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#1 Posted on 15.4.06 2050.01
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Haven't seen "new earth" yet, but how about this...

If you goto the BBC Dr Who page, you can download a commentary for tonight's episode.

How's that for quick?
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#2 Posted on 15.4.06 2109.07
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The videos page also include a brief trailer ("Tardisode") for the first two episodes.

Now, on the first episode, New Earth:


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Oh ya, New Earth was good. Tennant may have been a bit over-the-top at anger, but his Doctor only gives everyone he encounters ONE chance (heh). At the end, the resolution of the villain was a bit head-scratching but I'll cope. The Face of Boe's voice could have more um...majestic?
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#3 Posted on 17.4.06 0917.01
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I wasn't sure about the new "Dr. Who" but having caught it on Scifi channel, it was better than I thought it would be but not near as entertaining as Tom Baker and the other earlier Doctors.
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#4 Posted on 17.4.06 1227.50
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The problem with the new doctors-both of them-is that they're written and played as too human. Doctor Numbers 1-8, no matter how kindly or benevolent they were, were always ultimately alien and unique, and the actors portraying him added little wrinkles in their performances to show that (well...maybe not Davidson). But Russell Davies' Doctors feel as though they've barely lived their own lives, let alone the centuries that the character's supposed to have existed for.

Oh, and this fixation with the sexual tension between he and Rose has got to go. It's just not in the nature of the character as written, and it's not something that's needed for the show to be successful.
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#5 Posted on 17.4.06 1332.29
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    The problem with the new doctors-both of them-is that they're written and played as too human. Doctor Numbers 1-8, no matter how kindly or benevolent they were, were always ultimately alien and unique, and the actors portraying him added little wrinkles in their performances to show that (well...maybe not Davidson). But Russell Davies' Doctors feel as though they've barely lived their own lives, let alone the centuries that the character's supposed to have existed for.

    Oh, and this fixation with the sexual tension between he and Rose has got to go. It's just not in the nature of the character as written, and it's not something that's needed for the show to be successful.

I sense alienness in both Docs. For the Ninth Doctor, some of his history is shrouded in the mystery of the Great Time War and the events preceded Series One. Eccleston's leaving after one series didn't help matters either. I noticed Doc No. 9 seems not to have that deep, deep sympathy for humans earlier Docs had (e.g. Unquiet Dead, "apes") and is also seems to put on a facade occasionally when seeming happy (the excessive grinning).

Currently we've seen a grand total of two-plus episodes of the Tenth Doctor, so we don't how much of an alien he'll get, but apparently there are rumblings that:


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The Tenth Doctor's overconfidence/arrogance at handling problems will become a season arc.


Anyways, I saw the TV Movie yesterday, and McGann's (the Eight Doctor) performance while good seems a bit forced and felt too much tied to a script that just had to explain everything.

I like the tensions between the Doctor and Rose. Now, as much as I love the new series, if I see Rose fawning over the Doctor every episode like Sherry fawned over Shawn Michaels way back when, I might have to bail out.
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#6 Posted on 18.4.06 0127.09
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The sexual tension is a nice nod to Pertwee's feelings about Jo Grant. Good to see a Doctor with an eye for the ladies and good to see a gal who is clever enough to spot the posturing of the men around her without playing into it or feeling unduly threatened by it.

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#7 Posted on 18.4.06 2120.23
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    Originally posted by Boston Idol
    The sexual tension is a nice nod to Pertwee's feelings about Jo Grant. Good to see a Doctor with an eye for the ladies and good to see a gal who is clever enough to spot the posturing of the men around her without playing into it or feeling unduly threatened by it.


I always thought that was more father/daughter, given how young Jo appeared to be.


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#8 Posted on 19.4.06 0215.50
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    Originally posted by odessasteps
      Originally posted by Boston Idol
      The sexual tension is a nice nod to Pertwee's feelings about Jo Grant. Good to see a Doctor with an eye for the ladies and good to see a gal who is clever enough to spot the posturing of the men around her without playing into it or feeling unduly threatened by it.


    I always thought that was more father/daughter, given how young Jo appeared to be.





Well, if you get a chance to watch Jo's last episode, "The Green Death," you can tell that the Doctor gets EXTREMELY jealous of Jo's romantic interest. And to boot, one can't help but feel pathos as Jo just seems to slip, slip, slip away from the Doctor. In my opinion, I always kinda' felt there was tension between the Doctor and Sarah Jane Smith. I don't care who you are, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY can get as crestfallen as the fourth Doctor and Sarah do in "The Hand of Fear" when the Doctor is summoned to Gallifrey and has no choice but to take Sarah home. That's LOOOOOVE, baby! (Yep, I'm a Doctor Who geek for sure.)

BTW, I can't WAIT for season two to hit the States. I'm LOVING the new series, and after watching "Dalek" and its replay Sunfay night, I'm convinced that this episode may be one of the finest ever made for the series, original and new. And judging by JALman's spoiler, I can definitely see this, and, if you know your Doctor Who well (Trial of a Timelord *ahem*), well, anyway, enough ranting from me.
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#9 Posted on 19.4.06 0820.04
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Here's the bottom line on the Doctor and some of his companions. The companions served in several different roles to help define what the Doctor, or I should say who the Doctor was during his iterations.
The first Doctor was indeed a father figure and grandfather figure to Ian, Barbara, ans Susan. The second Doctor was more of an older brother to Jamie and Zoe.
The third Doctor was a Mister Mad Pimp Special. He was gettin' his orangutang on with Liz and Jo. He was sort of like the debonaire ladies man and a seventies bad boy. But he was also a good friend and go to guy for the Brigadier.
The fourth Doctor was sort of the everyman, and the hopeless romantic. He was madly in love with Sarah Jane, and left her on earth and lied to her about going to Gallifrey, because if she were hurt or killed, he couldn't cope with that happening to the woman he loved.
The fifth was a spaz. The sixth wasn't on TV long enough to really judge, although it's feasable that he and Mel may have had a trist, but they were like friends with benefits.
The eight Doctor was the teacher to Ace, his student.
The eight, well, BWAHAHAH! He sucked, and the ninth Doctor from what I've seen so far...
Can't really tell yet, but he's definitley got a thing for Rose.

Sorry so long. Thanks!
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#10 Posted on 19.4.06 1021.47
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    Originally posted by Davros
    Here's the bottom line on the Doctor and some of his companions.


For those just tuning in [bbc.co.uk]...

Okay, here's my take on this:

Docs #1 and #2 were the granddad and uncle, respectively

Doc #3, from what I've known, seems to play the Intergalactic Sugar Daddy (my pet term)

Doc #4 had major sexual tension with the second Romana (okay, real life had a lot to do with that...)

Doc #5 had an assortment of ladies, but I guess since the powers-that-be wanted the Doctor to be asexual and not Tom Baker, he was wimpy; I also noticed that Peri may have had a crush on him, but of course They Can't Have That, so...

I can kinda see Doc #6 and Peri as an item, but not he and his companion/fitness instructor Mel unless there were more rewards to his weight loss than carrot juice, carrot juice, carrot juice...

Doc #7 was basically a mentor

For his credit, Doc #8 actually did something romantic, but the TV Movie was a let down, so I'll move on to...

Doc #9 is at his most lonely and is likely interested in Rose for more than just sight-seeing...

...as for the current Doctor, all I'll say is that so far it's more of the same as his predecessor except he's not saddled with the Time War baggage.
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#11 Posted on 20.4.06 1729.32
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Dude, how is it that the 5th Doc had THE hottest Aussie in the cosmos, and didn't snag up? What an ass head. Anyway--

Will the second season be picked up by Sci Fi? The numbers aren't exactly stellar (according to Outpost Gallifrey), but I'm sure it's drawing as well as the Stargate programs.

Plus- if we do get what is rumored for season two, a war between Daleks and Cybermen, I wouldn't want to wait over a year to see it on DVD. That, and all the other great stuff season two has to offer.

>crossing my fingers<
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#12 Posted on 24.4.06 1426.08
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    Originally posted by Davros
    Will the second season be picked up by Sci Fi? The numbers aren't exactly stellar (according to Outpost Gallifrey), but I'm sure it's drawing as well as the Stargate programs.

Nope, no news about Sci-Fi and season two yet.

...and in the news...

  • A new K9 animated series has been announced, coinciding with the next episode of season two, School Reunion.
  • Two more actors have been signed on for the spin-off Torchwood, one of whom may be familiar to season one viewers.
  • The sad, sad truth about text messaging abuse ;-)
  • Anyone checked Who is Doctor Who lately?
  • Also, a thought about the last episode...


    Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
    What DID happen with those kung-fu monks?
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    #13 Posted on 25.4.06 1410.00
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    That new K-9 looks awesome. I hope we get to see it here in the states.

    Friday's episode "The Long Game" was superb, and my girlfriend said she liked it better than Dalek. I'm still waiting for RKMtwin to watch it so I can get his feedback. What did you think?

    The story was great, as was the commentary, and the special effects were damn good without being OTT.

    Thanks for the links BTW!
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    #14 Posted on 25.4.06 2019.13
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    I got a solicit today from amazon.uk pimping the first season 2 DVD. of course it only has 2 episodes listed (the Xmas special and New Earth), so I don't know if it's worth ordering.
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    #15 Posted on 26.4.06 0130.11
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    I thought "The Long Game" was the best of the new episodes. The mystery unravelled slowly rather than being dumped in our laps like it was in the opener when the autons were revealed almost immediately. "The Long Game" had another hallmark of great Doctor Who episodes in that it touched on larger issues such as the ability to control people with doubt and fear and the ability to create doubt and fear through mass media. It was timely without pointing a finger at any particular government leader.

    The finish was quite simple, the enemy was too easily beaten, but that's standard Doctor Who fare. 50-75% mystery, 20-40% peril, and a relatively quick resolution.

    The biggest hole in the story was whether the operators on Floor 500 were really dead and if so how one of them could turn on the editor. It was a "cute" finish that the director apparently couldn't pass up, but it begged for an explanation of some sort, even as simple as "I guess she wasn't completely dead after all" from the Doctor. Other than that, I've got no complaints. Hopefully this was a sign that the creative team was starting to hit their stride.

    Even Eccleston wasn't bad, though I won't miss his reading of the character... and I was a Jon Pertwee fan! There is nothing wrong with brusque, but Eccleston occaisionally comes off looking like a punk. Still beats Peter Davison.
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    #16 Posted on 26.4.06 0816.21
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      Originally posted by Boston Idol
      I thought "The Long Game" was the best of the new episodes. The mystery unravelled slowly rather than being dumped in our laps like it was in the opener when the autons were revealed almost immediately. "The Long Game" had another hallmark of great Doctor Who episodes in that it touched on larger issues such as the ability to control people with doubt and fear and the ability to create doubt and fear through mass media. It was timely without pointing a finger at any particular government leader.

    To me, this wasn't quite the best but it had some cool moments. When I first came across it, this would be the "forgettable" episode where nothing much happens. Now re-watching it last week made me realize how much it matters in the season arc. Also, this was the "companion who couldn't" story Russell T. Davies had saved for years. All this time and all we get is meek, unrepentant guy receiving the Doctor's wrath.

    "Game" has some lasting consequences for the human race. We will see a similar theme again later on.


    Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read

    When the Doc, Rose, and the Cap'n find themselves on Satellite Five, now the "game station." The human race becomes sheep supporting reality/game shows.

    Doc and company were forced into the game station. Someone or something apparently is trying to toy with the Doctor (for lack of a better term).


    Oh, and if any of you thought the Face of Boe's cameo here was frivolous then don't take him lightly...

    ...also take note the network he appeared on.



      The finish was quite simple, the enemy was too easily beaten, but that's standard Doctor Who fare. 50-75% mystery, 20-40% peril, and a relatively quick resolution.

    While the ending was a bit pat, I liked how the Ninth Doctor "enables" Cathica to resolve the plot instead of the being the straightforward hero.

    Many critics would point that as a major problem that the Ninth hardly saves the day alone; however, this development makes him more of an almost begrudging and sometimes vulnerable type of adventurer.



      The biggest hole in the story was whether the operators on Floor 500 were really dead and if so how one of them could turn on the editor. It was a "cute" finish that the director apparently couldn't pass up, but it begged for an explanation of some sort, even as simple as "I guess she wasn't completely dead after all" from the Doctor. Other than that, I've got no complaints. Hopefully this was a sign that the creative team was starting to hit their stride.

    Considering Suki's business there, maybe she had extra willpower in reserve? *shrugs*

    Anyway, episodes nine and ten are considered by some fans, especially in the more popular Who online communities, to be the best episodes of new Who. I believe that it has the best acting in new Who but the plot's somewhat underwhelming.

    One more note about "Game," here's a possible connection (The bottom "Competition Winner" portion) that could link that episode with "Father's Day."


      Even Eccleston wasn't bad, though I won't miss his reading of the character... and I was a Jon Pertwee fan! There is nothing wrong with brusque, but Eccleston occaisionally comes off looking like a punk. Still beats Peter Davison.

    The worst part about Eccleston to me are these words:


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    ...Rose, you were fantastic. And you know what, so was I.

    The Ninth Doctor's last words before regenerating.


    Those words make him smug and selfish at a critical time. Then again the Ninth Doctor has mostly been a bit shifty. I do appreciate his most important contribution: he made Doctor Who a serious, cash-cow property. Based on what I've seen of Tennant, if the Tenth Doctor swapped places with the Ninth I don't think new Who would have the same impact to viewers. And I really like Tennant's reign so far.

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    #17 Posted on 26.4.06 1508.00
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    Also, this was the "companion who couldn't" story Russell T. Davies had saved for years. All this time and all we get is meek, unrepentant guy receiving the Doctor's wrath.


    Beats watching the Doctor made a fool by Turlough for months if not years. Finally a Doctor who can see the obvious!

    While the ending was a bit pat, I liked how the Ninth Doctor "enables" Cathica to resolve the plot instead of the being the straightforward hero.

    Many critics would point that as a major problem that the Ninth hardly saves the day alone; however, this development makes him more of an almost begrudging and sometimes vulnerable type of adventurer.


    Bah! The Doctor has flat out refused to resolve the plot on several occaisions, challenging others to fight to save themselves. He's war weary and he's lost his whole race to the cause of saving others. He's a bit isolationist and a bit frustrated. He's willing to help, but he's done helping those who won't fight for themselves. He's been testing since the Auton episode.

    Considering Suki's business there, maybe she had extra willpower in reserve? *shrugs*


    Dead is dead. Either she wasn't dead or her ghost invaded her dead body and reanimated it. It was basically something "cute" the writer and director couldn't pass up, the sort of pathetic irony one encounters all too often these days. One line would have fixed the problem, but since all they wanted was the ironic moment, no thought was given to fixing the problem. Just laziness.

    Anyway, episodes nine and ten are considered by some fans, especially in the more popular Who online communities, to be the best episodes of new Who. I believe that it has the best acting in new Who but the plot's somewhat underwhelming.


    "Oh, joy!"
    - another sci-fi doctor

    Beyond that, I can't comment on what I haven't seen, though I've rarely seen acting overcome a weak plot. Doctor Who fans could be insufferably sentimental back in the day.

    And I really like Tennant's reign so far.


    I look forward to seeing it, provided Sci-Fi shows it or the BBC gets smart about direct DVD sales to the US market.

    I liked Eccleston in "Cracker", though his best moments came as he was dying. He seems to have drawn from the swaggering and confrontational elements of D.C.I. Bilbrough to construct the Doctor. I like the actor. I don't like his choice of elements. Perhaps I'm wrong about the actor and D.C.I. Dickhead was the perfect role for his limitations?

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    #18 Posted on 26.4.06 1626.33
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    Nah, Eccleston's a fantastic actor, with a fairly wide range. I just don't think he ever felt comfortable playing such an odd character, or ever fully adjusted to the frivolous nature of the Who universe. He's very much a "this is my art" kinda guy, so it stands to reason that he'd find playing the lead in an SFX-based sci-fi show somewhat hollow.
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    #19 Posted on 26.4.06 1630.46
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    You guys all make interesting points about the show and the character of the Doctor. I've actually been watching Who all my life, and it's good to see there are people out there that get the character and enjoy what the program tries to bring us.

    I think the Doctor is battle hardened, and yes, wary. I think Rose is starting to give him back should I dare say humanity- that he's lost over the course of the Time War.
    But I have lots of questions that I hope will have light shed on them.

    For instance, how long was the Time War, or series of Time Wars, and who was involved? (Cybermen, Sontarans, the Galactic Federation of Planets- apparently the Slitheen etc.). Since this is now the tenth Doctor, and he only has 12 regenerations, will we see hints of the Valyard come forth?

    Damn, I'm fucking jazzed that I'm actually on the W, talking about Who...
    Oh yeah, Turlough's a bitch.
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    #20 Posted on 27.4.06 0210.47
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    My personal hope was the Peri would wake up and the Valyard season would turn out to be a bad dream. I enjoyed Colin Baker's first season a lot more, particularly "Attack of the Cybermen", "The Two Doctors", and "Revelation of the Daleks", all for very different reasons.

    If I never see the Valyard again...
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