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The Vile1
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#1 Posted on 10.4.06 2106.17
Reposted on: 10.4.13 2106.21
For the very first time in the history of 24, Jack Bauer vs. The President of The United States.

Well certainly a new element to Logan and his sly scheminess this week. And he even had that tender moment with Martha.

And now we see the vice president as one of the good guys.

I really felt bad for the banker, it seems whenever Jack gets a random guy involved in his situation or even a character like Paul Reigns, they end up dead.

Heller, I'm not sure we can trust him. Judging from the preview it can go either way. Though there is a clip of him and President Logan that one could assume that Heller is still one of the good guys.

I don't think Audrey's going to survive the season. Chloe, Pearce, and Wayne are toss-ups. I wouldn't be surpised if Pearce died since everyone else from the first season is dead pretty much.

What happened to Mike Novick?

EDIT:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=14029

24 has been renewed by Fox until . . . 2009. Wow.

(edited by The Vile1 on 10.4.06 2052)
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#2 Posted on 10.4.06 2235.28
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
    I don't think Audrey's going to survive the season.


I do believe that I read somewhere that she's doing a show for ABC next season.
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#3 Posted on 10.4.06 2313.37
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With all of the killer upgrades to the soundtrack so far this year, did anybody else say "OK, that's enough" at the James Bond riffs? That bordered on really corny by the end.

Jack Bauer got himself a six-star wanted level. That was a beautiful scene.

If you have the means, I strongly urge you to re-watch the season from the beginning. Either Gregory Itzin knew of Logan's fate from the beginning - in which case, he's the greatest actor alive - or he was directed very, very well. I love Itzin in this role, so I'd like to believe the former. The way he talked to Cummings just makes you sit there and go "brilliant."

It's also very interesting to watch other characters and try to figure out what they knew...guys like Erwich and Nathanson. I think that you could actually do that with this season and not waste your time, because I believe that all the major players had their roles well-defined from the beginning (even Evelyn - she has some curious facial reactions early on). Upon rewatching, I got chills when, within ten seconds of meeting up with Buchanan at CTU, Audrey says that Walt Cummings briefed her on her way over.



The news story is a little misleading. Kiefer signed a pact with the production company (not FOX) that keeps him on the show for three more seasons (and makes him full-fledged exec producer)...provided the show gets picked up for that long. As far as FOX is concerned, the show's only been renewed for next season.
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#4 Posted on 10.4.06 2340.54
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So Logan hires Henderson to help him create a terrorist event to "make this country safer." Presumably this would be achieved by using this (failed?) terrorist attack to curtail civil liberties/increase defense spending/launch a military excursion.

Unfortunately, President Palmer catches wind of President Logan's plan and takes action by contacting the First Lady. Henderson realizes that this could be disastrous so he, on his own, orders the assassination of David Palmer, framing Jack.

The Henderson/Logan plot is carried out with Bierko coordinating the terrorism and Cummings acting as the inside man (though in reality, that's Logan). Bierko was apparently using Erwich as a way to acquire the nerve gas. Erwich thought the plan was to smuggle the Sentox to Russia to launch an attack, but all along Bierko (as per Henderson's orders) is planning to use the nerve gas in the US.

And this is where my reconstruction of this day falls apart. If the plan was to have the inside guy at the docks stop the Sentox from leaving the US, that would mean the plan wasn't for a thwarted US attack by Bierko so you have to wonder where his in-depth scheme to attack the US come from.

Where does Jack's involvement come into play other than him proving he wasn't the one that killed Logan? Was it Henderson or Logan that knew he was still alive?

Most importantly, the tape Evelyn made was recorded after Palmer's assassination i.e. sometime this morning. When did she take this thing to the bank to put it in a safety deposit box, how did Henderson find out, and when did her daughter get kidnapped?

If the VP was doing things on the up and up with DHS and CTU, why would he have all of the CTU people fired rather than just adding Homeland Security personnel and letting them take charge?

And why would Logan want CTU/DHS to arrest Jack? He's going to tell them everything, and Logan is still screwed. The only way out was for Henderson to get Jack first.

Does this make any sense to anyone? I'm expecting some plot holes, but so far this one isn't making sense to me.

Anyway, it was still a good episode.

EDIT: I agree about Itzin/Logan. He's played a fantastic part so far this season. You'd have to guess he's not returning which is a real shame. Obviously he's a way different character than Palmer, but he's been a suitable replacement, IMO.

Interesting what you said about the small details early on. I might go back and watch this season to try to make sense of it based on little things that seemed superfluous at the time. Season Three seemed the same way, but in the end after rewatching it made sense.

(edited by BigSteve on 11.4.06 0045)
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#5 Posted on 11.4.06 0003.04
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I agree that this seasons plot is over complicated and dumb. I really wish the writers could come up with a plot before they start shooting the season. If they need to kill time try to keep them not dumb. However this season seems like they ran out of the main plot about 9 hours early and they are just making shit up.
Also I really hated the James Bond music. It reminded me of the Jimmy Neutron episode where Carl keeps singing "I am a SPY" the entire time. And that is definitely not a good thing.
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#6 Posted on 11.4.06 0017.49
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We didn't see it happen, but do we have to assume that Henderson killed Evelyn Martin and her little girl? It seems whenever a child is killed on 24, it typically happens off-screen, like that nuclear pilot's wife and his kids last season.
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#7 Posted on 11.4.06 0906.58
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
    We didn't see it happen, but do we have to assume that Henderson killed Evelyn Martin and her little girl? It seems whenever a child is killed on 24, it typically happens off-screen, like that nuclear pilot's wife and his kids last season.


I don't think Henderson killed them. They're lives can be used as leverage against Logan, since she is the First Lady's assistant.
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#8 Posted on 11.4.06 1129.54
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I will accept the explanation that Logan was using Robocop as his front man from the beginning, and even Cummings did not know. That way, all Logan has to do is play dumb, which he is good at. It is a hokey story development, but if you over analyze 24, you would probably stop watching it. Actually, that can be said for most shows.
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#9 Posted on 11.4.06 1955.11
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I'm pretty sure the original plan was exactly what Cummings told Jack, that the nerve gas was supposed to go to Russia. When Erwich and Bierko changed the plan, however, Logan wound up reinstating Bauer to clean up his mess. Bierko, I think, always had a backup plan in mind for if they couldn't get the gas back to Russia. Be a shame to let all that nerve gas go to waste. But ultimately, I think that Logan had no intention for events to go the way they did, and has been playing at clean up the whole time.
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#10 Posted on 13.4.06 1403.26
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I'm pretty sure the original plan was exactly what Cummings told Jack, that the nerve gas was supposed to go to Russia.


Then why did Henderson provide Bierko with the schematics of the gas plant? Among other efforts that went into planning the events which only happened because the gas stayed here.
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#11 Posted on 13.4.06 1409.17
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    Then why did Henderson provide Bierko with the schematics of the gas plant? Among other efforts that went into planning the events which only happened because the gas stayed here.


I forget... how did Erwich find out about the plan to sabotage the terrorists? All I remember from that episode is that there's the guy in the compartment with the gas who's working for Cummings, and then at the end of the episode he's found dead with the gas missing and Erwich has his phone, to taunt the president. Is it possible that while Logan and Cummings legitimately wanted the gas used on foreign soil, Henderson wanted the gas used locally, and alerted Erwich to the plan?

Or, given that Bierko didn't even get the actual blueprints until right when he needed them, is it possible that Henderson gave them to Stenger earlier today, before we even 'met' either of them, with the Audrey story as a cover up since he knew Jack was prowling around (before having tried to kill him)?

OK. Time to stop thinking about this show and go back to just enjoying the ride.

(edited by EddieBurkett on 13.4.06 1511)
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#12 Posted on 13.4.06 1450.54
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    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
      Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      Then why did Henderson provide Bierko with the schematics of the gas plant? Among other efforts that went into planning the events which only happened because the gas stayed here.


    I forget... how did Erwich find out about the plan to sabotage the terrorists? All I remember from that episode is that there's the guy in the compartment with the gas who's working for Cummings, and then at the end of the episode he's found dead with the gas missing and Erwich has his phone, to taunt the president. Is it possible that while Logan and Cummings legitimately wanted the gas used on foreign soil, Henderson wanted the gas used locally, and alerted Erwich to the plan?


Thinking about this part will definitely give you a headache.

We know that Henderson brought Bierko and Collette together for the schematics. So, the plan all along may have been to use the gas on U.S. soil. Is that something that Henderson did alone, or was it at the request of Logan (or maybe even some other puppetmaster)?

Bierko, then, was prepared to use the gas here. Was that the original plan all along, or was it simply a contingency plan? Bierko had a very well-prepared contingency plan, if that was the case. I believe that Erwich was nothing more than a pawn and had no contact whatsoever with Henderson. *His* plan all along was to smuggle the gas out. He grew suspicious of Schaeffer when he saw Schaeffer come out of the compartment. Erwich tortured Schaeffer, as he said, either because of his suspicions, or because Bierko told him that he was being betrayed by Cummings.
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