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#1 Posted on 22.3.06 1746.48
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060322/us_nm/bars_dc

So they justify this by saying that they are stopping people before people go drive cars all smashed? That is ridiculous logic and it sounds a bit like Minority Report to me.

How are bars considered public anyway?
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#2 Posted on 22.3.06 2025.14
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This reminds me of my thread in early 2003 when I bitched that in VA, it's illegal to be drunk in a bar.

http://the-w.com/thread.php/id=8999

I think Texas' rationalization is a poor way of describing a good thing they're trying to do. I'm sure it's illegal to be drunk in public in TX, so as soon as the drunks walk out, they're subject to arrest.

They do have a point, but it's hard to arrest people for crimes they HAVEN'T committed. I can remember a few times in the news where rapists and child molesters were being released and they PLEAD to be kept behind bars because they know they will attack someone again, but the government has to let them go. They haven't committed a crime -- yet.

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#3 Posted on 22.3.06 2114.08
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The TABC is pretty notorious for being heavy-handed in enforcing an arcane patchwork set of alcohol laws in the state. Although this takes it to a new level, they have a history of trying to justify their existence as a law enforcement agency.


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#4 Posted on 23.3.06 0207.51
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Fresno cops recently started doing stings in bars where they have undercover police officers checking out patrons, and alerting officers outside telling officers in marked cars in the areas around the bars on who to watch out for as far as drunk drivers go.
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#5 Posted on 23.3.06 1416.04
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"And so they arrested me for being drunk in public. I told 'em I didn't wanna be drunk in public, I wanted to get drunk in a bar, and they threw me in to public."

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#6 Posted on 23.3.06 1518.55
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    Originally posted by ShotGunShep
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060322/us_nm/bars_dc

    So they justify this by saying that they are stopping people before people go drive cars all smashed? That is ridiculous logic and it sounds a bit like Minority Report to me.

    How are bars considered public anyway?

Just because a bar is private property doesn't mean it's not "in public." I'd assume it'd be considered a public accommodation; that is, it's a place that holds itself out to the public as a place of general admission. The same could be said for malls, movie theaters, bookstores, even private golf courses.

I know this is how the law treats the concept of public versus private in the context of privacy law and in the context of civil rights law. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it works like this with respect to criminal law too.

- StingArmy
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#7 Posted on 23.3.06 1615.38
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    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by ShotGunShep
      http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060322/us_nm/bars_dc

      So they justify this by saying that they are stopping people before people go drive cars all smashed? That is ridiculous logic and it sounds a bit like Minority Report to me.

      How are bars considered public anyway?

    Just because a bar is private property doesn't mean it's not "in public." I'd assume it'd be considered a public accommodation; that is, it's a place that holds itself out to the public as a place of general admission. The same could be said for malls, movie theaters, bookstores, even private golf courses.

    I know this is how the law treats the concept of public versus private in the context of privacy law and in the context of civil rights law. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it works like this with respect to criminal law too.

    - StingArmy


But wait, isn't a strip club a type of bar or at least a similar establishment? And isn't it illegal to walk around in public nude? So why aren't they going into strip clubs and arresting women for being nude in public?

This is just retarded.
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#8 Posted on 23.3.06 1628.32
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    But wait, isn't a strip club a type of bar or at least a similar establishment? And isn't it illegal to walk around in public nude? So why aren't they going into strip clubs and arresting women for being nude in public?


It is a public place, but there are nudity licences that they get to keep from getting into trouble. I guess the cop's logic is that the bar has a licence to serve you alcohol, but you don't have a licence to drink until you lose control of yourself.


    Originally posted by wmatistic
    This is just retarded.


Yes, yes it is. I certainly see their point (They're not arresting people for crimes they haven't committed yet. They're arresting them for the crime that they *are* committing by being drunk off their ass. The fact that they don't get the chance to commit any more crimes is a bonus) but there's no way that they can do this without bar/tavern owners demanding that this stops, let alone the patrons. Enough of them make enough noise, especially when the businesses start to suffer, and someone in whatever branch of government oversees this will have to pull the plug. It's a nice idea, but WAY too heavyhanded to work long term.


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#9 Posted on 23.3.06 1901.01
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30 people in 36 bars.

As a bouncer (in VA no less), I have to say that is relatively few. Less than one person per location. I don't throw every guy who's drunk out of the establishment because it's bad for business. I think the police in Texas would think along the same lines. After all, if people weren't comfortable to go out and spend their money at night on overpriced alcohol in a highly taxable establishment (lest we forget Texas not having a state income tax), it's both what and where people will go to spend their money that's on their minds.

Sometimes alcohol DOES make otherwise wonderful people become crazy idiots. Those, my friends, are the drunk folks people notice. The ones picking fights, the ones taking clothes off, the ones urinating in their pants, the ones fornicating in public, down to the ones who can't stand and domino effect into about 12 other people. I'm very interested to read the reports on each of the 30 arrested, they'd probably be good for a laugh.
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#10 Posted on 24.3.06 0757.52
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    Originally posted by Lexus
    Sometimes alcohol DOES make otherwise wonderful people become crazy idiots. Those, my friends, are the drunk folks people notice. The ones picking fights, the ones taking clothes off, the ones urinating in their pants, the ones fornicating in public, down to the ones who can't stand and domino effect into about 12 other people. I'm very interested to read the reports on each of the 30 arrested, they'd probably be good for a laugh.


While I am tired of Big Brother and don't like this tact. I am tired of drunk drivers. Having a daughter about to obtain her license, what scares me most is the irresponsible drivers out there, not just drunks. The better solution is to get drunks home, not arrest them.

And Lexus, it is my experience that alcohol doesn't make you do anything you aren't disposed to doing. It just turns off the switch in your brain that keeps you in check.
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