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#1 Posted on 19.4.06 0111.43
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Back in the day, when Zed was still doing recaps, he wrote about a WCW match between Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart. The match(which otherwise sucked) was notable because Hogan was actually wrestling with Hart, busting out a few technical moves along the way.

In that same vein, I wish to present the most bewildering Hogan match I've ever seen, Hulk Hogan vs. The Great Muta. It was shot in Japan, I'm sure somebody knows where and when.

What matters is that Hogan busts out an STF, that spinning headlock/drop toehold takedown that was Bischoff's Special in WCW vs. NWO World Tour, and one move that has to be seen to be believed.

At first I thought it was some video trickery, like how Burger King has been inserting The King into historical sports footage, but when I saw Hogan toss in a backrake, I knew it was all too real.

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#2 Posted on 19.4.06 0214.15
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I'm trying to figure out two things: when this was filmed, and how to save the file locally.

Now...I'm thinking this is right after when Hogan beat Yokozuna for the title at Wrestlemania IX but before he lost it a month later BACK to Yoko. That was at one of the KotR events, right?

Plus...Jimmy Hart is accompanying Hogan to the ring. That's a hint, too.

Highspots lists a Hogan vs. Muta match for May 3rd, 1993 (as listed on one of their videos).

Can anyone confirm or deny?

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#3 Posted on 19.4.06 0257.05
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Wow. Good match-- I never thought of Great Muta as being nearly that good. Probably because we got a watered-down version of him in WCW.

Explain something to me about Japanese wrestling, though-- the referee gives a five-count for Hogan raking Muta's face, yet doesn't disqualify Muta for using a hammer or a chair in his plain sight? Wassupwidat?

In any event, if there's a future Hogan DVD to come, WWE's gotta put this on there, no question. Preferably with an option for Michael Cole and Tazz to do commentary on it.

Also-- Muta kicked out of the Leg Drop? WHOA! You can tell the match was in Japan and not in the U.S. (Not that it helped him much anyway, as Muta lost a few seconds later).

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#4 Posted on 19.4.06 0652.50
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Hogan busted out some pretty technical moves in the early 80's vs. guys like Akira Maeda and Tatsumi Fujinami. Of course he did them at half speed and looked sort of akward.

I was amazed to see him do this spinning leg over top thingy into a take down and an arm-bar.

In Japan, his lariat, known as the 'ax bomber' (I believe), was very over. The leg spash was always used for near falls.
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#5 Posted on 19.4.06 0837.07
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Holy crap. Hogan was KILLING Muta at ringside. Oddly enough, he wrestles like traditional Hogan outside, but wrestles a radically different style inside the ring. A Hogan enziguri!

The full-ramp running clothesline by Muta was awesome. I's not until after that spot that Hogan goes back to his normal style inside the ring.

Why couldn't Hogan use his regular entrance music? The match had some WWF sanction; why wouldn't they provide the theme? Was "real America" too Western a song to get the crowds behind him?

God, I would pay good money to hear Heenan call this match. Especially when Hogan shoves the ref.
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#6 Posted on 19.4.06 1033.28
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That match is in New Japan who had a working agreement with WCW. Its from May of 93. What the name of the card is I forgot. But he later that year teamed in a match with Muta vs. Road Warrior Hawk & Power Warrior (Kensuke Sasaki in his LOD gimmick).
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#7 Posted on 19.4.06 1042.56
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    Originally posted by Derrick
    That match is in New Japan who had a working agreement with WCW. Its from May of 93.


But Hogan didn't hold a WCW belt until July '94 when he beat Flair for the world title. He was defeated for the WWE title in June '93 at King of the Ring, and then he left the comapny.

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#8 Posted on 19.4.06 1056.23
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We (meaning LanceJr, myself, and Jeff from OUR so-called SPORT) have in our [technically Jeff's] possession something we call The Greatest Tape Ever Made. This is a bootleg of Hulk Hogan in the WWF from the early 80's and some of his Japanese matches from the 80's and 90's. The Muta match is included on there and I agree that the sight of Hogan doing STFs and enzuigiris are mind-blowing. I remember a cover of Pro-Wrestling Illustrated in '93 that showed Hogan doing an enzuigiri that at the time fractured my fragile teenage mind. In Japan, Hogan claims to be Ichiban and his ax-bomba clothesline is more feared than anything (although the Japanese wrestlers seem to have a general weakness to big American lariat clotheslines.) The Greatest Tape Ever Made also contains some of Hogan's other Japan bouts, I forget specifics as it's been years since I've seen it, but one that stands out was Hogan and Jumbo Tsuruta (or was it Muta?) against Hawk and Sasake, the Hell Raisers. That was also pretty amazing, seeing Hogan and Hawk wrestle each other in that era. I don't think that ever happened in a U.S. ring. Now, I want to dig that tape up again and take another look at it.

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#9 Posted on 19.4.06 1102.34
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Derrick
      That match is in New Japan who had a working agreement with WCW. Its from May of 93.

    But Hogan didn't hold a WCW belt until July '94 when he beat Flair for the world title. He was last defeated for the WWE title in June '93 at King of the Ring.
It's clearly the WWF "eagle" championship belt Hogan is wearing. Perhaps even more revealing is the fact that Jimmy Hart is wearing a jacket advertising the Mega Maniacs (i.e. Hogan and a masked Brutus Beefcake in the feud against Money Inc. that led up to Wrestlemania IX and Hogan's surprise title win against Yokozuna).
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#10 Posted on 19.4.06 1603.40
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There was a RF Video called The Best of Hulk Hogan in Japan which has all the above matches, including stuff with Inoki, Andre and Hansen. The Muta match is pretty cool, but I'd have to say the greatest international Hogan match has to be vs. Stan Hansen.
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#11 Posted on 19.4.06 1728.59
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On topic - Man, that match ruled.

Off topic - I thought RFVideo was going to change their name on account of the scandal with Mr. RF... Did they change their minds? Is a familiar name more important than avoiding scandal?
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#12 Posted on 19.4.06 1737.02
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Let's not go nuts -- the match wasn't THAT great. It's not going to make a Best of Muta compilation tape, if you catch my drift. It's weird seeing Hogan bust out unusual moves, but other than a curiosity, it's not much of a bout.

I find it hilarious how in Japanese wrestling (home of such neck-killing moves as the Tiger Driver, Burning Hammer, etc.), the finishing moves are often tame things like a lariat clotheslines. I guess it's no different than the people's elbow or the worm chop over here, but still.
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#13 Posted on 19.4.06 1820.31
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    Originally posted by Oliver
    I'm trying to figure out two things: when this was filmed, and how to save the file locally.


I converted the file to mpeg format. I can put it online if someone knows of a way (or a place) to do that. It's just shy of 60 megs.
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#14 Posted on 19.4.06 2112.50
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Here's the link to the Hogan match database:
http://www.freewebs.com/hoganresults/index.htm

Hogan's 1993 Japan dates:
Fukuoka, Japan 5/3/93 (Wrestling Dontaku): WWE Champion Hulk Hogan beat IWGP Champion The Great Muta (neither championship was on the line)

Fukuoka, Japan 9/22/93: Hulk Hogan & The Great Muta beat The Hellraisers (Road Warrior Hawk & "Power Warrior" Kensuke Sasaki)

Osaka, Japan, 9/26/93: Hulk Hogan beat Keiji Mutoh (Great Muta)

Tokyo, Japan 1/4/94: Hulk Hogan beat Tatsumi Fujinami

Hogan had his best matches in Japan because he was wrestling some of the world's best workers (Tenyru, Hansen, Fujinami, Choshu, Maeda), and he held up his end with stiff work and his AWA-learned chain wrestling. No one would ever confuse Hogan with Jumbo, but it seemed like Hogan knew the Japanese fans had certain expectations and he delivered. If you smash Stan Hansen directly and repeatedly in the face, it's more effective than the back scratcher.

I also recommend this Hogan match:
Hulk Hogan vs. Stan Hansen (4/13/90) AJPW/WWF Wrestling Summit @ Tokyo Dome
This match is great, maybe Hogan's best. Hansen and Hogan are just killing each other in this with sick stiff shots. This card also featured a Savage/Tenyru match that was tremendous!

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#15 Posted on 20.4.06 0230.56
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    Originally posted by Derrick
    That match is in New Japan who had a working agreement with WCW. Its from May of 93.


If it's May of '93 then Hogan was still WWF Champion. He didn't drop the title to Yokozuna 'til King Of The Ring in June.
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#16 Posted on 20.4.06 0243.04
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I think you are right about that. It just seemed odd to me that Hogan was still in WWF when he went back to New Japan. WCW was working with them as early as 91. It continued almost till the death of WCW.

It may be common knowledge that Hogan was the 1st IGWP champion ever crowned back in 1981. Noone brought it up so ill just throw it in there.
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#17 Posted on 20.4.06 1039.45
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I also have that Best Hogan in Japan tape, and it is quite impressive. Hogan could bust out the moves when he wanted to. Or at least when he had to. When he was selling out every arena in the country in the 80's, he didn't have to. But that half assed crap doesn't cut it in Japan.
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#18 Posted on 20.4.06 1213.46
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    Originally posted by Derrick
    I think you are right about that. It just seemed odd to me that Hogan was still in WWF when he went back to New Japan. WCW was working with them as early as 91. It continued almost till the death of WCW.

Maybe it's my revisionist memory playing tricks on me, but I feel like I remember reading about Hogan working a New Japan show and thinking how strange it was that he was doing it while (essentially) working for the competition. Then again, I'm not sure I was in the IWC at that point.

    It may be common knowledge that Hogan was the 1st IGWP champion ever crowned back in 1981. Noone brought it up so ill just throw it in there.

It's IWGP. One of the announcers mentions it in the clip.

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#19 Posted on 20.4.06 1236.18
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Great match, another match showing Hogan's naysayers that he did have talent but like kentish said, he just didnt have to bust the moves in America for people to go crazy.

My favorite part was the Japanese pronounciation for some things, "Haruka Hogaan!" and "Axe Bumbra!"... entertaining overall, but the end could have been better.
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