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#1 Posted on 22.5.06 0257.59
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Ok, I"m not sure this deserves a thread but I couldn't figure out a way to fit it into some other conversation. I was checking the scores today and it just seems strange to have 14 interleauge games and then one all National league game. I notice this every year but have never asked about it. I know that there are only 14 interleague games because there are only 14 AL teams but why are there only 14 AL teams? I know the Brewers moved from the AL to the NL in the last alignment but why? Why didn't they leave the Brewers in the AL so both leagues would have 14 each? (I believe there were no D'backs and D Rays at the time) I don't know it just bugs me. It seems unnatural that one division has six teams, one has four and the rest have five.
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#2 Posted on 22.5.06 0557.36
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The Brewers switched to the NL the same year the DBacks and DRays came into existence. I forget the details, but I know for sure one of the new teams did not want to be in the opposite league. And it's 4AM, so I'm extremely fuzzier on any further details.
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#3 Posted on 22.5.06 0710.45
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Brewers moved to the NL in '98 when the D'Backs and Devil Rays entered the league, as prior to that it was a 14-14 split. Also in that move, Detroit moved from the AL East to the AL Central, replacing the Brewers in the division while Tampa took their spot in the AL East. Reason for the need to go 14-16 with 30 teams rather than 15-15 is because baseball wants to keep interleague special, and thus within a confined time period. If it is an odd numbered league, there must be interleague continuously during the season, or else teams will have multiple off days in a row due to the odd number of teams in each league. As for the AL West having only 4 teams: Without flipping leagues, only other team that makes even a remote amount of sense would be the Royals. Perfect world, the Marlins move out west and flip leagues to the AL West, Tampa goes to the NL East and the AL East becomes a 4 team division, since Tampa will never have nearly the resources to compete where they currently are.
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#4 Posted on 22.5.06 0914.46
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Perfect world, the Marlins move out west and flip leagues to the AL West, Tampa goes to the NL East and the AL East becomes a 4 team division, since Tampa will never have nearly the resources to compete where they currently are.


No. Perfect world, the Rays and Marlins get wiped off the map.
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#5 Posted on 22.5.06 1050.14
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Rays, Marlins, Royals, and Pitt. Eliminate them all. Then take the players on their Major league roster and hold a draft. And then do the same for the minor league roster. Less teams, more talent on the remaining teams.
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#6 Posted on 22.5.06 1150.02
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I've always thought a good solution was moving the Rockies to the AL West. With all the homeruns and balloned ERAs they would fit right in with the AL. Then move Houston to the NL West. The Rangers are in the AL West so why not the Astros.

I like the idea of just getting rid of the bad teams too though.
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#7 Posted on 22.5.06 1456.15
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The Dbacks didn't want to join the AL because potential rivalries with Giants and Dodgers. Because teams play almost everyday, you couldn't have two 15 team leagues, there would have to be an inter league game every day.
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#8 Posted on 22.5.06 1802.40
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    Originally posted by Wpob
    Rays, Marlins, Royals, and Pitt. Eliminate them all. Then take the players on their Major league roster and hold a draft. And then do the same for the minor league roster. Less teams, more talent on the remaining teams.


I could care less if they contracted the Pirates, but I don't know why they'd be targeted now. Eight years ago, sure, but these days I'm pretty sure they have decent attendance* and turn a profit**. It's a loser organization but I don't think you contract teams just for sucking.

* especially for a team with one positive season in 13 years.

** pocket the revenue sharing $ instead of reinvesting it to make the team better, apparently.
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#9 Posted on 22.5.06 1813.05
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Wpob
      Rays, Marlins, Royals, and Pitt. Eliminate them all. Then take the players on their Major league roster and hold a draft. And then do the same for the minor league roster. Less teams, more talent on the remaining teams.


    I could care less if they contracted the Pirates, but I don't know why they'd be targeted now. Eight years ago, sure, but these days I'm pretty sure they have decent attendance* and turn a profit**. It's a loser organization but I don't think you contract teams just for sucking.

    * especially for a team with one positive season in 13 years.

    ** pocket the revenue sharing $ instead of reinvesting it to make the team better, apparently.


My only issue with this is my two rules for league contraction:

A.) No charter member teams
2.) No World Champs

The Marlins and Royals are (2) and the Pirates are both (A) and (2). The D-Rays, however, are toast. Who else could go is a good question.

I like the NL Central being overloaded; having a first division and second division like the leagues pre-69 is mega cool.
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#10 Posted on 22.5.06 1829.53
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    Originally posted by PeterStork
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        Originally posted by Wpob
        Rays, Marlins, Royals, and Pitt. Eliminate them all. Then take the players on their Major league roster and hold a draft. And then do the same for the minor league roster. Less teams, more talent on the remaining teams.


      I could care less if they contracted the Pirates, but I don't know why they'd be targeted now. Eight years ago, sure, but these days I'm pretty sure they have decent attendance* and turn a profit**. It's a loser organization but I don't think you contract teams just for sucking.

      * especially for a team with one positive season in 13 years.

      ** pocket the revenue sharing $ instead of reinvesting it to make the team better, apparently.


    My only issue with this is my two rules for league contraction:

    A.) No charter member teams
    2.) No World Champs

    The Marlins and Royals are (2) and the Pirates are both (A) and (2). The D-Rays, however, are toast. Who else could go is a good question.

    I like the NL Central being overloaded; having a first division and second division like the leagues pre-69 is mega cool.


Points well taken. But as a Floridian, I have been to both Tropicana Field and Dolphins Stadium on several occasions. Both stadiums seat over 40,000 for baseball. I have never seen either filled beyond one-third of that.

You can make a case for the Marlins staying due to the rising Hispanic influence in baseball and that the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach metro is largely latin-influenced. But, Tampa Bay was a bad idea from the start. When your dome is in need of repairs by the time the team takes the field, something is wrong and it's not the orange juice.
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#11 Posted on 22.5.06 1920.51
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Well, as long as we're tossing out "perfect" solutions that have absolutely no chance of ever happening in the real world, allow me to share my thoughts. First, forget about contraction; IMHO there's plenty of talent out there. People who say that the increase in teams has diluted the pool of major league pitching are in the same class as the people who thirty-to-forty years ago were saying that the increase in teams had diluted the pool of major league hitters. More importantly, there are still plenty of cities out there willing to shell out whatever it takes to get a Major League Baseball team. So as for me, I'd add two more teams. I'd put one expansion team in the New York Metro area (Brooklyn, perhaps; or maybe the part of Manhattan where they were talking about putting a new home for the Jets; maybe even out in the Meadowlands, which already has more pro teams than New York City proper does) and another in the South (Nashville looks like a good, growing spot; Carolina is a possibility as well, as is San Antonio; New Orleans could be a longshot once it gets rebuilt; maybe even throw Puerto Rico in the mix).

Thirty two teams would let me re-align Major League Baseball to four eight team leagues, setup as follows:


EAST

Cincinnati
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Expansion Team (NY Metro)
NY Mets
NY Yankees
Boston


SOUTH

Baltimore
Washington DC
Atlanta
Florida (Miami)
Tampa Bay
Texas (Dallas)
Houston
Expansion Team


CENTRAL

Detroit
Toronto
Minnesota
Milwaukee
Chicago White Sox
Chicago Cubs
St Louis
Kansas City


WEST

Colorado
Arizona
LA Angels
LA Dodgers
San Diego
Oakland
San Francisco
Seattle


There you have it; major leagues with eight teams each playing a 154 game schedule, just the way The Good Lord intended. No more inter-league games; the only way you would face a team not in your league would be if you made it to the post season. Oh, and the post season would be for winners only; just the four pennant winners would advance; no more wildcards. At least, that's the way it would be in my "perfect" world.
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#12 Posted on 22.5.06 2137.29
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    Originally posted by Downtown Bookie
    Oh, and the post season would be for winners only; just the four pennant winners would advance; no more wildcards. At least, that's the way it would be in my "perfect" world.


Perfect in a baseball purist kinda way I assume?
No way is there a maximum of 21 playoff games. TV execs would die. Team owners would be appalled.
Who plays who in your playoffs? Do you have East Vs South and Central Vs West? Seedings?
Do you think Cubs/Sox and Yanks/Mets or Yanks/BoSox every other week is a good thing?
The West is UGLY. : )
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#13 Posted on 23.5.06 0006.05
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I love the idea of a baseball team in the south, other than Braves, however I'm afraid it's not going to succeed unless there is an oval shaped ball. I could be wrong though, how does the Nashville hockey team do in attendance?
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#14 Posted on 23.5.06 0513.26
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    Originally posted by Merc
    Do you think Cubs/Sox and Yanks/Mets or Yanks/BoSox every other week is a good thing?
Ask any New York oldtimer (there are still a few around) who remembers when the Giants were in Manhattan and the Dodgers were in Brooklyn if baseball was better or worse when those two teams would play each other twenty-two times a year. If you find one who says he prefers baseball's current setup, odds are he doesn't like apple pie either.

Purist? You betcha. Which reminds me, while I'm at it, it's about time the DH was put out of its misery. Just take it out behind the barn and be done with it.
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#15 Posted on 23.5.06 0854.44
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I think that baseball should consider contracting teams that suck incredibly hard for a certain amount of time. Except for 2003 (83-79), the Royals haven't been over .500 since the strike season, averaging 68 wins. How fair is that to both of the KC fans?

A "suck-breakdown":
Royals: 11 seasons, 1 season +.500, 68 win avg
Devil Rays: 8 seasons, 0 seasons +.500, 65 win avg
Rockies: 13 seasons, 3 seasons +.500, 73 win avg
Pirates: 13 seasons, 0 seasons +.500, 69 win avg
Tigers: 12 seasons, 0 seasons +.500, 64 win avg

If baseball is trying to make the sport better, why not find a way to force teams to either improve their teams or sell? If I can't afford the upkeep on a Porche, I better stick to a Hyundai, and I damn sure wouldn't be allowed to either race the Porches or park in their lot. If it all means getting around to a hard cap, so be it. Even as a Yankee fan, I can certainly realize that a $200 million payroll doesn't buy a title. With interleague play, it's not a novelty anymore, even if its only 15 games each year. I'd enjoy seeing an interleague series continuously, myself. I mean, until a few years later when THAT got old, too...
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#16 Posted on 23.5.06 0951.03
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    Originally posted by jfkfc
    the Royals haven't been over .500 since the strike season, averaging 68 wins. How fair is that to both of the KC fans?


Hey, watch it there. There's me and Rob Neyer and.................
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#17 Posted on 23.5.06 1154.18
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    Originally posted by pieman
      Originally posted by jfkfc
      the Royals haven't been over .500 since the strike season, averaging 68 wins. How fair is that to both of the KC fans?


    Hey, watch it there. There's me and Rob Neyer and.................


Me!!!! (Although I think Rob Neyer has all but disowned them at this point)
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#18 Posted on 27.5.06 0040.10
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In my perfect world, MLB would work like a modified version of European soccer's premier league system. The 30 teams would be broken into three 10-team leagues, and each team plays the nine teams in its league 10 times each, and each team in the other two leagues thrice each. This equals 150 games, and the other 'bonus' twelve games can be six each against whichever team finished in the same position as you in the other two leagues (i.e. if Detroit, San Diego and Boston finished sixth in the A, B and C leagues, each would get six extra games against the other).

At the end of each season, the top four teams from the Premier League, and the top two teams from the B and C leagues make the playoffs. They have the regular bracket to see who wins the title.

Then, the next season, the two B and C teams both advance to the Premier League. This means four teams must drop down to the B League, and then the bottom two in the B League drop down into the C League.

Of course, this would never, ever be accepted.
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#19 Posted on 30.5.06 1249.41
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    Originally posted by Wpob
    Rays, Marlins, Royals, and Pitt. Eliminate them all. Then take the players on their Major league roster and hold a draft. And then do the same for the minor league roster. Less teams, more talent on the remaining teams.


That won't be so simple.

The Marlins have won a series, albeit only within the past 5 years.

Pittsburgh will never go 'way, though a new ownership would be great. The ghost of Roberto Clemente will never allow it.
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#20 Posted on 30.5.06 1253.46
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    Originally posted by Lexus
    The Marlins have won a series, albeit only within the past 5 years.


Not only have they won a World Series...they have the same number of championships as both the White Sox and Cubs, despiting existing for only 12 Series while the Chicago teams have been around for 101 each.
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