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#21 Posted on 7.3.06 0901.05
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Yeah, I'm usually pretty positive about RAW, but there just wasn't much going on last night. I kept changing the channel to watch other stuff, even in the middle of segments. It's bad enough when the show can't keep you around between segments, but if I'm stepping out in the middle, then there is a problem. I think this may be the worst build to Wrestlemania I've ever seen.
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#22 Posted on 7.3.06 0937.44
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    After watching the ECW DVD recently, it really is pathetic to see how lumbering Foley is. He used to be big yet explosive. Now, he's just big.



I thought the same thing. I couldn't get into Foley's run-in at all because the whole time I just kept thinking to myself: "Wow, he's gotten even bigger."

Btw....were the Spirit Squad actually showering Eugene with taunts of "tard" and "retard" ?
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#23 Posted on 7.3.06 0941.31
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I think this may be the worst build to Wrestlemania I've ever seen.
You know, they DO have almost a MONTH to build to WrestleMania, so perhaps your comment is a bit premature.

Also, the buildup to X-8 caused a lot of people to bitch (slashwrestling.com), for instance - but you did say the worst YOU'D ever seen, so maybe you haven't been watching that many years...

(edited by CRZ on 7.3.06 0941)
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#24 Posted on 7.3.06 1014.35
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A couple of things...

1. Steph w/ child is pretty big
2. HBK over sold the druggin which I guess is good.

I was shocked to see Nunzio in the cheering section on "Deal Or No Deal". I was somewhat suprised that he introed himself as Monty's brother Nunzio, not Monty's brother James. But then even more surprised when Howie did not mention that Nunzio was a WWE wrestler and the segue into a SNME promo. By the way the brother (Monty) was introed as Patrick Maritato.
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#25 Posted on 7.3.06 1027.57
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Tenken347
      I think this may be the worst build to Wrestlemania I've ever seen.
    You know, they DO have almost a MONTH to build to WrestleMania, so perhaps your comment is a bit premature.

    Also, the buildup to X-8 caused a lot of people to bitch (slashwrestling.com), for instance - but you did say the worst YOU'D ever seen, so maybe you haven't been watching that many years...

    (edited by CRZ on 7.3.06 0941)


No kidding. And the build-up to XV and XIII was even worse than that. Perspective, ladies and gents. Its a Heckuva thing.
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#26 Posted on 7.3.06 1055.25
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
      Originally posted by CRZ
        Originally posted by Tenken347
        I think this may be the worst build to Wrestlemania I've ever seen.
      You know, they DO have almost a MONTH to build to WrestleMania, so perhaps your comment is a bit premature.

      Also, the buildup to X-8 caused a lot of people to bitch (slashwrestling.com), for instance - but you did say the worst YOU'D ever seen, so maybe you haven't been watching that many years...

      (edited by CRZ on 7.3.06 0941)


    No kidding. And the build-up to XV and XIII was even worse than that. Perspective, ladies and gents. Its a Heckuva thing.


Okay, but at least Wrestlemania XV had one match the "world" wanted to see- Austin vs. Rock. And the build-up to that match (beer bath, and just the sheer heel awesomeness of Rock) was more than enough for me to say that it dwarfs Cena vs. HHH or any match at WM 22. MITB2 is just there, and the Foley/Edge build-up so far is nearly identical to Foley/Orton. I won't even get into "drugging" Shawn Michaels.

But like CRZ said, there is still a month to go. Perhaps the WWE will surprise us...but I doubt it.

(edited by Torchslasher on 7.3.06 0856)
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#27 Posted on 7.3.06 1113.55
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My problem so far is that there is not one match that has that Wrestlemania quality feel to it. Last year, it was Angle-HBK. The year before was Goldberg-Lesnar (which would have been huge except for the mitigating factors outside the ring). In the past we've had matches like Rock/Hogan, Warrior/Hogan, Hart/Hart, etc. Big money matches that no one has ever seen before. We've never seen Cena/HHH, but it's not on the same excitement level as any of these matches. If Cena wins, he's still the champ. Woohoo. If HHH wins, he's the new champ. Yeehaw. At least the three way from Smackdown has the potential for Rey to become champion...that'd be something new.
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#28 Posted on 7.3.06 1120.45
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    No kidding. And the build-up to XV and XIII was even worse than that. Perspective, ladies and gents. Its a Heckuva thing.



Though in fairness, let's not forget that XIII was a one-match show basically (Bret/Austin). The rest of it was pretty bad. Still, I agree that we shouldn't jump the gun in already labeling Wrestlemania a must-miss show.

I think a more important point right at this moment is that SNME is on the 18th, and it really hasn't been made to seem like anything all that special thus far. Only two matches announced: a handicap tag match as the main event, and Shane/HBK. I understand the former is a ME vs. ME match but to me it reads as if Smackdown needs their top three guys just to handle RAW's top two, and the latter holds the same problem for some of us that Vince/HBK does: it's another match involving a non-wrestler with the last name McMahon, and we really don't care all that much about the angle to begin with. I mean, if Vince wanted to wear down Michaels for his match at Mania, why not use that to give one of the actual wrestlers on the current roster some rub, and provide a match that people might actually want to see?

I understand that SNME is only going to serve the purpose of building towards Wrestlemania, but the nostalgia factor combined with the fact that this is the first time the WWE has been on one of the Big 3 networks in quite some time, should make it seem like an event in and of itself. And yes, I do think this can be done without detracting from the Mania build-up.

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 7.3.06 1225)
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#29 Posted on 7.3.06 1122.01
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The biggest problem I see with WM is the challenger to Cena's title. Shock. Surprise. I know, I know. People always complain about Triple H, but look at this: This year will see his sixth world title match at Wrestlemania and FIFTH IN A ROW. No matter who such a performer may be, that's simply overkill. That's what makes my eyes glaze over for the big PPV.

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#30 Posted on 7.3.06 1127.30
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    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    Does anybody know where RVD was?


He fought Chuck Palumbo in a Heat match ... yes, Chuck Palumbo, Heat match.
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#31 Posted on 7.3.06 1201.42
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!!!

Sweet, Palumbo's finally back.
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#32 Posted on 7.3.06 1237.33
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Tenken347
      I think this may be the worst build to Wrestlemania I've ever seen.
    You know, they DO have almost a MONTH to build to WrestleMania, so perhaps your comment is a bit premature.

    Also, the buildup to X-8 caused a lot of people to bitch (slashwrestling.com), for instance - but you did say the worst YOU'D ever seen, so maybe you haven't been watching that many years...

    (edited by CRZ on 7.3.06 0941)


I've been watching for long enough that I think I have a valid opinion here. People may have complained about the build to X-8, but I thought it rolled along pretty good. Rock/Hogan and Flair/Undertaker were both reasons to watch every Monday. This year's got nothing for me. I rarely ever post something negative about RAW; I usually like the show just fine. But this last week just did nothing for me, and it's basically been declining every week I watch. I'm not saying that they can't or won't pick up the pace on the Wrestlemania build in the next month, but I can say that they've been rolling along for a month already and it just hasn't brought anything that makes the matches really seem important, except for the Rey angle. And of course, we've already debated how well they've handled that.
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#33 Posted on 7.3.06 1329.50
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Didn't the buildup to XV last essentially over a year? The Austin-McMahon feud that started because of Vince's fear that Austin would win the title at XIV and be the new face of the WWF, finally reaching a ragin' climax with Austin trying to regain the title Vince had screwed him out of from Vince's corporate champion, the Rock?

Meanwhile, everybody loves the build to X-Seven, but man, I thought it was terrible. I think people love it retroactively because the PPV had great matches, and "My Way or the Highway" didn't hurt, but all it was was two babyfaces who had mutual respect, kind of, heading toward the first repeated main event in Wrestlemania history.

That said, this Wrestlemania does feel like Survivor Series or something. I know there's a month left, but that's not enough time because a good Wrestlemania build has to last a lot longer. You could tell the most compelling story in Wrestlemania history in the next month and it still wouldn't feel like a real Wrestlemania. Part of the appeal, the biggest part, even, is "oh, man, this is a long time coming."
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#34 Posted on 7.3.06 1335.32
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This was the first RAW where I had WWE.com's Unlimited thingy playing while I watched...interesting gimmick they've got there. Todd Grisham's "Sign of the Night" bit is a pretty nice addition to the whole experience, I thought. Plus he rips on his own pretty well. :-)

Monday night's RAW was all about the graphics, both WWE and fan-made. I marked out HARD for the upcoming match slates w/ the old block logo and Linda McMahon's "Theme from WrestleMania" theme...and the OLD-SCHOOL 80's chyron font from WM I. Plus hearing NBC announcers once again cutting promos for SNME was a trip.

I laughed out loud for the "WE'VE CENA 'NUFF" sign, and in a display of genius, the one fan about 4 rows up, center screen, with the big "FUHFUWWD" symbol sign during the lame segments. Brilliant!

Thank God we GenX'ers are having our midlife crisis early, or Vince'd have no gimmick to fall back on. :-)
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#35 Posted on 7.3.06 1416.24
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Mick REALLY needs to hit the exercise bike in the next month. Other that the sweet chair shot by Edge, this show will completely be forgotten in 2 weeks. Seems like they are treading water by "kid of" hyping SNME before they go all out on the Mania push.
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#36 Posted on 7.3.06 1606.03
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The XV build was in it barest form built up for over a year, but if you look closer it was a fairly big anticlimax. The year's feud itself-Austin Vs. McMahon-wa essentially blown off at St. Valentine's Day Massacre, whilst the WWF Title played hot potato between The Rock and Mankind from December almost until WrestleMania itself. You could say that Austin winning the title was booked towards for a year, and that'd be true. But the route they took to get there was pretty convoluted and, dare I say it, nowhere near as good as the extended Rock/HHH feud of 2000. Rock was essentially Vince's monkey boy for XV, so he was always going to get whupped. Besides, the match was horribly overbooked and nowhere near as good as their later ones.

Plus, the undercard stank. 'Taker/Bossman was a crappy timefiller of a match as well as the first misuse of the Hell In A Cell gimmick. The Intercontinental and Hardcore title matches were rendered meaningless by the Outlaws' singles-rivalry switcheroo just two weeks before the show. HHH Vs. Kane was a bad, bad match, that ended with a DQ and served no purpose other than to set up Hunter's heel turn later in the evening. And they did the EXACT SAME THING with Mankind Vs. The Big Show, only Show turned face rather than heel after the match. The only remotely decent match/build combo was X-Pac Vs. Shane.

Contrast with this year. The build's not swell, but you're certainly going to get a stronger in-ring product than a good 50% of past WrestleManias. Benoit/JBL should be a strong bout, Money In The Bank will be booked to try and match last year's, and even Shawn/Vince, if done right, will be entertaining. You've got a tag title match that means something for the first time in three years, and whilst Cen/HHH is suspect there's very little chance that the SmackDown triple threat won't deliver the goods. The build may not be up to snuff compared to last year or XX, but as a whole package its a LOT stronger than previous efforts.
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#37 Posted on 7.3.06 2050.22
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    The Lovely Mrs. Tracker is bothered however by the posing design on the front of Masters's tights. Now, if we get a close look, we see the logo. But as we commonly see it from a distance on RAW, it looks like a high-school illustration of a uterus and ovaries. And by coincidence, they are in exactly the right place at exactly the right size. She can no longer take the man seriously. He's become a cross-gender reproductive Slim Goodbody.

    (image removed)


YES! I'm not the only one who sees Masters' tights and thinks, "uterus and ovaries"!

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#38 Posted on 8.3.06 1027.49
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Was the old block WWF logo shown clearly in the US? as over here in the UK it was shown clear as day. How is that not in breach of the agreement that they settled with the Panda saving brigade?
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#39 Posted on 8.3.06 1054.41
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    Originally posted by Rockstar24-7
    Was the old block WWF logo shown clearly in the US? as over here in the UK it was shown clear as day. How is that not in breach of the agreement that they settled with the Panda saving brigade?


I thought it was the scratch logo that had to be blurred.

Cena has been wearing the old block WWF logo on his arm bands for quite some time now and they haven't been blurred.
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#40 Posted on 8.3.06 1201.48
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I think Cena's logo is modified so it's the old blocky style but with no F. As far as i understand it was the changing it to the scratchy logo that caused panda problems, so now that can't be shown, but the old logo is fine. The only authority i have on this subject is derived from reading this same debate several times on The W already though.
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