitive payroll, sell the team. It can't be just the payroll, or how can Oakland be in the mix every year and dump players every year, coming right back next season with great young players? Those teams should do SOMETHING. Sell, contract, or move, no matter how many titles were there at any time.
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#28 Posted on 4.6.06 1522.13
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Considering the Marlins payroll is less that what Manny an A-Rod make a year, and there is some revenue sharing in MLB, you'd think at least a salary floot would be a good idea? According to this article, one was proposed but the Players Association rejected it. Their reasoning was that it would eventually lead to a cap.
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