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#1 Posted on 20.2.06 0218.46
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Ricky Williams is out for another year (msn.foxsports.com)

Did ANYBODY think it would end any other way?

(Yes, it says "reportedly," but come on, now!)
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#2 Posted on 20.2.06 0830.40
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Can the team come after his signing bonus if he's been suspended?

If not, then frankly this a great idea. Come back, wait for the positive drug test, wait for the suspension to end, repeat until cut.
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#3 Posted on 20.2.06 0903.06
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If Ricky could have stayed clean for another 2 months, Miami probably could have flipped him for a 3rd or 4th round pick to Arizona or some other team desperate for a running back. Surprised he was able to get through 1 season clean though.
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#4 Posted on 20.2.06 1006.45
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    Originally posted by the FOXSports.com article
    The sources could not confirm the substance. Williams tested positive for marijuana in each of the three previously failed tests.


Do we really want people kicked out of sports for smoking weed? Seems the worst I've heard about marijuana is that it's supposed to be a 'gateway' drug for the heavier stuff (which so far as we know, Ricky hasn't done).

It's also hard for me to figure out how this can be considered a "performance enhancer". Seems that ganja belongs with alcohol and pain killer abuse, while the suspensions should be for the cheating bastards using steroids, HGH, and substances of that ilk.
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#5 Posted on 20.2.06 1009.16
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Profootballtalk.com is reporting that Williams is out of the country, and may have extenuating circumstances for why he missed his test. Note, he hasn't failed a test in this case, he just didn't show up when he was supposed to.

EDIT - Apparently, he DID indeed fail a test. Oops.

(edited by Sec19Row53 on 20.2.06 1450)
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#6 Posted on 20.2.06 1059.07
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    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    Seems that ganja belongs with alcohol and pain killer abuse, while the suspensions should be for the cheating bastards using steroids, HGH, and substances of that ilk.


While I agree with you, the notable difference between alochol and marijuana is that alcohol isn't illegal.
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#7 Posted on 20.2.06 1127.03
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    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    Do we really want people kicked out of sports for smoking weed?


YES.
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#8 Posted on 20.2.06 1209.12
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WHY?

FLEA

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Cerebus: Have you ever seen people on drugs try to play football. When it's live and in your face, it's boring. You need an editor to take out the 5 million 'Hike!' calls and slow motion passes that aren't slow motion due to the tape speed.

Well, if Ricky Williams is turning an open corner like that and hauling ass down the sideline STONED..Jesus...sober, the guy would be a plane

As far as other sports and players, Jason Williams is a known pothead and he's not one I would consider "playing in slow motion". That ain't saying he's not sloppy - but that's not the drugs, that's because he's a clown. Same with RVD

...OK, the more I think about it, maybe I DO want pot induced football players. We'd get at least one QB asking for a pizza during huddle and another guy forgetting why he's there and probably walk off field during a play.

NOW you're cooking with (stereotypical) gas! THINK OF THE MARKETING PO$$IBILITIE$!

FLEA

(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 20.2.06 1912)
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#9 Posted on 20.2.06 1515.28
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    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    WHY?


While it may make for good television to see football players fucking up on the field because they're high, it won't be good for the fan in the stadium who payed good money to see the team WIN... not be fucked up.

Have you ever seen people on drugs try to play football. When it's live and in your face, it's boring. You need an editor to take out the 5 million 'Hike!' calls and slow motion passes that aren't slow motion due to the tape speed.

...OK, the more I think about it, maybe I DO want pot induced football players. We'd get at least one QB asking for a pizza during huddle and another guy forgetting why he's there and probably walk off field during a play.
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#10 Posted on 20.2.06 1815.59
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    OK, the more I think about it, maybe I DO want pot induced football players. We'd get at least one QB asking for a pizza during huddle and another guy forgetting why he's there and probably walk off field during a play.


Maybe Ricky can re-inact the scene from "M.A.S.H." where the star RB for the rival unit to the 4077th was injected with a drug during a pig-pile on him during the game, and when the halftime gun sounded the RB took off in full sprint into the cheerleaders.
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#11 Posted on 20.2.06 1818.43
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Yes, because if you use marijuana at any point in a 30 day period where it can show up on a standard test, you are definitely ALWAYS high.

This is like saying if you had a drink three weeks ago, that you are driving drunk today.

I'm not saying that I want pot allowed for NFL players. It is illegal and shouldn't be condoned. Your story was still lame though.
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#12 Posted on 20.2.06 2205.43
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
      Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
      WHY?


    While it may make for good television to see football players fucking up on the field because they're high, it won't be good for the fan in the stadium who payed good money to see the team WIN... not be fucked up.

    Have you ever seen people on drugs try to play football. When it's live and in your face, it's boring. You need an editor to take out the 5 million 'Hike!' calls and slow motion passes that aren't slow motion due to the tape speed.

    ...OK, the more I think about it, maybe I DO want pot induced football players. We'd get at least one QB asking for a pizza during huddle and another guy forgetting why he's there and probably walk off field during a play.


Holy shit...just because the man failed a drug test doesn't mean he played a game stoned. Jesus, where did THAT jump in logic come from? It's one of the silliest things I've read on this board in a while.

EDIT: Also, while I am a memeber of NORML and am generally against marijuana legislation, I understand the NFL's policy. The league has had SERIOUS drug problems in the past, and it's a private league, they can do what they want.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 20.2.06 2307)
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#13 Posted on 21.2.06 0744.38
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For the record, and I'm sure as hell not defending what happened, but Ricky through his publicist Dan LeBetard had stated repeatedly that any pot-smoking that took place during the season occurred after games/practices since it helped not use Paxil as well as the aches in his knees and denied ever showing up on a field while stoned. Which, of course, is taking him at his word, but barring any better information that's all there is to go on.

As far as it stands for the Dolphins, it means that suddenly they now need Ronnie Brown Insurance that they didn't think they'd need 48 hours ago and that any trade they've been working on in the last few weeks is back to square one. And unless there's a reality show in the works with Ricky, Todd Marinovich, Chris Henry and R. Jay Soward, I don't know what happens next, since I can't see any team giving him another shot after he's now gotten his 4th strike.


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#14 Posted on 21.2.06 1202.59
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Just to fill you in, all you need to pass a drug test after smoking why my friends like to call "stupid crazy amounts of weed" are a few Red Bull energy drinks, or more importantly, the niacin inside. Niacin has a weird way of flushing your system out, so long as you keep pumping enough water through your system. It's a fundament of a few diets I've seen, as well. The media doesn't know much about that, so of course Ricky's been clean since coming back to the league. That or he got his head out of his ass and started hiding the fact he likes and partakes in the use and trade of a black market substance.

Woah, guess not Ricky. Remember, if it's illegal, don't tell everybody about it. Telling everybody you're crazy doesn't help.

(edited by Lexus on 21.2.06 1305)
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#15 Posted on 21.2.06 1243.11
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According to the AP via SI.com, Ricky failed for something other than marijuana and he will be appealing the case.

    Originally posted by Lexus
    The media doesn't know much about that


Perhaps, but according to this (from the Miami Herald via SI.com):


    The NFL has a list of nearly a dozen so-called supplements that are banned. Even too much water in a urine sample can trigger a positive test result because it can be deemed a masking agent for drugs.


I don't know if they've caught onto the redbull trick you mention, but it sounds like they are onto something.

This is going to be interesting to follow.

(edited by EddieBurkett on 21.2.06 1346)
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#16 Posted on 21.2.06 1433.39
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    Originally posted by Lexus
    Niacin has a weird way of flushing your system out, so long as you keep pumping enough water through your system. It's a fundament of a few diets I've seen, as well. The media doesn't know much about that...


That was a plot point in an old episode of CSI. Greg was still a lab tech and talked about how he'd have to "check the specific gravity of the urine." Meaning, someone had already thought about this, included it in a screenplay, and got it to TV.
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#17 Posted on 21.2.06 1507.14
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    Originally posted by EddieBurkett


      Originally posted by Lexus
      The media doesn't know much about that


    Perhaps, but according to this (from the Miami Herald via SI.com):


      The NFL has a list of nearly a dozen so-called supplements that are banned. Even too much water in a urine sample can trigger a positive test result because it can be deemed a masking agent for drugs.


    I don't know if they've caught onto the redbull trick you mention, but it sounds like they are onto something.

    This is going to be interesting to follow.

    (edited by EddieBurkett on 21.2.06 1346)


Didn't Charles Rogers get nailed for that before the draft? I think at the combine, they accused him of masking by drinking too much water, and that went down as an offense under the program.
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